Thread: Windhover@'s Workbook

Day 1 (12/27/13)

I figured out how to do 'new' ADA.

At first, I'd start paying attention to surroundings and being present with the moment. Then I'd question reality with 'is this a dream?' 'am I dreaming?' questions to feel that I'm dreaming and everything is illusion. (Pretending that I'm dreaming won't work.) Then when I'd feel completely lucid, I RC and imagine what I would do after getting lucid through simple visualization. After that, I'd come back to reality and maintain that lucidity while doing ADA. Then I take a break. I repeat 3-4 times a day.

Also I figured that the more you do new ADA the closer the bedtime you'll likely dream about it. Randomly doing ADA/ RC in the morning or early afternoon kinda makes me stressed.

But on the day 1 I was very physically tired and went to bed late.

Result: I dreamed of getting lucid from doubting the dream environment but I don't remember anything what I did.



Day 2 (12/28/13)

I did the same thing from yesterday - did the new ADA 4 times a day.

Result: here's my DJ New ADA training showing promises - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I remembered 8 dreams! Also for the first time my habit from reality showed up in dreams. I doubted the dream environment while doing ADA 3 times and one out of them I got lucid. But my dream got unstable soon I woke up.


This is much faster progress I've ever experience than any other things. I'll keep it up

I agree with you that awareness and critical questioning have to work together at the same time. I have noticed that when i don´t put as much effort on critical questioning, i got "only" very vivid dreams and good recall. I think ADA tutorial ( KingYoshi´s ) also acknowledges the importance of RC, but somehow the word ADA is misleading, don´t you think ?

Originally Posted by VagalTone

I agree with you that awareness and critical questioning have to work together at the same time. I have noticed that when i don´t put as much effort on critical questioning, i got "only" very vivid dreams and good recall. I think ADA tutorial ( KingYoshi´s ) also acknowledges the importance of RC, but somehow the word ADA is misleading, don´t you think ?

I agree, KingYoshi's ADA is missing 'questioning reality' part in his tutorial, and also the word choice is misleading like you said. Well it can be done all day, but not necessarily. Maybe he naturally does question reality at the same time while doing ADA, but the problem is he didn't really emphasized it in the tutorial, or just excluded it, which made people misinterpret ADA!
When I found about Tibetan dream yoga it actually has the same method from ADA - paying attention to the surroundings, but it additionally includes 'questioning reality' part. No wonder why tibetan monks are always lucid in dream!

I think it should be called either All Day Awareness and Questioning(ADAQ) or just Awareness and Questioning (AQ).

Oh, i thought he did ( so he lied to me ) you can read his reply to my post. my post is #75, his post is #79

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ucidity-3.html

As you can see this is a position i hold for some time, although i haven´t practiced ADA+RC for too long. Recently, i have tried to devise a new ADA+RC strategy. And i know you have too ! I find the idea of counting footsteps somehow helpful on the ADA side, as to help to remember to RC. That´s what i have done in the last few days.

And tibetan monks they work very hard, i think. And they try to believe « this is just a dream». We try to prove «this is not a dream», lol

Originally Posted by VagalTone

Oh, i thought he did ( so he lied to me ) you can read his reply to my post. my post is #75, his post is #79

http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...ucidity-3.html

As you can see this is a position i hold for some time, although i haven´t practiced ADA+RC for too long. Recently, i have tried to devise a new ADA+RC strategy. And i know you have too ! I find the idea of counting footsteps somehow helpful on the ADA side, as to help to remember to RC. That´s what i have done in the last few days.

And tibetan monks they work very hard, i think. And they try to believe « this is just a dream». We try to prove «this is not a dream», lol

Oh ok, so he did mention about critical questioning part. I may have just forgotten that he wrote that part in his tutorial, lol. Maybe because it wasn't emphasized that much. Although his tutorial is the best, it is so long with wall of text so it's hard to find what things you should do.

I think being aware of surrounding and critical questioning should be 1:1 ratio of time you're putting in. Just RCing wouldn't make it effective, though it's a good trigger to make you lucid. So what I do is - it actually takes a while for me to feel that everything is completely illusion/ dream (see, what he said about 'pretending that everything is dream', is that just 'pretending' won't work, cuz you're lying to yourself. I did this bunch of times and it NEVER worked, what you actually have to do is you have to get completely being lucid 'feeling' just like how you suddenly get lucid in any other dream with 'holy shit I'm dreaming!' feeling - you have to make that same feeling from LD). When I feel that everything is completely dream, then I do RC, but I don't stop. I take the same amount of time I got to 'RC point' for maintaining lucid feeling. That way I can build more the feeling of 'dreaming' so I can get lucid.

