Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

EXACTLY Spockman!
and maybe is also the key word. Just because you believe your vision is Sepia monotone doesn't mean you're going to perceive everything in Sepia. And it definitely DOES NOT mean everything IS Sepia. What happens if someone truly believes everything is black and white monotone? ah? ah!

Originally Posted by tommo

EXACTLY Spockman!
and maybe is also the key word. Just because you believe your vision is Sepia monotone doesn't mean you're going to perceive everything in Sepia. And it definitely DOES NOT mean everything IS Sepia. What happens if someone truly believes everything is black and white monotone? ah? ah!

yeah, i had a history teacher who thought his house was gray, until one day he took a taxi home and told the cab driver to pull up to the gray house, and the cab driver told him the house he was talking about was actually blue. it turned out that's how my former history teacher found out he was color blind and couldn't see blues and certain other colors. the point is, he believed for years that his house was gray and he had no reason to believe otherwise, yet it didn't magically turn gray just because he believed.

Excellent point.
Same happened to my Opa he had a green car and his dad argued for years for him to get rid of that horrible thing. After it died or whatever and he sold it his dad mentioned that 'you finally got rid of that horrible yellow car'. He was probably in his 50's or older by then, irrelevant fact but it's odd how many people don't even notice lol.

Originally Posted by tommo

Excellent point.
Same happened to my Opa he had a green car and his dad argued for years for him to get rid of that horrible thing. After it died or whatever and he sold it his dad mentioned that 'you finally got rid of that horrible yellow car'. He was probably in his 50's or older by then, irrelevant fact but it's odd how many people don't even notice lol.

wow 50. i bet a lot people find out about their color blindness later in life, but 50 is pretty late lol.

i guess now the "just believe, and it will be true" myth (if you can call it that) is now busted lol.

Seems like this thread ended the same way as every other of his kind. The discussion about a special topic became a discussion about whats possible and what what not.

Help me a little what was the Beyond Dreaming section made for?

And for all those who think everything has to be logic: Tell me logically how lucid dreaming works, I'm really interessted in your ideas ^^

And for all those who think everything has to be logic: Tell me logically how lucid dreaming works, I'm really interessted in your ideas ^^

Neuroscientist J. Allan Hobson has hypothesized as to what might be occurring in the brain while lucid. The first step to lucid dreaming is recognizing that one is dreaming. This recognition might occur in the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, which is one of the few areas deactivated during REM sleep and where working memory occurs. Once this area is activated and the recognition of dreaming occurs, the dreamer must be cautious to let the dream delusions continue but be conscious enough to recognize them. This process might be seen as the balance between reason and emotion. While maintaining this balance, the amygdala and parahippocampal cortex might be less intensely activated.[9] To continue the intensity of the dream hallucinations, it is expected the pons and the parieto-occipital junction stay active.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_d...ntific_history

Originally Posted by ShadowmanX

Seems like this thread ended the same way as every other of his kind. The discussion about a special topic became a discussion about whats possible and what what not.

Help me a little what was the Beyond Dreaming section made for?

And for all those who think everything has to be logic: Tell me logically how lucid dreaming works, I'm really interessted in your ideas ^^

well, i bet this thread is far from over lol, so you can't say it ended the same way as others of its kind. for all we know this is only half of the whole discussion lol.

i don't really understand your question. lucid dreaming works when you notice you're dreaming, and while you're dreaming your brain releases special chemicals to make you hallucinate (sorry i don't recall the names of all the chemicals lol), and parts of your brain are shut off so you believe in "dream logic". while you're lucid you basically turn on certain parts of your brain that would otherwise be off.

Well I think to become lucid there have to be several parts of the brain active, not when you become lucid they get active. I guess you would never ever be able to get lucid, because the part that would tell you "do a Reality Check" is inactive and therefor can't make you doing this.

As for the hallucinations. Don't you have to be able to use your senses to hallucinate? Well you have your dream senses, but those aren't real senses, they are just imagined senses. I guess that theory is busted ^^

Originally Posted by ShadowmanX

Well I think to become lucid there have to be several parts of the brain active, not when you become lucid they get active. I guess you would never ever be able to get lucid, because the part that would tell you "do a Reality Check" is inactive and therefor can't make you doing this.

Wat the fuck are you talking about?

