Thread: Beginners to psychic powers, this one’s for you!

Originally Posted by BigFan

Nice, were you ever able to levitate something or bring it to you like a pen? Also, were you able to manipulate psi similar to how you make the psi ball and make it like a long spatula which you could place under the pen and make it move? I know its an odd idea, but, hey if it works, why not?




I agree with you WakataDreamer. Anytime someone does anything psychic whether its real or fake even under controlled conditions, it will be labelled as a trick and the guy will be labelled as crazy


Nice, keep in touch with that new method if its successful

Okay I'm pm you it one day if yields any results .

Oh and seeing as no one seems to want to answer your question I will. Yes you could make a spatula construct to roll a pen, but Tha'd be extra effort on the user, also pk doesn't really work that way man. You need to have the actual skill before you can make a construct with said skill. So if you can already do pk then yes you could in theory make a construct shaped like a spatula give it pk and move something, otherwise no. The only exception to this is if your using the whole spatula thing as a visualization to get the object moving instead of an actual separate construct. I hope this answers your question. If I mis understood it, did not answer the question, or your still confused post here or pm me.

-Native Dreamer-

@PojMaster,

The beyond dreaming forum is for those who believe in a said topic. If you have a problem with psi, go attempt to disprove it elsewhere, this is not the place for that.

On Topic - Where should I go to learn more about phasing objects, etc?

Originally Posted by Miskingo

@PojMaster,

The beyond dreaming forum is for those who believe in a said topic. If you have a problem with psi, go attempt to disprove it elsewhere, this is not the place for that.

On Topic - Where should I go to learn more about phasing objects, etc?

There is not alot of info onsaid topic. Psipog has 3 articles on it and google is a good, choice I've personally done it once I gtg. Hope that helped.

Originally Posted by Miskingo

@PojMaster,

The beyond dreaming forum is for those who believe in a said topic. If you have a problem with psi, go attempt to disprove it elsewhere, this is not the place for that.

I'm not trying to disprove it at all. I never said it was impossible. I just questioned why, if it is possible, has nobody who claims to do it have gotten the reward. That in no way implies disbelief. I mean, its A MILLION DOLLARS.

In my other posts, it's more like trying to prove it, or looking for proof. It would be very nice if psychic powers were true, but if there's no factual proof of it, I'm not going to make a large dedication of my time. So I'm asking if there is any. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm just looking for a true or false answer. If you assume that means I'm gonna disprove it, you're not very confident in this. I have no interest in disproving it either, what do I care whether you believe it or not? It's like trying to convert fundies.

Now please, let me continue asking questions.

Originally Posted by Native Dreamer

Okay I'm pm you it one day if yields any results .

Oh and seeing as no one seems to want to answer your question I will. Yes you could make a spatula construct to roll a pen, but Tha'd be extra effort on the user, also pk doesn't really work that way man. You need to have the actual skill before you can make a construct with said skill. So if you can already do pk then yes you could in theory make a construct shaped like a spatula give it pk and move something, otherwise no. The only exception to this is if your using the whole spatula thing as a visualization to get the object moving instead of an actual separate construct. I hope this answers your question. If I mis understood it, did not answer the question, or your still confused post here or pm me.

-Native Dreamer-

Thanks, that would be great. What I meant is that we used psi to make a psi ball, why not just use psi to make a spatula type of object(construct as they are called unless I'm mistaken) and then place that under a pen and move it towards you. You could use visualization similar to how you visualize making a psi ball. That's what I meant Do you think that's possible? The reason I ask this is because it seems macro pk is gonna take a good while to get any decent results

Originally Posted by Miskingo

@PojMaster,

The beyond dreaming forum is for those who believe in a said topic. If you have a problem with psi, go attempt to disprove it elsewhere, this is not the place for that.

On Topic - Where should I go to learn more about phasing objects, etc?

