Daban's workbook

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Hi, Im Daban and im soon 18 and I've been practicing LD for about a month now. At start I only knew about WILD and was practicing it during naps and before going to bed(not very successful) however after I joined this forum I've built up some knowledge. Currently I've had about 7 DILDs 1 wild and 2 DEILD(90% from the past 2 weeks). I currently do ADA during the day and I meditate about 1 time a day. When I go to sleep I think a little bit about LD's and then use mantras such as "im falling asleep" and "I will wake up after each dream and lay still" to do DEILD. During the night I wake up after most of my dreams either due to the DreamZ app Im using(plays an audio cue during REM) or just spontaniously after a dream. This gives me a recall of about 2-4 dreams each night. When I wake up during the night and manage to lay completely still I attempt DEILD and if that fails and I forget to not move, I instead write down my recent dream and do some repetitions of SSILD(senses initiated lucid dream) and fall asleep. The SSILD has given me lots of falseawakenings that I haven't succeeded to catch. The DILD practice I do is like I said ADA and RC's very often during the day. I've almost read Tenzin-Wangyal-Rinpoche-The-Tibetan-Yogas-Of-Dream-And-Sleep and I've learnt a lot from it. Things as seeing the awake life as a dream to gain control over it and from there into the dreams and see things from a non-dualistic perspective and put an end of "negative karmic traces" etc. I started this workbook here so some people with knowledge could follow and help my progress

[gab]

Hi Daban and welcome to the workshop! Yes, WILDs before bed don't work, because of the way a sleep cycle is structured. (Unless you are extremely skilled in staying aware even during all nREM stages.) But DILD/MILD, together with some awarness technique, WBTB and dream journaling is a great way to get consistent DILDs. About mantras - I would suggest to use only present tense, because our mind interprets anything you say in future tens as 'anytime, just no now'. So something like "I lucid dream", "I wake up after dream and remember it", "I remember my dreams", "I wake up after dream and stay motionless" will work. Best time to say mantra is as you falling asleep, as a last thought. I think that you will start catching false awakenings as you gain more awareness. RCs - It's good to do as many of them as you can, but make sure to put some emotions behind every single one of them, otherwise they won't work. When you ask yourself "Am I dreaming?", really consider that it could be true. Then do some RCs and really expect them to work. I have read the book you mention Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche "The Tibetan Yogas Of Dream And Sleep". For a while I used to say "I'm dreaming" for awareness technique and it got me lucid once. I think you really have to believe in what you saying, or at least have strong feelings about it. Please post your progress and ask any question that I didn't answer here. Happy dreams

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Thanks for the tips! I will adjust my mantras for sure. Yes I believe it's very much about imagining and use the emotions in the senses you use. Last night, I said some mantras to fall asleep and before i fell asleep I used "I will wake up after each dream and remember to lay still"(which I will adjust after reading your post). I woke up at 03.30~ and failed to lay still, so I wrote down my previous dream and did some cycles of paying attention to all my senses (ssild) and fell back asleep. I then woke up a second time, time unknown because I was trying to DEILD. So I layed completely still but upon getting the vibrations I always get right before the dream appears to me I somehow got too aware of the vibrations and fell out of the trance and woke up. So that failed. So I wrote down my previous dream again and did some cycles of SSILD and fell asleep again. I then didn't quite wakeup entirely but I became halfconcious and aware that I was lying in my bed. And I imagined my hands infront of me and as I was looking at them, they got weirder and weirder and I felt stronger and stronger vibrations synced with my hands getting weirder. At last I only had 3 fingers and the vibrations stopped so I knew I was in a dream, I got up and I was in a neighbourhood close to me. I did try to notice all the details and did some RC's for control. I had read that I could shout "more clarity" for more clarity and I did so but my voice didnt work, and when I did it with louder voice I almost woke up IRL and my eyes just got white, the dream dissapeared and everything was white. Then I imagined myself walking blindly into a very small river that is nearby the neighbourhood and it started raining, I gained somewhat vision but there was still white dots in my vision and it felt like I was drowning. So I tried to calm myself and breathe a little deeply and then the dreamscene came back to me and I got out of the water. I then started spinning(teleporting) myself to another location which worked(for the first time) and I teleported somewhere beautiful. Then mord siths(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp...sen7o1_400.jpg fictioned kind of people from the series The legend of the seeker) appeared from behind the trees and was about to attack me, I got scared but with a wave with my hands I made them friendly instead and then I was feeling the dream fading away and I woke up.(ofc after I had sex with 1 of them). I'm not sure what to call this LD.. The way it was induced was rather rare but I think it was more of a DEILD even though I didnt wake up into full concious state. Now I've had quite some Lucid dreams and I want to start working on how to make them longer.. I can't rreally tell if the stabilization techniques(spinning, looking around, rubbing hands, touching things, shouting) is working for me :S