Originally Posted by ShadowmanX

As for the hallucinations. Don't you have to be able to use your senses to hallucinate? Well you have your dream senses, but those aren't real senses, they are just imagined senses. I guess that theory is busted ^^

Hallucinating is not real senses lol that's why its called hallucinating.
Also it's not a theory if there's no proof whatsoever there needs to be some sort of credible scientific evidence to back it up, historical or trials.

Forgottendream certain scientists, can't remember names right now, one a
neuro bla bla something said it is DMT that makes you dream. But of course other things like serotonin would rush into your brain too.

Originally Posted by tommo

Hallucinating is not real senses lol that's why its called hallucinating.
Also it's not a theory if there's no proof whatsoever there needs to be some sort of credible scientific evidence to back it up, historical or trials.

Forgottendream certain scientists, can't remember names right now, one a
neuro bla bla something said it is DMT that makes you dream. But of course other things like serotonin would rush into your brain too.

yeah those are some of the chemicals at work to create the visuals and other hallucinations, especially DMT. DMT is also responsible for the near death experience when under enormous stress the brain pumps massive amounts of DMT. this happened to me once out of nowhere while i was in a car with my friends and everything was in super slow-motion, easily one of the coolest things i've experienced.
i laughed out loud when i read "don't you have to be able to use your senses to hallucinate?" obviously hallucinations (visual, auditory, taste, smell, etc.) happen with the absence of external stimuli, meaning you don't actually use your real senses but it's just as real

I'm too lazy to read 32 pages of posts, but all I want to say is that night stalkers and dream walkers are BS. No one can enter your mind or conscience without you letting them. It's just not possible. In other realms you can bump into malevolent entities, but not in your own conscience. Anyone claiming that this stuff is true is just a victim of the placebo effect.

Originally Posted by ForgottenDream

yeah those are some of the chemicals at work to create the visuals and other hallucinations, especially DMT. DMT is also responsible for the near death experience when under enormous stress the brain pumps massive amounts of DMT. this happened to me once out of nowhere while i was in a car with my friends and everything was in super slow-motion, easily one of the coolest things i've experienced.
i laughed out loud when i read "don't you have to be able to use your senses to hallucinate?" obviously hallucinations (visual, auditory, taste, smell, etc.) happen with the absence of external stimuli, meaning you don't actually use your real senses but it's just as real

Hey that's pretty cool. Any other things happen to you besides slowing down? Like other hallucinations? Colours more vivid etc.

I've had slowing down before but I reckon at least 20 times I've experienced everything being really fast. It's so weird coz' I could comprehend how something could slow down because your brain had the memories and can relay them at a slower rate or whatever. So it confused me how everything could speed up.
Then I realised that my vision was just more sensitive. Alan Watts mentioned it in one of his speeches I listened to a while after the last time this happened to me and he says 'in certain types of paranoia everything appears to be just a machine'. This is exactly how I would describe it now. But I think it's only because like even the slightest movement I could see, so it kind of looked like machines moving because they can't move very fluidly, kind of jittery. Really very cool.
Sorry kind of off-topic there.

Originally Posted by erik212

I'm too lazy to read 32 pages of posts, but all I want to say is that night stalkers and dream walkers are BS. No one can enter your mind or conscience without you letting them. It's just not possible. In other realms you can bump into malevolent entities, but not in your own conscience. Anyone claiming that this stuff is true is just a victim of the placebo effect.

ROFLMAO. I thought you were going to say unless you let them, like tell someone what you're thinking at a certain time or something. So they can be in the same sort of moment. How can you deny NS/DW without any doubt whatsoever and then say you can go into other realms to meet people? Is there a gateway in your closet too? (Sabrina reference) lol

I don't think you understand the difference between a dream and out of body travel. No outside being can ever directly influence your dreams. A dream takes place within your conscience, while when traveling out of body, you are in a different demension. There, you can interact with other consciences from other people. However, normal humans can't really pose any threat. It's the other entities that roam the astral planes that cause trouble. No one can enter or take over your conscience. Your conscience can interact with other beings though.

Originally Posted by tommo

Hey that's pretty cool. Any other things happen to you besides slowing down? Like other hallucinations? Colours more vivid etc.