I think his question is fine, I mean they are supposed to asking questions and he was asking why turn down the $1000000 one.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I'm not trying to disprove it at all. I never said it was impossible. I just questioned why, if it is possible, has nobody who claims to do it have gotten the reward. That in no way implies disbelief. I mean, its A MILLION DOLLARS.

In my other posts, it's more like trying to prove it, or looking for proof. It would be very nice if psychic powers were true, but if there's no factual proof of it, I'm not going to make a large dedication of my time. So I'm asking if there is any. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm just looking for a true or false answer. If you assume that means I'm gonna disprove it, you're not very confident in this. I have no interest in disproving it either, what do I care whether you believe it or not? It's like trying to convert fundies.

Now please, let me continue asking questions.

hmm, while I'll admit that yes, its a lot of money, there a couple of things to consider. First, maybe the said person doesn't wanna go public with his psychic abilites. I know that I wouldn't, at least to protect my family from all the media if I were ever to be able to prove it. Second, it seems that foundation or whatever it is, is infact lying about the $1000000, because, its not money, but, stocks. I can't explain this, but, if you go to the psi site that WakataDreamer put in his first post, you will be able to find an article there that explains the stock thing. Third, some people just don't care about proving something to others. What I mean is even if someone was able to prove it, you will always have skeptics regardless if you pass their conditions or not, so, why bother trying.
You want proof that psychic abilites are possible. There are two options, one which will at least give you some proof and another which might give you a lot but its dangerous. First, you could try opening your third eye chakra if you believe in and its supposdly linked to psychic abilites, so, you might experience things, but, you could create an energy imbalance and lead to a serious illness maybe even death in the long run or through suicide. The second way which is much safer and should yield some results in a matter of 1-2 weeks, is that ebook he gave a link to. The first exercise is about getting a feeling for psi and is well explained with pictures for you. I tried it twice, on two different days when the weather here is in the negatives and the first time my abdomen felt hot the more I concentrated on the visualization and the second time, it got really cold. I wanted to make sure I wasn't just randomly feeling anything, so, I kept strengthing my visualization and it kept on getting colder and colder. Eventually, I was satisfied with the results and stopped for the day. My point is simple. You want to know whether psi and psychic abilites are true, why not just take a read through the ebook(explained well and easy to follow) and practice the first couple of exercises. If you find no results even after practicing for sometime, then at least you can argue that you don't believe in psychic stuff because you tried it. I find it much better to disprove/prove something to yourself by trying it instead of taking someone's advice which is the reason I decided to jump into this psi stuff instead of staying on the sideline

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I can't see why anyone would turn down $1,000,000, no matter what their "plans for the future" are.

Originally Posted by BigFan

Second, it seems that foundation or whatever it is, is infact lying about the $1000000, because, its not money, but, stocks. I can't explain this, but, if you go to the psi site that WakataDreamer put in his first post, you will be able to find an article there that explains the stock thing.

Well, technically it's not lying but... please take the time to read the article on the following link, courtesy of Jeff, who brought this to my attention long ago when I was touting the prize myself:

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I think he's scamming you. http://psipog.net/art-beware-pseudo-skepticism.html

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Well, technically it's not lying but... please take the time to read the article on the following link, courtesy of Jeff, who brought this to my attention long ago when I was touting the prize myself:

Yes, I know its not exactly lying, but, I did read through that article through very carefully and this is what I was trying to tell him, that its in stock not cash which if I'm not mistaken, could become useful especially with the current recession

Edit: I'm going to bed, but, do you think the spatula construct with psi might work as I explained it above your post?

It's in bonds. And I think it might work, but you need more skill probably.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

It's in bonds. And I think it might work, but you need more skill probably.