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Another night. This night I did not have any LD's but I wrote down and recalled 4 of my dreams, almost 5. I woke up about 4 times during the night and morning and failed to lay still so I just wrote my dreams down and tried to do some SSILD, but everytime, I fell asleep after like 1 rep so it wasn't so successful. I'm sure I would've gotten LD's if I've done more reps. I had some quite vivid dreams and they were all weird as f, but I still didn't manage to attain awareness. I can't figure out why I keep accepting my dreamscenes as reality when they are so far away from realistic but I guess I'll just need to keep practicing ADA and RC's.

[Arch]

I then didn't quite wakeup entirely but I became halfconcious and aware that I was lying in my bed. And I imagined my hands infront of me and as I was looking at them, they got weirder and weirder and I felt stronger and stronger vibrations synced with my hands getting weirder. At last I only had 3 fingers and the vibrations stopped so I knew I was in a dream, I got up and I was in a neighbourhood close to me. I did try to notice all the details and did some RC's for control. That is so cool! Well done I had read that I could shout "more clarity" for more clarity and I did so but my voice didnt work, and when I did it with louder voice I almost woke up IRL and my eyes just got white, the dream dissapeared and everything was white. Ahh, the dream must have been too unstable, just try to remain concious and it should work. Maybe it doesn't work very well for use, why not just use your senses in the dream. Sounds like a great LD all together, so well done there I've got some targets for you: - Your recall sounds good, just make sure you keep that recall up to scratch - If you think SSILD is working well for you keep at it, if not try a WBTB MILD, I'm pretty sure it's a similar concept though - Try out an awareness and see if it works, but you sound like me, I have unrealistic dreams and although I am naturally quite aware I can't relate my dreams to real life. But I hope it works for you - Reality check when something strange happens - Keep writing your progression here Your doing great, keep it up

[Despierto]

Thanks a lot, I will. - Try out an awareness and see if it works, but you sound like me, I have unrealistic dreams and although I am naturally quite aware I can't relate my dreams to real life. But I hope it works for you What do you mean try out an awareness? How do I do that?

[Arch]

Thanks a lot, I will. What do you mean try out an awareness? How do I do that? There is alot of awareness techniques out there, the basic idea is that you are more aware of your surroundings in hope that this in increase the chance you are aware that it's a dream. I've listed to well known methods below, if you have any further questions, just ask http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/all-da...gyoshi-113253/ < All Day Awareness Puffin's DILD Guide - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views < Random awareness

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There is alot of awareness techniques out there, the basic idea is that you are more aware of your surroundings in hope that this in increase the chance you are aware that it's a dream. I've listed to well known methods below, if you have any further questions, just ask http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/all-da...gyoshi-113253/ < All Day Awareness Puffin's DILD Guide - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views < Random awareness Oh alright, I will read those. Another night Honestly this night I didn't do so good, mostly because I was up too late watching the champions league semifinals. I got about a total of 6 hours of sleep (way too little for me) and according to dreamZ app which is quite accurate, I've gotten 1 hour of rem. I was too tired to write down my dreams during the night so I only recalled 1 dream from the morning when I went up to go to school. I woke up at 3, forgot to do any technique and went to sleep. Then I woke up again sometime later and noticed I've managed to lay still so I attempted DEILD. I then soon after felt the vibrations I always get before DEILD and I think I accidentally focused on it too hard and on my physical body because I got snapped out of it and back to reality instead of into a dream. Tonight I expect a rem rebound and I will also be able to sleep in for as long as I need. So I'm confident about an experienceful night

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One more night: I slept very well but I didn't become aware of waking up until one time at 5:30(6 hours after i went to sleep). I wrote down my previous dream which was very long and vivid and then I did some SSILD and went to sleep. The next thing I found myself aware inside of a dream, which I at the moment have weak recall of but I remember the main events. Although I didn't remember to do any good stabilisation in the dream. Then I woke up after the LD which felt like about 20 minutes, then I went back to sleep and woke up to go to school with another vivid and long normal dream to write down. I'm pretty happy with the DILD even though I like DEILDs better because of more awareness but this was nice also. What I couldve done better is wake up 1-2 times more during the night even though I can't really control it. Also I failed to lay still after the dream I recalled in the night.