I've had slowing down before but I reckon at least 20 times I've experienced everything being really fast. It's so weird coz' I could comprehend how something could slow down because your brain had the memories and can relay them at a slower rate or whatever. So it confused me how everything could speed up.
Then I realised that my vision was just more sensitive. Alan Watts mentioned it in one of his speeches I listened to a while after the last time this happened to me and he says 'in certain types of paranoia everything appears to be just a machine'. This is exactly how I would describe it now. But I think it's only because like even the slightest movement I could see, so it kind of looked like machines moving because they can't move very fluidly, kind of jittery. Really very cool.
Sorry kind of off-topic there.

sadly slowing down was the only thing that happened, but it was really, really cool. i'm surprised i acted casual, i didn't even tell my friends what happened. i just kept it to myself, i think mostly because i was afraid no one would believe me anyway so i didn't see the point in telling them. it felt like 30 seconds, but it was super slow as i mentioned so it could have been 5 seconds lol, there's just no way to tell.

your experience seemed pretty awesome too, i like the feeling of slowing down so i can't tell what speeding up is like lol, but i imagine it was intense.

lol yeh I didn't tell anyone either.
It is pretty intense but not too overwhelming, just like woah this is weird lol
Not sure if I mentioned this but it's strange though because I get anxiety attacks and whatnot and still when this happened no panic at all. Anyway cheers to us!

Hi. Interesting subject. I'm new here, and still trying to gain full lucidity after a good few months.

But I can assure you there are beings, human or otherwize, that can manipulate your dreams. I didn't believe it was possible until I had a few encounters non-lucidly that showed me it was possible . They can be trained in energy work. Or from hidden mystery schools/meta studies
I can also say that there are beings Working behind the scenes to guide you to safety and personal growth for both parties involved in conflicting and difficult occult/psychic dream situations. The more advanced ones will help you if your not fully equipped with dealing with more powerful forces, (DW?)especially if you get yourself unintentionally into a piddle, like I did,and haven't got the knowledge on what to do. I have had many shared dream experiences and psychic attacks ranging from full on mental pain by invisible beings(? NS) to astral attacks while sleeping, and malevolent thoughtforms, disguised, in order for you to approach it to attack you. I was a bit skeptical at first, thinking it was a aspect of myself, but the more things happened, the more I realized it wasn't me that was inventing these scenario's at all, and i got seriously disturbed and virtually went insane for a time(crying before bedtime, praying, not wanting to sleep,) I hadn't a clue what to do, because I thought it was all my own mind creating it. The dream walkers(beings) that are mentioned, I have encountered are ok and some prefer to stay invisible and anonymous, they only tell you what you need to know. prefering to ask you questions. They can even force an outcome, telling you of what will happen later. Them guys are Hot. Especially to people like me who don't enjoy fighting. or go looking for one.

ok, that's all I can think of for now except thanks for the topic, it certainly will play with your mind for a while, but if you suddenly wake up with any doubt at all that you wouldn't try and hurt yourself, and a gut feeling somethin' aint right, you just got nightstalked

Originally Posted by ashberry

Hi. Interesting subject. I'm new here, and still trying to gain full lucidity after a good few months.

But I can assure you there are beings, human or otherwize, that can manipulate your dreams. I didn't believe it was possible until I had a few encounters non-lucidly that showed me it was possible . They can be trained in energy work. Or from hidden mystery schools/meta studies
I can also say that there are beings Working behind the scenes to guide you to safety and personal growth for both parties involved in conflicting and difficult occult/psychic dream situations. The more advanced ones will help you if your not fully equipped with dealing with more powerful forces, (DW?)especially if you get yourself unintentionally into a piddle, like I did,and haven't got the knowledge on what to do. I have had many shared dream experiences and psychic attacks ranging from full on mental pain by invisible beings(? NS) to astral attacks while sleeping, and malevolent thoughtforms, disguised, in order for you to approach it to attack you. I was a bit skeptical at first, thinking it was a aspect of myself, but the more things happened, the more I realized it wasn't me that was inventing these scenario's at all, and i got seriously disturbed and virtually went insane for a time(crying before bedtime, praying, not wanting to sleep,) I hadn't a clue what to do, because I thought it was all my own mind creating it. The dream walkers(beings) that are mentioned, I have encountered are ok and some prefer to stay invisible and anonymous, they only tell you what you need to know. prefering to ask you questions. They can even force an outcome, telling you of what will happen later. Them guys are Hot. Especially to people like me who don't enjoy fighting. or go looking for one.

ok, that's all I can think of for now except thanks for the topic, it certainly will play with your mind for a while, but if you suddenly wake up with any doubt at all that you wouldn't try and hurt yourself, and a gut feeling somethin' aint right, you just got nightstalked

are you positive that what you've experienced wasn't just simple sleep paralysis? did you wake up and see a figure stare at you or something, and you couldn't move? your descriptions are very vague, and you reached some far fetched conclusions. how do you know that they train for this? what is so important about terrorizing people while they're sleeping that makes them take these extreme measures just to do it (to strangers no less). also why don't these "good guys" take care of the problem at it's source? they can surely attack the "NS" directly, as oppose to helping the "victims".

