So you believe our consciousness goes on forever? Our consciousness generated by our brain? The brain that rots out? I know what you mean, though, but let's alter your theory in consensus to make sense. |
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LOL really now?? Im sorry buddy, your argument doesnt hold up. That dinosaur friend is nearly imagination. Spiritual stuff happens in experiences, not imagination. Two totally different things. See why your argument doesnt hold water? You are taking something that NO ONE believes in, nor has anyone else experienced. With the spiritual realm, many have experienced it. As for the EVP, what is your proof that they are all fake or made? From your point of view, you are kinda taking the side of a schizophrenic, but of course only the imagination part, not the strong hallucinations that come with it. the word "phenomena" is in the acronym for a reason, it cant be explained, but people have definitely experienced it in real time and not in their head |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
So you believe our consciousness goes on forever? Our consciousness generated by our brain? The brain that rots out? I know what you mean, though, but let's alter your theory in consensus to make sense. |
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If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
They only "experience" it because people have heard very, very old tales about them. They only have more merit than my dino because things that go bump in the night have been heard from people for generations, because there's no such thing as leaving a window open that happened to be around a strong wind current and knocking a lamp over. Nope, spirits had to be fighting over ownership of the haunting ground and knocked each other into the lamp. Know what my dino and your spirits have in common? There's no evidence for either of them, and people will give you a funny look if you mention them. If someone just ran up to you and said "THEY ARE WATCHING. BE GOOD OR YOU WILL DIE, MORTAL." Who wouldn't think that's a schizophrenic dog who needs to be put down? Seriously, who would believe someone who said they saw strange ghosts without thinking immediately of a schizophrenic? |
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Last edited by EzioAuditore; 07-25-2014 at 03:09 AM.
If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
So then clearly you've never heard of exorcisms, hauntings, or anything along the subject? Oh wait, I guess millions of people are lying about their experiences that have terrorized them just for the fun of it. Great thinking pal, good to know you are calling many people liars who have been traumatized by events like those. They dont make up stories for the fun of it buddy, 90 percent of them dont even want anything, they just tell their stories. Now I am saying that no one lies? Of course not, if you can profit from something, you can bet people will do their best to do it. But that by no means are all of the other millions of people lying. That would be pointless. You are among the few, that even though millions of people have had supernatural, or haunted encounters, you still decide that its a joke. Being blind, or simply just denying the fact of such things is just ignorance. But hey, Im not meaning to start anything man, believe what you want. |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
This would make sense, but our consciousness is purely brain functions, or what a lot of people would label as neurons. We sense a self, but it is our brain and self awareness, and when we die, our brains die, and we lose that. Our brain is not a vehicle to self, it IS self! At least this is what I think. |
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Last edited by LouaiB; 07-26-2014 at 07:17 PM. Reason: merge posts
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You mean the people who didn't get to live a life? The stillborns? The people who were never taken into the corporeal realm? Your brain needs to develop a personality, and that usually begins at age 3. I'm not sure about people who died before 3 or just weren't alive at all. |
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If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
^^ That's the second time you responded to the same post, and again your response has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I made no theories, professed no beliefs, and certainly wasn't talking about stillborns. I don't know where you're getting this stuff from (it was a fairly simple post with obvious meaning), and can only assume you are baiting me. I don't think I'll bite, thanks. |
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So you are still calling millions of people liars? That's a bit irrational-especially since a huge percentage of those who have had those experiences were completely healthy in the mind and were also completely awake(for the Hypnagogic stuff not to be a possibility) and also many of them did not believe in ghosts prior to their experience. So the schema's you are talking about were not present. Of course, maybe for some, but to say that for millions of people would not make sense. The supernatural "beings" never fully come to this realm, they manifest in the form of energy at most times so there is not much of a trace. However they can cause changes in temperature wherever they are, and stuff along that line. So no, I guarantee you, millions of people are not having just simple hallucinations,OBE's, or doing drugs. However as I said before, some of them could be, and there is no doubt that a percentage of them are. But that is not a good enough explanation for millions of experiences. |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
Still doesn't make sense though. |
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Last edited by LouaiB; 07-30-2014 at 10:40 AM. Reason: spelling
I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
You do realize that beings of other dimensions do not follow the rules of physics or the rules in general of our dimension right? You dont have to understand it in order for it to exist. They leave traces such as voices, temperature drops, moving objects. Other than that there is no trace left permanent by their "body". In order for the sober to add up to 2% then millions upon millions of people would have to be doing hallucinogenic drugs. Fact is, half the people in the world are against them, so you're percentage is incorrect. Man hasnt even explored deep space yet beyond our own galaxy, so what makes you think they know it all? |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
So no proof except stories and mundane after effects. |
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I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
So you are presuming that this is the case no matter what? thats kind of arrogant. As I just said, man does NOT know everything. Its nice to know that people think they have all the answers nowadays. Chances are you DONT have all the answers and you dont know all the facts. Unless you've really studied ghosts and other supernatural phenomena deeply, chances are you know barely anything about the subject. You can go ahead and trash all of what Ive said, but that doesnt make it fake. HOW are you going to automatically diss the existence of something you know nothing about? Really I am curious since you seem to have all the answers here about all of the rules of every dimension. Beings from different dimensions are not going to follow our laws because they are NOT from our dimension. I dont think you understand that point. Its not bad logic as you are calling it; only a confession that we do not know how they work, or how they exist. You cannot trash all phenomena as such by only providing the results of one test. Did you think that would convince me? Im starting to feel like im being trolled. Unless you've witnessed and were present in every situation in this world where such phenomena was involved, you cannot speak for them. Im not trying to sound like a dick here either. It just stuns me when people think they have all the answers. By the way, it would be nice if you could answer the question from my last post, I saw you ignored it. |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
I'm not dissing the phenomenon, I'm just saying that it most likely is just based on stories created by man. |
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Last edited by LouaiB; 07-31-2014 at 08:39 AM.
