Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

Seems like The Cusp is having a pretty good time of it. Wonder if anyone'd attack me. I know that when i am lucid i am master of my dreamscape, but then again, lately i haven't been lucid very much.
If someone's up for a try - then i'll be asleep by 23:00 GMT

So it isn't just me who's had trouble sleeping since posting in this thread? That's an interesting thing...

Originally Posted by delpiero

hahaha for real Cusp?

Since you did a challenge on these forums your having troubles in your dreams?

Yep. And again last night. This guy last night actually complimented one of my evasive maneuvers.
I find it more fun than trouble.

Lex, I really didn't expect that story about you and Sanz to sound so beleivable.

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

What people should keep in mind too is we only use a small part of our brain. We still do not know what the other parts are capable of.

This is a popular myth, but PET scans and MRIs demonstrate clearly that this is not the case. See this article.

Originally Posted by Lex16

I was very sceptic, sorry Sanz but I was

NP Sis ^_^ How do you think I felt? \o/

Originally Posted by Lex16

Just about the next night he found me again. Still I was unsure...until he called Sanz the Rude One, a pet name ha has for her. I sorta realised the magnitude of this then.
Turned out in the end he and his partner, his sister, had been looking for new recruits and had found Sanz, she'll have to tell you that story.

Ok, that story

So it happened just about when I was getting into lucid dreaming... I was about 6 months down the road with the whole thing and had really only had a few Lucid dreams before it happened. But I did recognise one of the DCs in my dream as someone who was helping me, and At this particular time I hadn't seen him in a while. I didn't know his name.

Jump back to a few years before, when I was 16, I had gotten into the idea of possibly writing a fictional book based on Lucid Dreamers who could walk into people's dreams. They were known as Dream Walkers. I never got round to writing the book, but I established some of the characters. One of the main Characters was a guy named M(for the purposes of not exposing him cos he's actually not a bad guy ) This given, I decided that I was going to name my helpful DC 'M', after the character in my book.

I decided the next time I go Lucid I was going to try and find M in one of the most familiar ways of summoning DCs to you, calling his name.

One night I finally did it and went Lucid and remembered my goal of speaking with M. So I started calling. I walked into a lounge-type area and walked past several groups of people, but not finding my DC. Eventually towards the end of the room I noticed someone that stood out more than the other people, so I looked at him. He still wasn't my DC, so I walked past and continued calling. Then the guy I'd just noticed pipes up 'Don't you know it's rude to call someone and then ignore them flat!' (hence 'The Rude One' :p) I turn around and look at him again... He actually matched the description of the character for my book a few years earlier! His sister then entered my dream, and I knew her name too (even though I had never thought of her before) and I was made aware of the fact that they were DWs. I learned that they had been watching me for quite some time, which is why they came to me immediately whereas they took a while to respond to Lex.

I'll be honest, I also thought we were maybe both just a little crazy and we were rubbing off on each other until about a year ago we found another person in America that had had run-ins with the various factions. That freaked me out! What was even wierder was when I ran into one in real life that had saved me one night when NSs attacked me. He knew my DC name even though we'd never met in real life... So yeah *shrug* Se la vi as the saying goes

ok, I'm sure it might not be impossible for someone to dreamwalk, but I mean come on! The leader of the night stalkers is a witch? they're all in factions? They spend all their time trying to hunt people down and what's the point in doing that? and then they try to find the hunters because I'm sure it's possible that they know who's trying to hunt them. And how do they ban you from dreaming? is there like a plug in your subconcious that they pull making it impossible for you to dream? (that wasn't a serious question by the way) And you keep saying how they could kill you in real life through your dreams because they like fry your brain or something, but your dreams are in your subconcious, it's just part of your imagination, so they can't physically hurt you. maybe in your dream they can but they can't kill you in the dream and make you die in real life, because they didn't touch your actual brain, they were just in your imagination. And all this sounds like it would be in a fiction book or it would be something that little kids would make up as a fantasy game. And has anyone who's dreamwalked actually met that person in real life? cause it could just be a DC that keeps showing up in your dreams. I'm not trying to be rude about anything here, but it seems highly unlikely. But, I've never actually experienced it, and you have no way of proving that it's not true, but then again you have no way of proving that it is true

Originally Posted by a_pirates_life_for_me

ok, I'm sure it might not be impossible for someone to dreamwalk, but I mean come on! The leader of the night stalkers is a witch?

