CanisLucidus

Awesome job! It's good to see that you can get out of the blackness, if I ever find myself in it I will try that. By "focusing on a specific point" did you mean just staring in one direction, or willing one thing to form?

I bet if you kept interacting with the characters in the Colosseum, you'd have stayed there. If you keep practicing this, maybe even eventually invoking the void would be a great way to teleport!

Thanks!! As far as "focusing on a specific point", it was mostly about looking at one place. I just kept my gaze focused on the sand so that my mind was free to form the rest of the scenery without interference from my visual sensations.

But you're also right about "willing one thing to form" (or at least one thing at a time.) I confirmed/built my dream body first to make sure that I was committed to the dream scene. After that, I focused on the sand. Once I felt confident in that part, I kept playing with the sane while imagining everything that was around me. You know how if you're walking through an area and maybe close your eyes for a few steps? You "see" in your mind what will be there when your eyes open. Beyond that, you even know what'll be behind you, to the side of you, under you, etc.

I think you're right that a little more interaction with the scene and characters with my dream body would have kept me on the ground and probably gotten me my fight. I had every belief that OMD-style orcs were going to come pouring out of those gates, too. Would that have not been so cool? But that scenery was just so distracting! I'll try to be a bit less of a tourist next time.

As for the void, I was thinking exactly the same thing! I always used to fear it but since the success I had where your DC scooped me out into a new scene and now this teleportation... I'm beginning to see it more like "the construct" from The Matrix. You know what I mean? It's cool!

Edit: By the way! For lucid aids, I employed "The NewArtemis Special": pre-bed 200mg B6, lots of apple juice.

Very cool. Great job escaping the darkness. I wonder why we both struggle with this now. At least we know how useful it can be. Do you mind explaining exactly what chimper told you and your thought process? This has got me a little excited.

Thanks dude! You know, I wonder if what we perceive as a struggle with the darkness would have once been us simply... waking up. I'm still figuring out exactly what causes darkness to fall like that, but a common pattern for me is to hit it shortly after going lucid. In essence, I think it's about not being engaged enough in the dream scene and coming close to waking up.

But if this kind of thing is going to strike sometimes, I love the idea of it becoming more and more of an opportunity and less of a worrisome problem. If we have the ability to a) summon characters (or have them come get us, I guess) and b) teleport someplace, that gets us well on the way toward most lucid goals that I can think of! So yeah, man, I'm like you... this has got me really excited!

I read one of Chimp's DJ entries where he was trying to get to a cathedral. The DILD and the WILD - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views When the scene started to form, he found himself looking at a pew. He just stared at the pew for a while to allow the rest of the scene to form around him. I was impressed with the kind of results he got, and the whole thing intuitively made sense. You remember how Alyzarin's been talking about how the model of the dream world is stored in the hippocampus? If we just get one piece of helpful visual information going, we're completely free to imagine the rest of the scene however we like. In a dream, the visuals that we see are generated from the model that we store in the hippocampus. If we give that time to completely form, the visual experience is likely to be much richer and less challenging to form "on the fly".

In the waking world, our visual cortex is constantly updating this model with new information. By not looking too early, we avoid the risk of "tainting" the model of the world with any weird or incomplete visuals that might form as a result of looking at a half-baked version of the scene. That's my take on it anyway. Does that make sense?

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Oh no! I think DreamViews ate your comment! I've certainly been down that road.

I'll assume that whatever you said was supportive before DreamViews disappeared it. Thanks for reading and commenting!

I agree with you completely. I think the fact that we get stuck in the dark verse waking up is a huge sign of progress.

I guess we have sort of done this before with our Gladius swing but maybe just trying to keep things fresh and new, like you with the sand and me with my simple line drawing, is more effective. It seems using the same trick more than once isn't very effective, at least for me.

You know, I don't remember whether gladius swinging or bike riding ever started losing its effectiveness for you, but I could usually keep things going with the gladius trick. What I couldn't do very well at all was control where I wound up. And I'd often end up someplace hazy, unstable, or otherwise not ideal for my goals. I just had no... endgame for it. It was a way to buy time.

In a way, this floor thing uses elements of the gladius trick along with the way that you'd flop on your face and start making out with the floor for stabilization. The important part, I think, is believing in and touching the new scene that we want. We start with the floor and get those tactile sensations that make everything super stable. Once we're safely buckled into the dream scene, then we let the rest of the scene build up around us. When we're sure we've finished, we look up to find ourselves exactly where we'd want.

This is the theory anyway. Call it "the floor trick"? I'm going to be trying this as my new way of teleporting, assuming I can remember it. Getting really focused in on one thing lets your mind just run free changing whatever it likes. Do you remember when you flew to Saturn and it turned into a toy in a child's room? Saturn (the thing you were focusing on) remained the same. But literally everything else was rewritten once it no longer had your attention. What I'm hoping this tech could do is allow us to create these moments whenever we want, and create them in an environment of great stability (touching something like the floor.)

If this works, the next thing I'd be interested in seeing is whether any floor could be changed. Like say you dive to your hardwood and start rubbing it, staring down at one spot. Maybe you imagine sand is just a few feet ahead, crawl to that, and start rubbing it like crazy while mentally remodeling your location to be the Colosseum. Seems more advanced than doing this from the void, but still very possible.

Just some thoughts. I am sure it's obvious that I'm getting completely carried away here. LOL. I can't help myself. LDing does this to me, man.

Wow that transition from the void into the colosseum was awesome CL. Nice work.

Thanks dude, I appreciate that! I'm really looking for an opportunity to repeat. I had a couple of DEILD opportunities but was too confused to implement this properly. I'm going to try to really focus on it tonight!