So basically at first, I try to get lucid without RCing, even though I use it to confirm eventually. Good luck with your ADA+RC too

Oh, i think i share that idea of trying to imagine you become lucid ! Again, i haven´t done it very often in the last times, but it was something i did when i was practicing ADA+RC, and sometimes i would get a strange feeling ( like a very strong belief ) that i would be lucid that night. And i would indeed. Somehow, i think, it worked like hypnosis our autosuggestion and really sanked in.

I have started this thread, oh i am just advertising myself too much, lol, in which i put some ideas about that dreamy-feeling. If you wanna check out

Thank you. Good luck for you too.

Welcome to the DILD workbooks! I think you have chosen a great way to track what is working and what isn't!

Thanks fogelbise

Day 3 (12/29/13)

Yesterday I think I did too much. I had my ego and expectation back. My thoughts overwhelmed all over again before bed.
I think it's because I relied on the result too much....

Result: During the night I only had non-LDs, but I noticed that my recall for the early dreams has enhanced.

I managed to get 2 LDs in the late morning though, here's my DJ today's dreams + LD - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

I got lucid simply by doubting the dream and then RCing. It works great!

Tonight I'm just gonna chill...


EDIT: BTW I'm gonna switch RC to RRC. Yesterday when I was doing ADA I noticed that I couldn't get full lucidity right away with just breathing RC and/or nose RC. So I did RRC, assuming that I was sleeping before, and it gave me full lucidity.

I think the question 'how did I end up here?' gives me more lucidity than 'am I dreaming?' one. At least for me... that's why RRC never fails!

Originally Posted by Windhover@

EDIT: BTW I'm gonna switch RC to RRC. Yesterday when I was doing ADA I noticed that I couldn't get full lucidity right away with just breathing RC and/or nose RC. So I did RRC, assuming that I was sleeping before, and it gave me full lucidity.

I think the question 'how did I end up here?' gives me more lucidity than 'am I dreaming?' one. At least for me... that's why RRC never fails!

I like this Windhover@ I assume that you mean you are doing this during the day or did you also do the RRC consciously in the dream as well? I can see it carrying over subconsciously into the dream as well.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I like this Windhover@ I assume that you mean you are doing this during the day or did you also do the RRC consciously in the dream as well? I can see it carrying over subconsciously into the dream as well.

Yeah, I do it during the day. I think I have done RRC in dream 2-3 times, and all of them gave me faster and higher lucidity than other triggers - spotting something weird and just knowing that I'm dreaming. Even if I'd get lucid I sometimes don't remember what I really planned to do beforehand. But with RRC I remembered fully from RL lol

Day 4 (12/30/13)

I just chilled yesterday. Good to take a rest from LDing sometimes

Result: But I had really impressive dreams.today's dreams - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

They now seem more 'continuous' and realistic. I pay attention to the background more and the senses in dream (especially sound) became very clear and vivid!

Originally Posted by Windhover@

They now seem more 'continuous' and realistic. I pay attention to the background more and the senses in dream (especially sound) became very clear and vivid!

Nice progress! I take breaks as well. A day or two here and there seems good to longer term progress though lately I have let that slip to multiple days and it started showing. I look forward to your continued progress.

Day 5 (12/31/13)

I guess I'm really progressing lol

Yesterday I only did AQ(awareness and questioning) with RRC 2 times. And just let it chill.

During the night I had the intent to WILD, or just try to get lucid(I don't really remember).
Then I fell asleep...

Result: I was in non-LD, and doubted it was dream. So I flew and it worked, I got lucid!

Also I noticed how my lucidity got higher than before. I remembered all the things I read in DV and just tried to go with the flow of the dream(which is my goal). I stabilized the dream as much as I could, and practiced fake shared-lucid-dream with my dream partner. The dream seemed a little longer than usual. Also it was more vivid as well.

But somehow I was nervous of waking up at the same time, and this was interpreted into a rampaging guy shooting with a gun I think, and woke up with his threatening gunshot at someone lol

My DJ Fake SLD with Kat - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Day 6 (1/1/13)

Happy new year!