No, she's not. Lex just called her that cos she doesn't like her ^_^ LOL!

As stated before, we aint here to convince anyone. It's up to you if you want ot beleive it or not.

Originally Posted by Sanzora

No, she's not. Lex just called her that cos she doesn't like her ^_^ LOL!

As stated before, we aint here to convince anyone. It's up to you if you want ot beleive it or not.

BTW what is the deal with the old lady? Why does she attack people? Does she appear different based on what a person is into?

Oh P.S. I had something happen last night. I entered a building with a lot of people. This place seemed real because no matter how in control I was I couldn't control the other people within the dream. Plus events kept happening to try and keep me away from my Goal again.

That was apparently someone had been held hostage. The buliding itself kept growing as if some sort of hideout. There were people in there trying to stop me, but no matter what their attempt I kept going forward. What made me think though is I was thinking about The Cusp right when I went to bed and again remember I told you if I do anything it would be to protect a person. For some reason I had to save this person no matter what.

I don't remember any names being mentioned, but I do know these dream characters seemed more alive then anything else. I'll see if anything else happens but who knows The Cusp I could be coming to rescue you without realizing it.

Don't go out of your way, AHiddenSaint, I can handle myself, plus I have been begging for it.

And I know how the secret to winning a dream fight.

Interesting how lex mentioned they were trying to recruit Sanz. I've been interrogated 3 times in my dreams since I first posted in this thread. The twisted violence in my dreams isn't so unusual (But never this consistent). It's the interrogations that intrest me. I may have self incubated those violent dreams, but in no way was I expecting to be interrogated.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Don't go out of your way, AHiddenSaint, I can handle myself, plus I have been begging for it.

And I know how the secret to winning a dream fight.

Interesting how lex mentioned they were trying to recruit Sanz. I've been interrogated 3 times in my dreams since I first posted in this thread. The twisted violence in my dreams isn't so unusual (But never this consistent). It's the interrogations that intrest me. I may have self incubated those violent dreams, but in no way was I expecting to be interrogated.

Not going out of my way. I just for some reason when I dream feel I have to be the hero. It's my job to save people. Btw do dreamwalkers become Angelic like in nature?

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Interesting how lex mentioned they were trying to recruit Sanz.

Don't get us wrong, I'm haven't been recruited. They were just scouting at the time and thats why they were watching me. But to my knowledge I might be on some waiting list of sorts :p They want me to past tests and stuff, and until I regain my lucidity, never gonna happen

BTW, what do they interrogate you on? (Just curious ^_^)

Originally Posted by AHiddenSaint

Btw do dreamwalkers become Angelic like in nature?

Ummm... Tough question, not sure how to answer that. It depends on the person... They're all human after all - people like you and me. They could be something like Guardians maybe, but not sure about angelic If you explain how you mean the question maybe I can answer better.

It seems that my request was answered by a Night Stalker, but I will leave it up to you to decide:

I am in the forest with my friend and we are running away from a beast – a bear. It is wintertime and we are cold. (Reference to the movie with Hopkins and Baldwin). For some reason, my friend is in a red plastic suit - that of Iron Man. His body is stuck in the ice with only his head floating in a pool of shallow water. If he relaxes, his helmet will sink and thus he will drown. The only opening in his helmet is a short horizontal slit situated where his mouth should be.