Thanks, I'll definitely give it a try sometime when I feel I mastered constructs to some degree. As for the money thing, I meant become *useless* not useful

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, while I'll admit that yes, its a lot of money, there a couple of things to consider. First, maybe the said person doesn't wanna go public with his psychic abilites. I know that I wouldn't, at least to protect my family from all the media if I were ever to be able to prove it. Second, it seems that foundation or whatever it is, is infact lying about the $1000000, because, its not money, but, stocks. I can't explain this, but, if you go to the psi site that WakataDreamer put in his first post, you will be able to find an article there that explains the stock thing. Third, some people just don't care about proving something to others. What I mean is even if someone was able to prove it, you will always have skeptics regardless if you pass their conditions or not, so, why bother trying.

Yes, obviously a lot of people wouldn't want to claim the reward, but in the thousands of people who can do this, not ONE person would want it? I know I would if I could.

Originally Posted by BigFan

You want proof that psychic abilites are possible. There are two options, one which will at least give you some proof and another which might give you a lot but its dangerous. First, you could try opening your third eye chakra if you believe in and its supposdly linked to psychic abilites, so, you might experience things, but, you could create an energy imbalance and lead to a serious illness maybe even death in the long run or through suicide. The second way which is much safer and should yield some results in a matter of 1-2 weeks, is that ebook he gave a link to. The first exercise is about getting a feeling for psi and is well explained with pictures for you. I tried it twice, on two different days when the weather here is in the negatives and the first time my abdomen felt hot the more I concentrated on the visualization and the second time, it got really cold. I wanted to make sure I wasn't just randomly feeling anything, so, I kept strengthing my visualization and it kept on getting colder and colder. Eventually, I was satisfied with the results and stopped for the day. My point is simple. You want to know whether psi and psychic abilites are true, why not just take a read through the ebook(explained well and easy to follow) and practice the first couple of exercises. If you find no results even after practicing for sometime, then at least you can argue that you don't believe in psychic stuff because you tried it. I find it much better to disprove/prove something to yourself by trying it instead of taking someone's advice which is the reason I decided to jump into this psi stuff instead of staying on the sideline

Yes but you could just be imagining that you're feeling something. You know that, right? I'm not saying you're not doing it or something, I'm just saying it's inconclusive for me. If you can move a pencil or something like that, then that's proof (assume I'm taking your word for it).

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Yes, obviously a lot of people wouldn't want to claim the reward, but in the thousands of people who can do this, not ONE person would want it? I know I would if I could.

There is one other thing you forget. Its possible that if someone wants to try for it, they might not have developed the skill far enough to be able to claim it. I don't claim to know what they want you to perform, but, it might be something significiant, as in move this large thing for example, just a guess on my part though. Also, I had no clue about this challenge at all until I read about it on a thread here. So, to summarize my argument in one statement, assuming that everyone knows about this and that they must live in North America instead of in a poor country is false, because, there could be other capable of psychic powers in other countries that are unaware of this challenge Forget to mention that not everyone cares about being rich

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Yes but you could just be imagining that you're feeling something. You know that, right? I'm not saying you're not doing it or something, I'm just saying it's inconclusive for me. If you can move a pencil or something like that, then that's proof (assume I'm taking your word for it).

I know that its possible that I'm imagining, but, that's why before starting, I stopped and began to feel around as in, do I feel anything present, am I colder or hotter in my abdomen area, etc....? Then when I proceeded to try the exercise, I made sure to keep on going until I knew for a fact that something was happening in that area because it kept getting colder or hotter. Just give this simple exercise a try. You'll see what I mean and I'm positive that I wasn't imagining anything

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I'm not trying to disprove it at all. I never said it was impossible. I just questioned why, if it is possible, has nobody who claims to do it have gotten the reward. That in no way implies disbelief. I mean, its A MILLION DOLLARS.

That million dollar challenge is a waste of time. The problem is in Randi's approach. He's not out to prove psi abilities, he's out to disprove them. That's an important distinction. He's not looking for proof, therefore he's not going to find it. He has his mind made up before hand that it's all tricks.