I got drunk last night and went to bed late lol

Result: but my dreams are getting more realistic and vivid. Recall is still good. today's dreams - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Tonight I'll have plenty of sleep, and I don't think I'm gonna have LD though tomorrow night since I sleepover at my friend's house

I just wanted to let you know that I was inspired by your enthusiasm for your new focus and I also put more focus towards the whole "how did I end up here" RC/RRC and I think it has helped me. I tend to let things slack a little or start trying new things, so it was good to get back to putting more focus on the RRC than I had been recently.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

I just wanted to let you know that I was inspired by your enthusiasm for your new focus and I also put more focus towards the whole "how did I end up here" RC/RRC and I think it has helped me. I tend to let things slack a little or start trying new things, so it was good to get back to putting more focus on the RRC than I had been recently.

I'm glad you switched to RRC! I know everyone has their own comfortable RC, but objectively RRC is the most efficient RC. Even advanced LDers guarantee it

Btw, I realized something in the night before I went to my friend's house. I read a fitness article that also apply to LDing as well, at least for me: "consistency is the way to succeed. Stopping and then starting lowers the momentum of your will. The more you do 'stopping and then starting', the less your will momentum will be. Don't prove your ability to others, prove it to YOURSELF."

I knew consistency was the key to success, but I never realized that 'stopping and then starting' caused more laziness. I found out how I would always get lazy all over again after I make awesome LD plans that I thought those would be successful. I would always take a break few days a week.

EDIT: also till I realized this I tried to prove my LDing ability to others. I never seriously thought about proving to myself. This has motivated me more to keep the consistency

I already wrote that I was gonna practice my awareness routines every day, but with some breaks if I ever need to. But now I'm really gonna practice it every day no matter what happens, even if I'm busy, if I have no sleep, etc. These can be done in 10-20 minutes, and I can't never make any excuse that I couldn't do the practice while I was awake for 16 hours. As long as I'm AWAKE I can do AQ/RC at ant time, even if I'm busy, so I can't never take break from it.

Also AQ/RC doesn't requires focus at all. It actually forms because you 'think' you need focus on it. At first time it will need some focus and concentration, but once you're used to it you don't need to put effort in it at all.

Anyway just wanted to write these notes as for my workbook progress records


Day 7 (1/2/14)

Result: I actually had LDs through unconscious WILD. It wasn't entirely unconscious, I just set up my intent to do it during WBTB. So using WBTB quite can be useful every night...No need to entirely rely on DILD. hmmm. Although DILD is my priority, I'm gonna attempt any LD induction technique for WBTB every night as well.


Day 8 (1/3/14)

I had no sleep lol


Day 9 (1/4/14)

Result: Short dreams after smoking weed, but I still managed to have LDs through WILDs at the end of the morning. Also in my normal dream I was semi-LD, doubting the dream a little. DJ: 1/2/14 LDs, dragon in the money chamber - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views


Gonna try more stabilization in next LDs!

Also, I'm reaching 400 LDs. I think I reached 300 LDs in last May I think... still not enough for me I'm gonna aim for both quality and quantity lol

Day 10 (1/5/14)

I had an intent to get LD during WBTB.

Result: I got a LD again. WBTB is really useful once you just set the intent. DJ: today's dreams + LD(Gahng) - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
Also in my normal dream I did slight AQ. Nice to see noticeable progression

I gotta practice more stabilization in LD next time.

Day 11 (1/6/14)

I didn't attempt anything during WBTB.

Result: Got LDs....again!! But it happened in very early REM stage so I barely remember haha. But it's something. I was just lucid right away without any reason. I think my mind is finally getting what 'dreaming' feeling is so I get lucid all of a sudden, thanks to practicing AQ every day without a break.

I had really physically and emotionally intense non-LD at the end though lol My DJ: LDs + Intense Kenpo Fight - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

It seems that you are on to something that works really well for you! About how many times per day average do you AQ?

Originally Posted by fogelbise

It seems that you are on to something that works really well for you! About how many times per day average do you AQ?

I think the key point to LDing practice is that not only you have to find something that suits you, you have to find something that really works
Anyway, I do 2-3 times of AQ during the day, each lasting about 5-10 minutes. More than 3 times strains me, but less than 2 is too low I think. I said AQ/ADA can be done even when you're busy, but since at first it's hard and requires concentration, it's easier to do it when you're having some carefree moment, like while taking shower, being in a car, or walking to somewhere else. I've only started to get used to doing AQs on day 11 lol


Day 12 (1/7/14)

Went to bed too late last night...my recall went down and didn't do anything for WBTB again. but..