I wake up to find him struggling with keeping his head above the water and quickly help him by holding his helmet up. His mouth seems weird to me – it is as if his mouth is filled by a bleached-yellow ball, indeed it seems as though the sphere is a natural part of him. I realize that he must’ve struggled all night and didn’t get to sleep. He might be a bit angry at me.

Now I am reminded of the beast and looking around our position, I see 2 smaller fire places quite near us – I quickly run to them and find that the small bag of fried potatoes there is still warm. I shout with all my strength,”HEI!” and soon I am answered by a small group of children running from the forest. Accompaning them are blck government rescue vehicles and a chopper.

I am elated, since I think we have been rescued, but then i see it – a black figure in the distance moving towards the camp where my friend is. The monster walks as if he has a limp, or maybe even a crutch, but it is a monster with the body of a man and from the neck up it has the „head” of a black serpent about 1m long.

Frantically I run to help my friend, but only get there by the next morning. On the road covered with snow I see some woman’s bloody cut off breasts and further on the severed head of my friend lying in the snow. In my head a picture flashes – the monster feasting on my friend. He is eating him behind a table and the different parts are placed on trays of gleaming gold and silver.

I hear a voice in my head, but also in my ear (this was the „realest” voice i’ve heard in dreams except mine. I could actually hear it like I was awake. I do not remember this happening before, since before, the sounds in my dreams have been mostly telepathic). It is a male voice with a touch of female in it too and it grates softly, like flowing sand, but in that voice I can feel the most horrible realization – he took enormous pleasure from killing my friend and he is intelligent. Never before in my dreams have monsters been anything but beasts, but behind that voice I could sense the sick malevolent mind of a human.

I sense his presence behind me and turn around to face it. At this point I start waking up and realizing that this is a dream, i try blasting it with telekinetic force, but it is too late – I am already awake.

Why I think it was a NS and not a usual DC:

1) Monsters have never been "intelligent" in my dreams and have never talked to me.
2) I could sense that he was different from my DCs. Especially his voice - it was way too malevolent to be my creation. When it talked to me, I could sense a hidden threat and amusement in his words ( sadly, i don't recall the words themselves, since after waking up i concentrated on remembering the meaning behind them). It was a challenge of sorts - to see if i was actually worthy of its time.
3) Time distortion - c'mon, it was like 100m away and i arrived there the next day? Don't think so.
4) sick, twisted sense of humor - he ate Anthony Hopkins. he ate Hannibal, ffs!

O.O Yep, sounds like a NS to me... The fact that you could sense them as a person already says a lot. That's one of my key checks to see if my dream is being invaded or not... you can sense the other person and very often what their intentions are (basic good/bad) The fact that you heard them in a different way certainly adds to that. Watch your step friend. And shield yourself when you sleep. They might try again if you say they issued a challenge...

Originally Posted by Sanzora

O.O Yep, sounds like a NS to me... The fact that you could sense them as a person already says a lot. That's one of my key checks to see if my dream is being invaded or not... you can sense the other person and very often what their intentions are (basic good/bad) The fact that you heard them in a different way certainly adds to that. Watch your step friend. And shield yourself when you sleep. They might try again if you say they issued a challenge...

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself. For the last year I have stood up to and faced all fears and monsters that have presented themselves to me in dreams and this Stalker is not much different.
I accept his challenge.

Originally Posted by Sanzora

Ummm... Tough question, not sure how to answer that. It depends on the person... They're all human after all - people like you and me. They could be something like Guardians maybe, but not sure about angelic If you explain how you mean the question maybe I can answer better.

Going back to sleep, but had a download running. Basically In my early teens I had a lot of strange stuff happening to me nothing physical, but mostly dream like. I don't know if you could say I was recruited for anything, but I used to go to my own version of what heaven might look like. There were a lot of others there who accepted me and welcomed me.

It was during this time too I faught a lot with what I thought of as demons. Keep in mind I was going through a spiritual awakening as well so I do not know if that played a part in what showed up in my dream as a angelic like group. I sort of developed a God complex as well during that time period, but trust me I'm over that part.