There are plenty of accounts of how biased his challenges are, if you take to time to look into it.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

That million dollar challenge is a waste of time. The problem is in Randi's approach. He's not out to prove psi abilities, he's out to disprove them. That's an important distinction. He's not looking for proof, therefore he's not going to find it. He has his mind made up before hand that it's all tricks.

There are plenty of accounts of how biased his challenges are, if you take to time to look into it.

hmm, I do remember reading about something like this before. Hey Cusp, how you doing? Hopefully, that little odd incident in the RV thread didn't get to you

I've created an attacking construct I call a spike. I've gotten to the point that as long as the person is physically in my range and I can visibly see them, I can cause them drowsiness, headaches, itchiness, or pain in a certain area. Weather or not the believe in/ practice psi doesn't matter (There are a few exceptions). My question is does Randi actually send a representative? If he does, if I were to use my construct on the representative and it worked (Caused discomfort sensations) could this qualify for the prize? Why or why not? I mean it's a supernatural/psionic skill, however I do see it hard to place controls on.

Originally Posted by Native Dreamer

I've created an attacking construct I call a spike. I've gotten to the point that as long as the person is physically in my range and I can visibly see them, I can cause them drowsiness, headaches, itchiness, or pain in a certain area. Weather or not the believe in/ practice psi doesn't matter (There are a few exceptions). My question is does Randi actually send a representative? If he does, if I were to use my construct on the representative and it worked (Caused discomfort sensations) could this qualify for the prize? Why or why not? I mean it's a supernatural/psionic skill, however I do see it hard to place controls on.

Nice, although, he'll remain skeptic and probably claim that the representative came down with the flu, lol, so, I wouldn't even try

Originally Posted by BigFan

Nice, although, he'll remain skeptic and probably claim that the representative came down with the flu, lol, so, I wouldn't even try

Lol true or say it psychosomatic.

Originally Posted by Native Dreamer

Lol true or say it psychosomatic.

Since you people seem so convinced... I'm gonna dedicate my time to this psi thing. We'll see my results. As long as any guides I read have a clear explanation, I don't foresee any obstacles. Any recommendations other than the ones in the first post?

(I admit, the "attacking" thing caught my eye.)

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Since you people seem so convinced... I'm gonna dedicate my time to this psi thing. We'll see my results. As long as any guides I read have a clear explanation, I don't foresee any obstacles. Any recommendations other than the ones in the first post?

(I admit, the "attacking" thing caught my eye.)

Not that I know off. I am mostly following the ebook and doing the exercises in order. However, I do plan to keep doing exercise 1 on a daily basis to see if I always get the same feeling. Just keep an open mind(I'm sure you will) through the exercises and focus on your visualizations to get a stronger feeling. Just give it 15-30min/daily or until you think that you're done enough, but, overstress yourself because it can get pretty bad and you can get ill. I just tried the first exercise for a couple of minutes and called it a day, take a step at a time. I also like the attacking thing, lol, but, I doubt I'll get there until I can at least make constructs

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

Since you people seem so convinced... I'm gonna dedicate my time to this psi thing. We'll see my results. As long as any guides I read have a clear explanation, I don't foresee any obstacles. Any recommendations other than the ones in the first post?

(I admit, the "attacking" thing caught my eye.)

Most serious psi communities do not go over psionic attacks. Any that do are usually full of fluff nonsense that doesn't work, or is all psychosomatic. Also avoid any psi "Battling/Sparing" communities they're mostly deluded fluff balls with a newb who cant really scan so makes stuff up. I learned a lot of skills read some theory and tried stuff out myself.

The thing is that most wont teach you how to psionically attack. If your diligent in your practices its a natural step. But by then you'll have gained so much knowledge that you know there really is no need for such things. I hold a psionic moral code (Cheesy I know) I do nothing psionic to anyone without permission save maybe a light scan. Try to have morals an respect guys if you pursue this. You never know your "practice" could be received as an attack and you would not want that.

As for articles read around psipog for basics then branch off. The handbook was rushed and not necessarily well written the actual articles provide more substance. Once people start getting advanced we should all try a game of pass the construct (I suck at it now lol).