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Last two nights I've simply been too tired to recall or wake up after my dreams at all, haven't even heard the audio cue from my app during the night a single time. Tonight I'll go to bed early. Hopefully I get back into the rhythm of my good recall.

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This night I went to bed earlier like I said I would and I recalled 3 decently vivid dreams. No Lucids though. Atleast I'm back on track! And my next one is close, I can feel it.

[gab]

Good job on your recall and vivid dreams. And congrats on your lucid! Have you tried a mantra to help you stay still for DEILD? "I wake up from a dream and stay still". It may work. I like your attitude. Keep up your enthusiasm! Happy dreams

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Good job on your recall and vivid dreams. And congrats on your lucid! Have you tried a mantra to help you stay still for DEILD? "I wake up from a dream and stay still". It may work. I like your attitude. Keep up your enthusiasm! Happy dreams Yes thanks for the tip. Tonight I had 5 chained DEILDs. It was amazing. First I woke up at 4.30 (5 hours after I've fallen asleep) and failed to lay still or something, atleast I got too concious to preform an imidiate DEILD. So I did some SSILD reps and repeated the mantra to lay still when I wake up. So I woke up again at like 5.30 and managed to lay still so I entered a DEILD. I was very aware and it was very vivid. I used some awareness techniques in the dream and when it ended I just kept laying still and got into a new one. This kept on going for 5 dreams 5 rather short, but vivid and decent awareness. I remember the noseplug failed me once but i did another RC and it worked just to keep on confirming its a dream. At my last LD I got the idea to ask the dream what it represented and so I did, I was on some stairs outside a school, much like hogwarts and then when I asked it, a beautiful tall woman appeared behind me and whispered "The happiness". It was soo cool. I also had a feeling that I had a shared dream, I had a party in one of these LDs and I talked to my friend compelling him we were dreaming. When he finally believed me I made him promise to remember the dream in the morning. But now I'm pretty sure he was a full projection. I'll ask him just in case xD Also I've been practicing a lot of ADA in school today. It was my first day without headphones and music 24/7. I didnt listen to music once, since it makes me unaware of the present. Edit: the woman who answered me was not just tall, she was.. taller than normal people. I would say about 2.20 meters.

[gab]

Wow, that's awesome. I'm so happy for you Dream representing your happiness is so cool. I have read you can get some amazing answers. Have you tried "Show me something beautiful", Show me something important for me to see", Show me my most successfull past life incarnation", "Let me experience unconditional love", "What is purpose of my life", "Take me where I can learn".... Happy dreams

[Hukif]

I see you do a lot of SSILD (Which is actually a specialized WBTB...) and one of the reasons it works is because it helps you wake up your mind forcefully like CAT does using the cycles, it also wakes up your mind slightly and thus increases chances of DILD. So if you think its working, maybe you could give CAT (A kind of DILD) a try and see how it goes? CAT stands for Cycle Adjustment Technique and requires you to change the normal cycles of sleep and give them a lot of RCs, once you are accustomed to the new cycle you are supposed to switch back. Since your body will be in the RC cycle by now, when the time of RCs comes your awareness will increase and your dream self should do RCs and become a free lucid. Also the other thing of SSILD, waking up your mind slightly, you can do by attempting a WBTB but making it short that you will somewhat wake up your mind but not so much that it will be hard to get back to sleep.

