Thread: WILD method same as OBE method.. is it a LD or OBE?

Originally Posted by Hidden

"I can't control anything. This must be an OBE!"
"No, you just suck at dream control."

There are people who have have very good dream control and have had both LDs and OBEs and said that they couldn't exert any control, but, I get the joke

Originally Posted by Hidden

Yeah, that makes sense. And astral projection is something completely different? Like you're in some sort of parallel dimension? Or is it just another word for OBE?

Far as I originally understood it, when you astral project, you go to a higher plane than an OBE. However, recently I've began to believe that astral projection and OBEs are one in the same and the plane you project to is dependent on your vibration, so, if you have a high frequency, higher plane and low frequency means lower planes

Originally Posted by BigFan

Far as I originally understood it, when you astral project, you go to a higher plane than an OBE. However, recently I've began to believe that astral projection and OBEs are one in the same and the plane you project to is dependent on your vibration, so, if you have a high frequency, higher plane and low frequency means lower planes

You read Naiya's tutorial, right? I like her version of it; it seems fairly plausible, and it defines OBEs/AP as something completely separate from dreams. I'd like to try it (even though I'm a skeptic), but I really have no clue what I'm doing.

Originally Posted by Hidden

You read Naiya's tutorial, right? I like her version of it; it seems fairly plausible, and it defines OBEs/AP as something completely separate from dreams. I'd like to try it (even though I'm a skeptic), but I really have no clue what I'm doing.

Yes, I did read her tutorial, but, I was originally thinking about vibrations and how an OBE and astral projection differ if they are both some kind of projection? Unfortunately, until I experience one and would rather have it by accident, I'll never know the difference to an LD

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream.

I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think.

Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing isn't real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it.

Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream.

I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think.

Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing is real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it.

Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room.

hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one

And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body.

Originally Posted by Hidden

And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body.

Its supposed to be very easy if you are fully into SP. Just imagine a rope and you hanging to it and climbing it