Also note that nothing is 100% prefect all the time so don't dismiss early success for luck or chance.

Well good luck everyone trying psionics, stay consistent and you will be surprised what you can do.

-Native Dreamer-

Originally Posted by Native Dreamer

morals an respect

Obstacles.

I don't wanna get into an argument, neither of us will change the other's opinion.

Originally Posted by Native Dreamer

Most serious psi communities do not go over psionic attacks. Any that do are usually full of fluff nonsense that doesn't work, or is all psychosomatic. Also avoid any psi "Battling/Sparing" communities they're mostly deluded fluff balls with a newb who cant really scan so makes stuff up. I learned a lot of skills read some theory and tried stuff out myself.

The thing is that most wont teach you how to psionically attack. If your diligent in your practices its a natural step. But by then you'll have gained so much knowledge that you know there really is no need for such things. I hold a psionic moral code (Cheesy I know) I do nothing psionic to anyone without permission save maybe a light scan. Try to have morals an respect guys if you pursue this. You never know your "practice" could be received as an attack and you would not want that.

As for articles read around psipog for basics then branch off. The handbook was rushed and not necessarily well written the actual articles provide more substance. Once people start getting advanced we should all try a game of pass the construct (I suck at it now lol).

Also note that nothing is 100% prefect all the time so don't dismiss early success for luck or chance.

Well good luck everyone trying psionics, stay consistent and you will be surprised what you can do.

-Native Dreamer-

I mostly want to learn psi for macro-pk, not for attacking anybody, so, you don't have to worry about it It would be nice to play a game, but, would we have to be in the same room for that kind of things?

Not necessarily man when you get good at telepathy or constructs contact me I'll give you some tips.
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When I was decent at pk I learned that innately I could to do it through a camera (odd because glass stops me in my tracks lol). I was filming it one day and while practicing it I realized I could just look at the digital screen's image and move the object! However zooming had odd effects on my ability. It was my goal back then to have skeptics meet me on web-cam set up a psi wheel in their own room under their own controls, and move it for them through the web cam. I trying to get back into it so i can do just that around here.

I'm actually teaching 10 kids in my area for 2 months from scratch pk (I need to relearn myself) By doing this I hope to get a good feel for it then create a psionics site solely dedicated to pk. From there I hope to have an extensive PK guide, with live classes over chat available too, and maybe special seminars in which people can meet on webcam and I can preform some PK in their own house. This is all just me vision it may never actually happen . But I'm currently working on a guide that incorporates all the psionic skills to learning pk (part of my method mentioned earlier in the thread). I discuss various constructs I've made using pk.

On such construct you might be interested in is my "Sensitive Psychokinetic Force Blast" (Excuse the really fluffy sounding name) Its a construct of concentrated pk and psi when thrown at an object that you can move it causes an abrupt and sudden burst of movement. Ugh I'm just ranting now I don't really share my psionic projects with people lol so that might be why. I'll just stop now.

Others share what progress or what motivation you have for learning psi too I'm curious .

I used to be extremely dedicated to psionics, especially telekinesis/psychokinesis. I practiced many, many hours but I gave up after not seeing much progress. I mastered the psi wheel and various easy exercises for spinning things but as soon as the time came to move on to something more advanced, I saw no progress for a long time and never advanced from where I was. I have talked to others who have experienced the same thing. I do still believe in these kinds of abilities but I don't know how worth it is to learn them as even in their strongest forms I have never seen, heard about or experienced a believable account that makes me think that they can be at all useful. I experimented with psi manipulation too but besides making a giant spider on the wall go insane and making my cats ear move, I also didn't see enough results. You may call me impatient with my practice and I probably wouldn't disagree, but I did spend long hours practicing and researching. I like to keep an open mind on this subject but that is my experience and what I've learnt from it so far. I also do not trust posts on psionic forums or videos as anything can be faked.