Thread: DC Theory

DC are people that your subconcius creates, or are people you allready seen, DC are not other people dreaming, if it was, do you think you were posting that question here?
I personaly dont believe in shared dreams, there is no proof of it except some 2 guys in here... for believing in shared dreaming i need to experience myself.
BTW, the dreamworld is the world your subconsicous or (if you are lucid) you create, you can do everything in your dreams, so if the DC were in fact, other people, they would have total control of the dream too

Originally Posted by LipeMarques

DC are people that your subconcius creates, or are people you allready seen, DC are not other people dreaming, if it was, do you think you were posting that question here?
I personaly dont believe in shared dreams, there is no proof of it except some 2 guys in here... for believing in shared dreaming i need to experience myself.
BTW, the dreamworld is the world your subconsicous or (if you are lucid) you create, you can do everything in your dreams, so if the DC were in fact, other people, they would have total control of the dream too

You need to beleive to actually get one is my guess. I mean, if you doubting that shared dreams exist how is mind your going to be able to create it. I heard a story once of a couple that kept a secret word from each other. They both wrote it down and were able to acheive shared dreams before. In the dream they told each other their secret words. Then they woke up and both knew what the others word was. It was a long distance relationship : ) I personally beleive that the mind is much more powerfull then we can even imagine. But also agree with you on the point that the DC's are created subconciously and arn't actually people. But i'd be interested in hearing some more in depth thoughts on your theory.
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No.

In agreement with the other posters, no. There is no proof on this subject (proof is not similar DJ entries, it's communicating a secret word). However, it would be pretty cool.

I like that theory. Nothing goes against it, does it?
I also like to think that our dreams are real in some other dimension.

in this AM's dream, i didn't recognize anyone in my "gaggle of gals" dreams, all DCs... but i recognized a certain energy i could attribute to a certain group of friends.

Your theory sounds more like it belongs in the beyond dreaming section, but I suppose anything is possible. I'm not sure of the full implication of your meaning, but I have often wondered if the DC's were actually my mind, or where they there own separate entities. I suppose there is no way to find out for sure.

Try to ask the Beyond Dreaming people, they are generally more open to this and would most likely recommend some fine literature for you to pursue.

Happy Dreaming

Ive never realy given it much thought before but I don't think you can figure this out with an "either-or" theory. There is more to this than "are they real or not?" You are seeing the mind in too limited of terms. I'm not going to go into this too far here because there is more involved than what you think of as just dreaming and this probably belongs in beyond dreaming section.
That being said; me and my wife have had shared dreams that we both remembered in the morning.

I like that theory. Nothing goes against it, does it?
I also like to think that our dreams are real in some other dimension.

There's an old saying, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." However, this is flawed logic. There is no evidence that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster, after all. Rather than believing fantastic claims and trying to disprove them later with evidence, we should adapt a more skeptical lens and view these claims with a skeptical eye until evidence for their existence comes to light. Keep in mind that every mystery ever solved in the history of the world has turned out to be not magic.

And no, your DC's aren't other dreamers. They're constructs of your imagination. You know, unless you have some nice, empirical evidence to back up your idea...

Originally Posted by Mario92

There's an old saying, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." However, this is flawed logic. There is no evidence that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster, after all. Rather than believing fantastic claims and trying to disprove them later with evidence, we should adapt a more skeptical lens and view these claims with a skeptical eye until evidence for their existence comes to light. Keep in mind that every mystery ever solved in the history of the world has turned out to be not magic.

And no, your DC's aren't other dreamers. They're constructs of your imagination. You know, unless you have some nice, empirical evidence to back up your idea...

We are talking about subjective reality here, you can't prove anything.
Can you prove to me the content of one of your dreams?
Can you prove that youve ever encountered a "DC"?
Can you prove that you have ever remembered a dream?
Can you truly even prove that you have ever even had a dream?

Maby I am the only one who realy exists and you are all just my DCs. The only experience I can ever truly know is my own.

I am not saying that we should just go around believing every thing every one says, but if you want to expand your awareness in the direction of experiential reality and you don't want to become an island unto your self, (which there is nothing wrong with) then you need to at least let the concepts flow unimpeded by the need for scientific proof.

Just stop for a minute. Everyone is acting crazy. Even those who believe in some of the crazier dream theories are happy to admit DCs are nothing more than manifestations of the subconscious.
I'm happy to accept and attempt a lot of the odd theories and occurrences in dreams, but DCs being real people is beyond sane and all of you need to rethink this before everyone thinks you are mad.
Mario92 makes a perfectly decent point.

Can you always tell the differience between a DC and somthing from the astral plain?
Do you think that you only exist in your head and that when you sleep your only experience is within your "Subconscious mind?"

If I get out of my body and see my wife cleaning the house in the morning and wake up to find the house clean should I say that my experience of her was just that of a DC?

If we both wake up in the morning and remember the same dream, where we both just eachothers DCs?

In one sence every thing in reality is just a dream creation, I can only experience my own counsciousness. If I look at another person, the only experience of them that I can ever truly have is what flashes across the surfice of my own counsciousness, I can never see them from there own perspective of them selves. So I experience my own interpitation, or creation of what I think them to be. (Does this make them less real?)
All of reality is truly only a supjective experience and we are the ones creating it.

Originally Posted by 1495

Do you think that you only exist in your head and that when you sleep your only experience is within your "Subconscious mind?"

Almost always, yes.

If I get out of my body and see my wife cleaning the house in the morning and wake up to find the house clean should I say that my experience of her was just that of a DC?