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Wow, that's awesome. I'm so happy for you Dream representing your happiness is so cool. I have read you can get some amazing answers. Have you tried "Show me something beautiful", Show me something important for me to see", Show me my most successfull past life incarnation", "Let me experience unconditional love", "What is purpose of my life", "Take me where I can learn".... Happy dreams Haha thanks, Yea those sound cool. ill see if I can remember to use any of these next time. Really nice suggestions. I see you do a lot of SSILD (Which is actually a specialized WBTB...) and one of the reasons it works is because it helps you wake up your mind forcefully like CAT does using the cycles, it also wakes up your mind slightly and thus increases chances of DILD. So if you think its working, maybe you could give CAT (A kind of DILD) a try and see how it goes? CAT stands for Cycle Adjustment Technique and requires you to change the normal cycles of sleep and give them a lot of RCs, once you are accustomed to the new cycle you are supposed to switch back. Since your body will be in the RC cycle by now, when the time of RCs comes your awareness will increase and your dream self should do RCs and become a free lucid. Also the other thing of SSILD, waking up your mind slightly, you can do by attempting a WBTB but making it short that you will somewhat wake up your mind but not so much that it will be hard to get back to sleep. Thanks for the clarification, I've wondered why SSILD works so good for me, I even asked the guy that presented this method on this forums and I'm not sure if I got an accurate answer like yours. Anyway I'll look into CAT, but I'm not sure if I can do it since I have school and stuff and have to sleep at almost specific times. And yes I never get up at my wbtb for SSILD, I only reach for my pen and write down my recent dream, look around my room a little and then get to it. The times I manage to do 3-5 repetitions, Im most successful. If I fall asleep too soon I usually just have vivid dreams without lucidity. Edit: tonight I recalled 1 long dream and a short one, no lucidity though. I think I was too tired and I didnt manage to do many ssild reps. I was physically tired.

[Arch]

Well done daban keep up the GREAT work! Are you waking yourself up naturally or by alarm?

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Well done daban keep up the GREAT work! Are you waking yourself up naturally or by alarm? Thank you, I will. Well that, I'm not quite sure of. Because I have an app on my iphone that plays an audio cue once every rem it detects and it's either that or I'm waking up naturally(for the wbtb). When I wake up I have no memory of hearing the sound but still I wake up and it does play. Although after my wbtb with SSILD repetitions when I fall asleep again I wake up hearing this sound and it reminds me to lay still and I preform the DEILDs. I'll just post my current "rituals" and practices. For myself to keep track on them and for you if you want to comment anything During the day, everytime I remember it in school I do ADA, I try to use all my senses also I practice sending nervesignals to move certain parts of my body without actually moving them. just imagining my bodyparts move(I read its a good practice) My ADA practice contains meditational mindsets and stuff I picked up from the "Tenzin-Wangyal-Rinpoche-The-Tibetan-Yogas-Of-Dream-And-Sleep" (such as repeating to myself whats going on or how i feel to realise its just a feeling or a happening because of previous karmic traces and so on, just to not have a dualistic view so I can see things from outer perspective). Then I sometimes also meditate during the day if I find time and inspiration. When I go to bed I drink a glass of applejuice and try to clear my mind of thoughts from my day and stuff, I also do some mantras to fall asleep. I put on my app and almost always wakeup 4-5 hours after I went to sleep(if i wake up earlier, I just write down my previous dreams and go back to sleep) and when I wake up 4-5 hours after I've went to bed(the main wbtb) I write down my dreams again and do SSILD, avoiding getting out of my bed, again here I do some mantras to wake up and lay still or just to get lucid in my dreams. Hopefully I manage to do 3-4reps before falling asleep and then I may wake up about 1 hour later by the sound of my app and hopefully I manage to lay still and do DEILD. Other times I have false awakenings or DILDs which is good also. And sometimes if I fail to do enough SSILD reps, I usually just have 1-2 vivid and long dreams after the wbtb without lucidity. A thing to add is I've noticed that if I go to the gym I usually get too tired to wake up for wbtb or do enough ssild reps and so on, or wake up by the app.

[Arch]

Sounds like you have your routine sorted, just keep at it, I have no doubt you will.

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Ok so this weekend I failed pretty much because it's weekend and I sleep differently(I get out of my usual sleep cycles) but I still recalled a decent amount of dreams(about 5 in total from friday and saturday) and monday I went to sleep very early and I've gotten use to sleeping late so sunday night was screwed too. but due to that I fell asleep late and woke up early so I haad some rem rebound to make atleast I guess. So monday night I took about 45 mg b6 vitamins(+ some other vitamins) and went to sleep(first time I use supplements) I went to sleep pretty early because I was going up early so I went to bed 9.30 and fell asleep about 10.10~. I experienced something unusual, I had a very long and vivid dream before waking up at 2.30 when usually I don't even recall any dreams. A little about the dream: I was walking with some friends on a hill that use to be a way to my old school and then some shit happend random dream stuff and all of a sudden we were at my friends house and he said there were a new patch for minecraft(a game he plays) so we were like.. cool.. and then he created this world in the game and we kinda entered it and inside there it was a dream, and in that dream I was lucid(but still i had no idea what i was doing even though i knew it was a dream and i didnt remember to stabilize or anything) so I don't know I guess you call this a semiLD even though it was a semild it was really nice dream and I'm quite satisfied with it So I wrote that down when I woke up 2.30 and did some ssild, i think i managed to do 2 reps and fell asleep. I woke up again at 5.30 and was about to write my previous dream but I didn't want to become to aware so I only wrote one sentence and now I cant remember more than what I wrote xD. Then I fell asleep and woke up again for school at 06.40 and I wasnt fast enough to write down that dream either . But the preWBTB dream was pretty cool and it might have been due to the vitamins and all the ADA and meditation I had been doing that day.