To me if it was NightStalkers I was fighting all I really saw were demons. These demons did have personalilities all to themself as if it wasn't just my dream realm making them up. I was even held capative in some of the dreams and might even say seduced. I have always still felt Angelic like myself before the God like dreams started. Could my own beliefs played part in how I might have been part of it?

Originally Posted by Sanzora

BTW, what do they interrogate you on? (Just curious ^_^)

I really wish I could remember, but recalling conversations from dreams has always been a weak spot for me. Even names of things in dreams are hard for me to remember. But I'm bad with names in RL as well.

One of the guys interrogating me told me the name of his orginization, then said "You've no doubt heard of us." I told him I hadn't. Actually, I don't think I told them anything at all. I'm not a big talker, my user name means "Action is required for further growth".

And speaking of names, I may have read that wrong, but Sanzora mentioned her dream self had a name. You have a different name in your dreams?

but they cant harm you (just dream pain)
...
so its like a little game, fighting and stuff?
sounds awesome
(anyone can send me a tutorial to dreamwalk?)

Originally Posted by Drk Pwnr

So it isn't just me who's had trouble sleeping since posting in this thread? That's an interesting thing...

I sleep fine My dreams seem about normal too me. Of course I'm not challenging anything like others are and respect whatever is out there.

Bring em on!

Originally Posted by Bad Wolf

I wonder what would happen if either a dream walker and a night stalker or two night stalkers who hate each other meet up in your dream.

Will some popcorn to materialize, sit back and watch the fireworks

But seriously, although I'm a total newbie to the whole LD thing, I would have to say I'm skeptical on this one.

A few problems I have:

How exactly would a 'Night Stalker' be able to access your dream by using the limited information provided on an internet forum? I mean, seriously, I'm sure they would at least need to know your name.

Why the heck would they want to? There is absolutely nothing to be gained by them - they would simply be setting themselves up for defeat by entering someone else's dream. Surely people have better things to do with their time.

By what means would they 'access your dream'? My understanding of a dream was that it was all made up by your subconscious and therefore was all just in your head.

Finally, I have read on this website time and time again that what you expect to happen in a dream is what will happen. If you spend the time before you go to sleep issuing challenges to a 'sleep gang' (whether they exist or otherwise), you genuinely think they will attack you, and you spend the time before closing your eyes 'gearing up for battle,' then chances are you will end up having a dream in which you are struggling with them.


Like I said, I'm new to LD'ing, but something about this just doesn't add up.

Originally Posted by nzguy

Will some popcorn to materialize, sit back and watch the fireworks

But seriously, although I'm a total newbie to the whole LD thing, I would have to say I'm skeptical on this one.

A few problems I have:

How exactly would a 'Night Stalker' be able to access your dream by using the limited information provided on an internet forum? I mean, seriously, I'm sure they would at least need to know your name.

Why the heck would they want to? There is absolutely nothing to be gained by them - they would simply be setting themselves up for defeat by entering someone else's dream. Surely people have better things to do with their time.

By what means would they 'access your dream'? My understanding of a dream was that it was all made up by your subconscious and therefore was all just in your head.

Finally, I have read on this website time and time again that what you expect to happen in a dream is what will happen. If you spend the time before you go to sleep issuing challenges to a 'sleep gang' (whether they exist or otherwise), you genuinely think they will attack you, and you spend the time before closing your eyes 'gearing up for battle,' then chances are you will end up having a dream in which you are struggling with them.


Like I said, I'm new to LD'ing, but something about this just doesn't add up.

Yup your beliefs creat your experience, In dreams or in life.
If somebody could come into my dream, and try and cause me harm.
I would just stand there, and let them do anything they want to me. They wouldn't be able to do anything! I would just laugh at them.

Hah, quite an interesting thread we have here. I must say it does sound like a very cool concept and I'll be sure to explore it myself, though I am of course a little skeptical- as others have said it does sound a lot like an rpg of some nature =P

If this world does in fact exist, with so many dream walkers involved- why is it that such little to no information can be found regarding it. Is it not possible that you have failed to realise that this alternate reality exists solely in your own mind.

