Thread: The Turn it upside down debate No.1 - ASTRAL TRAVEL AND OBEs - Skeptics and Believers swap roles.

Originally Posted by Walms

But I don't have enough time to get any worth results in the case its real, probably can convince someone else and make profit off them though. (And no, the time I wast in internet isn't enough)

Yeah, same problem I saw, as someone I know would say, if it is overused/passed through generations, then there may be some truth to it. I don't know how a group of people would make any difference though, and I think anyone who puts their phone number offering help is a liar, I mean, these are the easiest targets and yet nothing has been proven? It smells of lies to me.

And what would you determine as consistently? Even one every year would do.

A group of people would feel more courageous, that's all, while a single person would tend to have more doubts.

As for consistency, every year wouldn't do unless you can at least know on which particular day you're going to succeed. It's kind of pointless to present your case to science and tell them "Ok, now you need to just observe me constantly for a year or so, because each year I randomly become successful". They'd think you're nuts... You have to be able to either know under which conditions you're most likely to succeed, or know how to reproduce successful attempts at will (by magic or whatever is used).

Oh, safety in groups, I see.

And you would not be tested every single day, just make a box that is always close to some well known scientist (or pseudo scientist, seeing they have far more time in their hands) so that no-one but him/her knows what is inside of the box, whenever you have an OBE go check the box, go back to your body, report. I'm sure that getting it right more than 4 times in a row would be enough to provide some kind of proof on the ability. Obviously the box shouldn't be cheap, but there are people who waste millions in silly experiments, so not a problem <.<

I couldn't post here for a while, but here goes.

I can't do anything, unfortunately, so your advise won't work with me. If I could, I'd go to any length to prove what I can do. To myself first. Opinions of others aren't so important if you need a proof that you personally are sane.

As for others, I don't see such an urge for proof. Strangely most people who think they can do something don't care for a kind of absolute proof. They feel ok if they managed to do something a couple of times, draw a conclusion that it's working and don't bother thinking of its realness or effectiveness any longer. I'd like to know why such a difference in people's thinking exists. Why some insist on proving something 100%, and for some it's enough to see a couple of times whether it works.

Anyway, whatever the experiment, I don't know anybody who'd agree for it, for the reason mentioned above mostly, they don't care to prove something 100% and consider it a waste of time. Plus you'd have to find a credible scientist, which is not a piece of cake, working with a pseudo-scientist makes no sense imho.

P.S. Funnily during this experiment I haven't been lying at all, and that didn't hinder it I'm not sure what kind of a general conclusion can be made, however. What do you get out of it?

Meh believers and their excuses.
Cientist working with pseudo-cientist doesn't sound that hard if one has to do nothing other than keeping a box <.<

And isn't it funny? I didn't lie either... just hope that doesn't mean I did a bad job in this <.<

Haha. You need a real scientist. You can make yor own made-at-home experiments if you do it for yourself. But if you go for scientists, it's ridiculous to associate with bad ones

And no you didn't do a bad job, you sounded very convincing in your role