Originally Posted by ForgottenDream

are you positive that what you've experienced wasn't just simple sleep paralysis?
It was similar to sleep paralysis, but the person squashing me was someone I knew, I actually turned round as I was waking up to find his spirit on top of me as he was trying to squash me. Incidently, he had already stated what was going to happen on another forum, that afternoon, that we were both active on, but, I had not read it until I woke up because I was in bed asleep when he posted it. It was intentional, and pre-planned...and occured exactly as the thread stated almost to a tee. And I am not joking.
did you wake up and see a figure stare at you or something, and you couldn't move?
Yes, But i could move, I am familiar with sleep paralysis, it was similar, but it was the other person on top of me that I saw that was causing it
your descriptions are very vague, and you reached some far fetched conclusions. how do you know that they train for this?
They don't train for anything, they are just equipped with a intelligent brain, and enjoy seeking knowledge like most people, occult knowledge for personal growth and stuff...and are normal beings like me and you, that get caught up in misunderstandings, like normal egoic relationships do, But if it's someone you don't know, it could be about power, control, and domination, or something else I don't really know.
what is so important about terrorizing people while they're sleeping that makes them take these extreme measures just to do it (to strangers no less).
I don't know the answer to that, I can't do it.
also why don't these "good guys" take care of the problem at it's source? they can surely attack the "NS" directly, as oppose to helping the "victims".
These guys, They are beyond fighting, They know nothing is ever achieved by fighting, except bigger fights, anyone who has gone beyond ego, don't use battle to defeat an opponent, 'cos they are wize enough to know they turn into the very thing they are fighting, or encounter it in another variation,.... whatever you fight you strengthen...and yes they do take care of the problem at it's source, they don't think it a problem, they intervene, but only if you don't know it's happening, or your unsure. you never actually get to know what it is they do, Thats their secret, but you do get the idea they have, even though you don't directly know or see what they do, because something happens, and the next night they will tell you things in your sleep what to expect...it's really wierd, they have really powerful voices, it wakes me up instantly

Anyway, hope that helps, and I don't wish for you to get involved in anything like that, because it ain't nice, and i'm still not 100% it's over, because I have spotted him on here, and I do get scared from time to time, and if I disappear for a while, It's cos I get chicken(and so would you if you had what I've had)

Originally Posted by ashberry

Anyway, hope that helps, and I don't wish for you to get involved in anything like that, because it ain't nice, and i'm still not 100% it's over, because I have spotted him on here, and I do get scared from time to time, and if I disappear for a while, It's cos I get chicken(and so would you if you had what I've had)

Thanks for answering most of my questions. I'm still a skeptic, but i don't doubt that this is real to you, but whether it's reality is a different story (i'm not calling you crazy btw.)
so who is this mystery man that can enter one's dreams on command? i would like to know so that i can challenge him
if he can enter my dreams and prove that it was him, than i would be very grateful even if it would be a nightmare (i really don't mind).

Haha... No probs, FD,....But you might wanna ask yourself what reality is, how do you define reality?...and you won't find him, he will find you, if he thinks you need it.(or you piss him off )my experiences were mild I'm sure, in relation to others who have had worse, as I've read on this thread, from the Cusp, and Lex and Monkeylab and others, I suppose it's only a matter of time if you persue lucid/astral and other psionic stuff. So you shouldn't have to look too far for a scream or two.

The discussion about reality is a different topic, and one that i've had numerous times on this site lol. do you know this persons user name? i would be grateful if you told me, and again i want to challenge him. i don't believe in any of it, therefore i'm a perfect candidate for this experiment, and there is almost no chance of the placebo effect.

Haha, your tooo keen u know that I admire your enthusiasm but....

careful what you wish for

Originally Posted by ashberry

Haha, your tooo keen u know that I admire your enthusiasm but....

careful what you wish for

yes, and i ought to be keen, with bold claims you have to have the proof lol. i'm starting to think you made this guy up. if he's real, can you just give me his user name? or are you going to keep running around in circles and give me some more advice?

I have dream stalked before early in my life.... but realized there are far better things to do in my dreams.... so i guess im trying to instead use my dreams for good.... as they are a very good tool for teachings...