Thread: WILD method same as OBE method.. is it a LD or OBE?

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream.

I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think.

Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing isn't real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it.

Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

When I had spontaneous "OBE", I was able to control it like a dream.

I think they are the same thing. Not to belittle OBEs as just a dream, I think there is more to dreaming than most people think.

Perhaps the difference is only in the way they are approached. Part of the freedom of lucid dreaming comes from knowing that nothing you are experiencing is real. But if you go into it (or an OBE) thinking that what you are experiencing is real on some level, that could limit the amount of control you have over it.

Dreams are formed around the last image you experience in HI before you get a dream body. But sometimes you skip that whole HI stage and enter directly into dreaming by getting a dream body right away. With no HI to draw from, the dream instead feeds of your last conscious image, that of you in your room.

hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one

Originally Posted by BigFan

hmm, one thing I always wondered about OBEs is about their subjectivity. I mean different people have different belief systems and based on people's accounts, it seems that most people have somewhat different experiences which goes back to the idea of a lucid dream which it works on your expectations What do you think? One other thing, if an OBE is indeed being in the spiritual world and not some lucid dream, then why is it so easy to get into? I mean it seems that as long as you get to SP and pull out of your body, you will have an OBE. If you continue, you have an LD. It just seems too easy for me to just be able to get into the spiritual world like that which is the one reason that I think OBEs are some kind of LD, but, I'm still a bit worried about having one

And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body.

Originally Posted by Hidden

And everyone knows how easy it is to pull out of your body.

Its supposed to be very easy if you are fully into SP. Just imagine a rope and you hanging to it and climbing it

Originally Posted by BigFan

Its supposed to be very easy if you are fully into SP. Just imagine a rope and you hanging to it and climbing it

Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time.

Originally Posted by Nightprowler

Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time.

So you need to meditate or something beforehand to get your mind into the right "vibrational state"? Or just hope you get lucky?

There's also the possibility that imagining yourself climbing a rope will just make you have a lucid dream about climbing ropes.

Originally Posted by Nightprowler

Trying to have an OBE isn’t as easy as you think. I had multiple instances of sleep paralysis and trying to leave my body and failed miserably. Your mind or your astral body needs to be in a certain vibrational state to exit. That’s why it’s so hard to have an OBE. Otherwise if it was that easy I would be have OBE’s all the time.

Well, I never said it was easy, did I? *checks previous post* What I meant was that the rope or rollout technique are the two most used ones and being fully in SP makes it that much easier to have an OBE, not easy, just easier in comparison to not

Firstly I'd like to say "Wow" i can't really beleive this stuff exsist with so many others it's amazing to hear other peoples expieriences!

I started having SP when i was about 18, the first time it happened i was terrifyed and couldnt work out what was happening, i remember repeatedly trying to switch the side lamp on but it never came on, i then dragged my body out of bed and crawled to my mums room which was extremely hard.. at this point i couldnt work out that I was dreaming and as I reached my mums bed I snapped out and woke up thinking WTF??

After that i would have SP usually every 2 weeks or so but I began to relax and absord what was happening.. on the other hand there was a time a few months back when i fought my way out of bed again and was standing on my landing looking back into my room and could see myself laying in bed! I then walked (no struggle like the 1st time) downstairs feeling very consious of what was happening, I then opened my porch door and jumped thru my front door, when I was outside it was daylight and lucidicy really kicked in, this LD lasted about 2 minutes before i lost conciousness and faded back into a normal dream and woke up shortly after.

Personally I think the OBE's are LD's but as i've only had one I need more evidence.