I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
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Last edited by EzioAuditore; 07-31-2014 at 12:54 PM.
If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
No, I'm not trying to bait you. Trolling on a forum like this seems like a really immoral and foolish move. I wouldn't troll on a forum with topics as serious as this, and I'm quite insulted that you would accuse me of that. I'm putting up a serious argument. |
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Last edited by EzioAuditore; 07-31-2014 at 12:46 PM.
If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
^^ I give up. |
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Last edited by Sageous; 07-31-2014 at 04:23 PM.
I like this alot better. Truth is, neither of us have studied the phenomenon to really have a solid debate going on here. Only reason I kept this thing going was to try to get you to see the other side, to be a bit more open minded. I dont care at all if ghosts exist or not, because it doesnt effect me really, I just like having an open mind to everything. |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
Chill the hell out man, you are taking this too seriously. I am not going to re-state EVERYTHING I said in the past posts by me, Im done wasting my time because in the end YOU are going to believe what you want to believe. Im sorry you got this butthurt over something like this, not what I intended. You see, I am an open minded person- this means I am open to alot of ideas, possibilities, and everything along that line. It also means that I can accept the fact that many things are BEYOND the understanding of man and his mind. Im glad you think we humans are entitled to know everything, really shows the great humbleness possessed by a large percentage of the human population. I am not here to prove anything, because I DO NOT care whether or not spirits exist- I think they do, and thats how I feel because of my drug-free, sober personal experiences. Keep in mind that I also have a completely healthy mind, so STOP bringing up the fact that you just so happen to know that 99 % of everyone who has had an experience was under the influence or unhealthy in the mind. I never said I was talented, buddy, what Im trying to get at here is that I think beyond the box. I think independently. It really hurts me to see that you would let yourself get so frustrated over a thread such as this. Either get angry to easily or I am being trolled as Sageous is. I never asked to get into this long- extremely time consuming argument with you-especially since it is going no where. I ONLY provided you with an opinion of my own and asked you to provide me with why you feel the way you do about spirits. It will probably take you your entire life to find out that YOU CANNOT prove everything, and that much of lifes experiences cannot be explained, they just have to be experience on their own. Many things in life are indescribable, and in a way transcendent. <<<That means that whatever it is goes beyond all human understanding, and we do not possess the knowledge or capability to explain it. That is my view point on spirits. Nothing more. Keep an open mind pal, and do not trash everything just because you dont like it. Another thing- you cant trash the existence of spirits by telling me how the human body works, like seriously wtf did you expect, the two to be one with each other and live off of the same rules? Anyways since I can see that this is taking a negative effect on you I will stop with my replies because I feel that I am being trolled now. It gets me how some people feel they know everything and then use that against me just because I said it. Im only here to open that box that is imprisoning your mind, so please chill out and relax. I am not beating around the bush, Im only trying to beat the POSSIBILITY of an idea into your head. Take care |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
I was wondering why you defend the idea of spirits with what seems like your life. I had seen that you actually are a talented individual, and I saw that you are smart. I saw the potential in you with the ambition you showed me that you could show me proof that spirits exist when your intelligence and ambition combine. |
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Last edited by EzioAuditore; 08-01-2014 at 03:34 AM.
If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
Look man, sorry about the whole "butthurt" insult, that was immature of me. I am really glad we have come to respect each others opinions in the end, thats how it should always be haha. I appreciate the compliments as well and I must say the same for you. As for the whole ghosts thing, I only feel that they could exist, but again I don't know that much about them. It was great talking to you Ezio, and I have learned alot about you, in a good way as well. I see now at times you can be a very rational, strong minded person, and you like to get to the point and find an answer- thats a really good characteristic to have in life. Anyways man, I think we've both learned a lot from this thread, even if we didn't each get the solid answer we were looking for. Stay chill Ezio, Ill see you around DV |
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"If we doubted our fears instead of doubting our dreams, imagine how much in life we'd accomplish." ~Joel Brown
"Your background and circumstances may have influenced who you are, but you are responsible for who you become." ~Darren Hardy
Goals:
-Become Lucid in every dream every night
-Perfect the time dilation watch
-Continue to have a dream plan for most of my lucid dreams
Last edited by EzioAuditore; 08-01-2014 at 05:48 AM.
If today is today, then what was yesterday's last week's yesterday's next week's day after tomorrow?
I actually do have that thought from the start, but I was arguing the existence of of the typical classic ghosts( hence why I debated their characteristics only). |
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Last edited by LouaiB; 08-05-2014 at 03:19 PM.
I fill my heart with fire, with passion, passion for what makes me nostalgic. A unique perspective fuels my fire, makes me discover new passions, more nostalgia. I love it.
"People tell dreamers to reality check and realize this is the real world and not one of fantasies, but little do they know that for us Lucid Dreamers, it all starts when the RC fails"
Add me as a friend!!!
When we face our fear of death and slow down our busy lives, we came to realize our relationships are precious so we must always take care of our beloved and enjoy every moment of our life. |
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