Result: I got DILD in the very early REM stage. My lucidity was low though, just controlling dream around whatever came into my mind.

I guess this is how it works - if you practice awareness every day, without a break(rather than break, you shouldn't 'skip' a day), makes all of your dream lucid gradually

DJ will soon be written....
EDIT: it's kinda short http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/wind...-batman-54223/

Originally Posted by Windhover@

I think the key point to LDing practice is that not only you have to find something that suits you, you have to find something that really works
Anyway, I do 2-3 times of AQ during the day, each lasting about 5-10 minutes. More than 3 times strains me, but less than 2 is too low I think. I said AQ/ADA can be done even when you're busy, but since at first it's hard and requires concentration, it's easier to do it when you're having some carefree moment, like while taking shower, being in a car, or walking to somewhere else. I've only started to get used to doing AQs on day 11 lol

Good point. I was imagining it being something that took much less than 5-10 minutes, just a quick how did I get here and "retracing your steps" so to speak. Do you mind describing a typical AQ for you or just your last AQ?

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Good point. I was imagining it being something that took much less than 5-10 minutes, just a quick how did I get here and "retracing your steps" so to speak. Do you mind describing a typical AQ for you or just your last AQ?

Well it can take less than 5 min, depending on how you get the feeling of dreaming well. I don't really measure time of it, but it feels like more than 5 min at least for me to do it.

Alright, so here's how I typically do. First of all, I think there's a need to combine ADA + questioning reality + RC altogether to make AQ more efficient. Because when you do AQ without RCing, you'll probably dream of doubting the dream, but it takes longer time to get lucid for real. So when RC comes with it, it gives you 'wow I'm dreaming!' not 'huh I'm dreaming', making you fully lucid quickly. So it's not just 'meh I'm dreaming...' more like 'holy sh*t, I'm DREAMING!' feeling lol. That way you can get the feeling of dreaming instantly.

When I start AQ, I first do ADA, being aware of surroundings, paying attention to all 5 senses. Then a moment later I would try to get the intense feeling that everything is dream. At first it's hard to get the feeling 'completely', so I start asking myself 'am I dreaming?'....'is this dream?'....'I'm dreaming.'....the point here is that questions themselves don't make you lucid. You should 'use' them to get the feeling of dreaming. Also too many questions at once will disturb ADA, so I take it slowly with calmness in my mind. (because it's part of meditation.) And eventually I RRC 'wait, how did I end up here?' ....then I remember back how I got here by creating FAKE memory of 'blackout'. Or sleeping before bed. I would think 'how did I end up here? lemme think back....wait, I don't remember anything! or wait, I was just sleeping!' like this.

Then the feeling of all surroundings being dream would come up to the surface. That feeling has to be intense. If I get the total feeling that I'm dreaming and everything's dream, I nose-RC as last straw, and visualize how it would be after I nose-RCed. For example, 'oh I can breathe. This is dream. First I'm gonna get out of this house. I'm stabilizing. What did I plan to do in LD? Oh, I'm supposed to morph into a wolf. I remember. Then I morph into wolf...' like this kind of scenario. After remembering some of my LD plans and try to carry out, I end the visualization and I come back to reality, still maintaining my lucidity, while acting normally not jumping off a bridge to fly or sth like that. Also I maintain the feeling of dreaming as well. I would feel that my family is DC, my room is completely illusion, my computer is dream computer etc, to maintain the feeling.

I'd maintain it till I feel like I need a break. Then I let go of it and return to RL. With these it should take at least 3 minutes total.

My description kinda got long, but it doesn't mean that you have to follow every step. If you can follow my exact steps and it also works for you as well, then my way can be the best way. Just make sure that you have to 'intensely' believe everything is dream.

Just make sure that you have to 'intensely' believe everything is dream

So, you are simulating the process of becoming lucid ! What a straightforward way to prepare for lucidity ! I think this exercise deserves attention

Originally Posted by VagalTone

So, you are simulating the process of becoming lucid ! What a straightforward way to prepare for lucidity ! I think this exercise deserves attention

That's the same exact exercise from Tholey's method you quoted in one of your threads lol