If she often cleans the house, then yes.

If we both wake up in the morning and remember the same dream, where we both just eachothers DCs?

Shared dreaming is a completely different case from saying every character in a dream is a person or entity.

I'd get in on this, but everything that logically needed to be said, HAS been said. DC's are something your brain is creating for you to see. When you're dreaming, you're seeing with your mind rather than your actual eyes, but to us it just looks the same; this, however, doesn't mean that what we see in our dreams can be real. In this way, I can't believe that DC's are real people. It's a fun thought to entertain, but that's as far as it goes for real practicality.

Let it be known that, since this is in Beyond Dreaming, I don't discount the possibility of shared dreaming to be real, but DC's are just that. Dream characters.

Originally Posted by Loaf

every character in a dream is a person or entity.

I never said that every caracter in you dream is a "person or entity."

But rather that not every thing you experience in a so called "dream" is a DC.

If you simply want to define a DC as a personal cretion then enough said.

But if the question is: can you meet real people while dreaming/projecting and you want proof before you can even begin to consider it you are going to limmit your potential for exploration and expansion.

Originally Posted by 1495

But if the question is: can you meet real people while dreaming

I never said I didn't believe in the possibility of that.

Plus one to what Loaf said. To all posters in this thread: Please assume good faith from each other, and stop attacking one another. You're getting nowhere.

Just to point out the obvious...

If DC's were actual people, then don't you think people would have found out a few thousand years ago that the people they encounter both in real life and in their dreams have very similar dreams? If DC's were actual people, then you could expect to run into people in real life and start shooting the breeze about how awesome or strange or weird last night was. But, you never encounter this. Why? Because dreams are invididual entities 99%, if not 100%, of the time.

And 1495:


Dreams can be confirmed in that a truly incredible majority of the world population, in all cultures and settings, experience dreaming, sometimes without even knowing what dreaming is. Ergo, we can conclude within a very reasonable degree of certainty that dreams are real. As for personal experiences, there really isn't anything to be gained from lying about them. You could hook me up to a polygraph, ask me if I've ever interacted with a DC, and the test will show that I am telling the truth. Of course, you can never prove it true, but you can look at the millions of similar stories, as well as some scientific, empirical evidence supporting the notion of dreaming, and draw a reasonable conclusion that I have, in fact, interacted with DC's before.

Exactly.
I often dream about my family and tell them my dreams. They never remember - ever - even if they have had dreams that night too. Thats pretty conclusive to me.

Not to say shared dreams aren't possible - but dreams being a single world that we are all involved in every single time we sleep... no.

Sorry to jump off-topic, but I really like that video, solely for the message it sends. I'm taking a critical-thinking course in college right now, and this speaks volumes of truth to what I've learned in that class.

Originally Posted by Clyde Machine

To all posters in this thread: Please assume good faith from each other, and stop attacking one another. You're getting nowhere.

Personaly I think that this is a great thread.

I have respect for all of you guys, If I didn't I would not stay on this forum. Why would I try to express my self to anyone who I didn't think could understand me. This is me, its who I am, its how I experience reality and I am tryinhg to understand how you all experience your own reality.
Its not about right or wrong, its about personal experience.

I hope no body thinks that I am attacking them as I do not feal atacked. That is not anybodys intention. My intention is to broden the scope.

I don't know about the rest of you but I feal like I have alot from this thread.
If all we are ever going to do is to just agree about limited small concepts and never push the envilope then whats the point?

Love and respect:
1495

this all ties into what one believes is truly "real".

I like that theory. Nothing goes against it, does it?
I also like to think that our dreams are real in some other dimension.

Ditto. whats to say that, dreams arent just us visiting/phasing to some other dimension while asleep? you cant prove half of the theorys that most people take for granted. newtons laws have even been defied by certain circumstances.
humans like to believe we understand what the hell is going on, but in reality we dont really. as far as we know, all of us could be in a coma and our life is just one big long, dream that someday we'll wake up from.
I like your theory, itd be cool if DC's were actually other people's dream selves.

Originally Posted by Skydreamer707

Ditto. whats to say that, dreams arent just us visiting/phasing to some other dimension while asleep? you cant prove half of the theorys that most people take for granted. newtons laws have even been defied by certain circumstances.
humans like to believe we understand what the hell is going on, but in reality we dont really. as far as we know, all of us could be in a coma and our life is just one big long, dream that someday we'll wake up from.
I like your theory, itd be cool if DC's were actually other people's dream selves.

Well, actually, there is considerable evidence that contradicts the notion that all DC's, even some small percentage, are really other people. If they were other people, you'd be bumping into gents speaking in Russian all the time, you'd be talking to your best friend about whatever the hell it was you did last night, and so forth. Consider, too, that not once in the recorded history of the world has it been shown that dream characters are directly tied to real life characters in any way.

Just because I like posting videos:




While we cannot really be sure of anything, we can make observations and draw reasonable conclusions based on those observations. Knowledge changes all the time, but there are some observations that are very solid and very concrete. Shared dreaming, unlikely though it may be, may yet be possible, but if so, it is a very rare occurrence. Not saying it isn't possible, but I'm really disinclined to hold it to be true.

I am suprised there is split decision to whether or not this theory is true, especially since it was probably just a random thought that popped into gohan3499's head.

Guess what guys? If that applies to humans, I guess I can have a fully interactive dream with my dog, because logically if I see my dog in my dream its him. Theres no other explination at all, right? [/sarcasm]