At the same time I'll keep an open mind about it, I am in fact very interested in dreamwalking so this has very much intrigued me. So cheers to the thread-starter.

The thing is - what if you are wrong, Caradon and nzguy ? What if people can enter other people's dreams? If they could, then who would wield more power - the dreamer? Aren't they both dreaming, then? We don't know whether dreams have a "universal matrix" to which they connect to, in essence connecting every dreamer in the world/universe, or are they only in your head? Are they in your head or are all dreams of all dreamers in the same "place", just at different wavelengths?

I've been sleeping very deeply. Too deeply, matter of fact, since for the last 3-4 days i've woken up 6 hours after going to sleep, which is a bummer, since it inhibits recall.
This morning i wasn't visited by a NS, but rather had a possible DW/Dream guide experience:

I was with my bro in my parents' bedroom and it was pretty early in the morning, 'bout 6:24, i think. With us there was a man, a storyteller, who was telling me and my bro a story of how contemporary writers use ambiguous and innocent-looking titles to hide the knowledge of astral travel (i think it was astral travel, but can't be sure. It had something to do with altered states of consciousness). He brought us an example, where a book's title had been The Visiting ( The Visit, or smth the like).
Now he proceeded to tell us about a 10-day "training program" that would let us learn this state and my brother lay on the bed, face first, ready to receive the teachings. The storyteller proceeded to speak that the first step was proper digestion. I on the other hand was much more concerned with going to school. I jumped out onto the balcony for a quick breath of the damp cool early-morning air.
Now I am lying on my bed, face first, and as my awareness passes over my brow chakra, i decide to give it a little spin (clockwise, or counterclockwise to an external observer). Immediately, the energy centre bursts aflame - my stimulation causes the the third eye to burn with energy and i remember thinking that maybe finally my brow chakra was going to strobe. The more I used tactile imaging to imagine a clockwise movement of the energy vortex, the more it started burning. It was actually quite painful and i thought that i should go and ask the storyteller for his advice whether to continue the stimulation or leave it be.

Why I think it wasn't just an ordinary DC:
1) During the dream, i noticed that he was different, but didn't pay any attention to it. After waking up i noticed that i had noticed and i could recall that all the time i was doing my stuff and was in the presence of the storyteller - he was always observing me. It wasn't seen, per se, but felt. After waking up, I could recall the feeling of him observing me all that time.
2) This goes together with the observing, since if he wanted to observe how lucid or whatever i was, that was probably what he was trying to do with his story about the book. It was vague enough to maybe catch the attention of my "sleeping" mind, but not direct enough to make me lucid. Thus I infer that if it indeed was a DW, he wanted to see how i acted when i was non-lucid.


This second "visitation" left me with some further questions as to when they can enter dreams. Both today's and yesterday's experience took place somewhere between 7-9 in the morning. This leads me to the questions - do they come in the morning, because then rem sleep is longer?
Because I sleep lighter, thus more easily get lucid?
Or maybe because they can only enter dreams, when the dreamer is sleeping light?
Could there be a "location" difference between deep sleep and light sleep.
Or maybe when you are sleeping lightly, your beacon, your energy signature ( that can be traced by your online user name - answer to a question someone posed above) is broadcasting at a stronger level or maybe during deep sleep it isn't broadcasting at all?
Maybe the DMT tripps of deep sleep make it impossible for the DW's and NS's to enter dreams?

Jeeze i tell ya what fella's this has been a excellent read for the last 30 minutes, and i think most of you's have convinced me that there are NW and DS out there, cant say i have experienced them to much.

But i am pretty sure in some dreams i have felt them.
Btw dunno if Lex is just crazy

.......................................or maybe a true dedicated Hunter

well anyways i'll keep reading and hopfully i can experience somthing tonight.