[gab]

The vivid dream sounds cool. I have had some vivid and detailed dreams with 50 and 100 mg of B6. So it's totally possible. I don;t know what to make of dreams, when you dream you are lucid. I have those too, and not sure what to think of them. One thing is sure, that your daytime practice is manifesting itself in your dreams, which is great. Keep doing the awareness, mantras and RCs. Happy dreams

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thanks Yesterdaynight I took 45mg b6 again and had this prewbtb dream again and also two dreams after the wbtb. However this night, I took a break from the SSILD and when I woke up at 4 for the wbtb I instead went to sleep with the intension of being aware of the awakenings and to do repetitions from the book "School of out of body travel" and something interesting happened. I noticed a awakening soon after the wbtb and did the Swimming(imagine yourself swiming) and then I did Rotation(imagine yourself rotating from head to your toes) and as third I did Hand vizualisation(imagine yourself rubbing yourhands). So after doing this about 2 reps I started to get some very vivid images infront of me. Just random things from different dream scenes but I was totally awake, so dreampictures switched by my eyelids in total awake state but I couldnt enter the dreams, I was too awake. Then I don't know I guess I fell asleep. Woke up like 2 times more and did the reps and pretty much the same thing here, I saw stuff and had no problems vizualising and imagining but I couldn't enter any dream, I was too awake and suddenly I Was asleep. I will do this technique some more nights and see what happens. Edit: the images I got was nothing more than images, no other senses were involved. Perhaps I should've tried to feel the things I saw and hear stuff from the things that were played infront of my eyes.

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Ok so this night I had success! I took the supplements and went to bed, I woke up at 2 o'clock with 1 dream to recall but it was pretty long and vivid. Then I woke up again at 4(wbtb) with THREE more dreams. 1 shorter and two pretty long which I forgot some details about. So at the wbtb I didnt get out of bed, I just wrote my dreams and did some SSILD reps and intended to be aware of each awakening and try to "leave my body". So I woke up and it all feels very real but I just got the idea to RC and it worked, I was in a dream, I was "out of my body" and was in my own house. I imidiately began to crawl and look around, I touched the floor, some things in my room, I tasted my arm and then I decided to go find a mirror. But I woke up instead and just layed still and then I got thrown back into the dream and was on my way to the mirror. I decided to talk to my little brother on the way and so I did(also i dont remember much walking, it was more like that I just appeared where I intended to go in the house). So I talked to him and then I woke up again but in a false awakening, and in that false awakening I got thrown back into the dream and it felt like I had double concious but with TWO dream bodied(whereof one I thought was my physical body but now afterwards I realise it wasnt) so I was scared to wake up in the "physical body" and it felt like i was sleep walking in my house everywhere I was walking in the dream. Then I actually woke up(i think) and got thrown back into a new OBE, I walked out of my bed but this time my room were different and I went to the bathroom and it was different too. I looked myself in the mirror and I had demon eyes but I didnt get so freaked out, I just looked closer and it looked more like irritation in the eyes. So I tried to teleport to different locations but it didnt work. Instead I started to spin but it didnt work either. I didnt have any control and all of a sudden I got thrown into a new false awakening which I imidaitely knew was a dream but this time I knew I had no control so I didnt try to do anything. Just to look around and wait for waking up (sad story). My problem is either that my dreams are very very instable or that I'm making them instable my thinking they will be instable. I guess I'll try to remember that they will be long and stable if i expect it. Anyway, I'm very satisified with tonight, I recalled 4 dreams and had many lucid events.

[Hukif]

Good, you are doing great keep at it. Another thing for stabilization that works for me is closing one eye and focusing on some object with the other one, since my field of vision is cut in half it enhances the other senses and will make the dream stabilize quickly.

[Despierto]

Good, you are doing great keep at it. Another thing for stabilization that works for me is closing one eye and focusing on some object with the other one, since my field of vision is cut in half it enhances the other senses and will make the dream stabilize quickly. oh ok, I'll try that. thanks!