Thread: Barry's DILD course workbook

Great job on the lucids, keep it up, and yes, work more intensely perhaps on dream recall -- you may want to review my recall tips, the link is in my signature. Also, review the messages in the "important links" thread in this forum:

http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/15603...ive-links.html

But I decided not to as I didn't want my brother to see me do a reality check as he was sat next to me! And yes I've done this in waking life, you got to laugh sometimes!

This is why I never stop myself from RCing in public or in having "lucid moments" when I feel the thought arise. I just tell myself they're all DCs anyway so who cares.

Since my last update, I have had another two lucid dreams. Both only a few seconds long, the last one I had was this morning after taking G+C, I really struggled to get to sleep though, and my recall was very poor. But I've got more motivated recently, and my aim is 4+ lucids in July, one a week!

Good luck with your goals, congrats on your lucids! Having a well-rehearsed "just got lucid" ritual can help extend the ones that can be saved (meaning you're not already done with dreaming/sleeping).

Try to keep consistent effort on daytime awareness and recall at night, over time these build up to the point where lucidity happens more and more frequently.

Consistency has been by problem recently, mostly with the dream journal.

But I'm fully dedicated to the cause now!

Good to see you around here again Barry. The mindset that really helps me extend many of my LD's when they seem to be fading is: Not following the "normal" path back to my waking body. Try not to over think it. Consciously or unconsciously many people expect to wake up when the dream is fading…really knowing that there is another option seems to open up the option to continue dreaming much more often. I got this idea from Sageous in an NREM discussion and it clicked for me. I like to think of it as floating in the ether…staying with my dream body (usually in the void) knowing that I need not return to my waking body. Sometimes you are just at the end of REM, but don't expect that you are or that "it is over." It is even easier with the G+C combo.

Decided to take the G+Ch last night, like a lot of people I find it hard to sleep after taking it so I never take it too often. It gave me two lucids last night, and I had multiple FA's. My memory of the lucids are a bit foggy, possibly because instead of waking up from the lucids immediately, I instead had a FA and then woke up. But I was definitely lucid. They were both relatively short, 1st one about 10 seconds and the 2nd maybe 20-30 seconds. G+Ch is brilliant though, even on just 4mg and 250 Ch it consistently gives me lucids!

Originally Posted by fogelbise

The mindset that really helps me extend many of my LD's when they seem to be fading is: Not following the "normal" path back to my waking body. Try not to over think it. Consciously or unconsciously many people expect to wake up when the dream is fading…really knowing that there is another option seems to open up the option to continue dreaming much more often.

This happened in my first LD last night, it started to fade and then it got clear again. I decided to wake up though as I had a wet dream

Awesome! I am glad the fade redirect is working for you! Congrats on your LD's!!..and on your cum-pletion…haha. A year or so back I had a sexual LD so convincing that I was sure I was going to wake up to find that I had my first wet dream in decades…alas it wasn't so…haha.

Thanks haha

Your lucky, I hate wet dreams!

Since I started trying to Lucid dream again in February 2015, I've had 17 lucid dreams, around 10 at least I'd say have been from G+Ch. Kind of disappointing really, but It could be worse I suppose. I took G+Ch again last night, 4mg galantamine + 250 choline. In one of the dreams I got a feeling I was dreaming, and the finger reality check failed twice! but on the 3rd attempt I counted 6 fingers on each hand and became fully lucid. I remained calm, rubbed my hands together and told myself 'this is a dream', but I 'woke up' into an FA before waking up for real. It's a bit frustrating, I'm not sure why I keep waking up!

You should consider those as 17 successes, many people try for years and never get lucid at all, so that's quite an achievement!

Waking up "too soon" happens sometimes, particularly in the first bunch of LDs. Having a pre-planned "just got lucid!" ritual including slowing down, looking around, rubbing your hands, acknowledging your being lucid in a dream, can really help the dreams last longer. The initial excitement does wear off a bit in time and that helps to maintain the dream longer.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

You should consider those as 17 successes, many people try for years and never get lucid at all, so that's quite an achievement!

Waking up "too soon" happens sometimes, particularly in the first bunch of LDs. Having a pre-planned "just got lucid!" ritual including slowing down, looking around, rubbing your hands, acknowledging your being lucid in a dream, can really help the dreams last longer. The initial excitement does wear off a bit in time and that helps to maintain the dream longer.

Thanks, It's okay I guess, but I want more!

I'll add that stuff when I MILD, I've just been doing the rubbing hands bit.

Thanks, It's okay I guess, but I want more!

I totally understand. So do I! And not just more, but higher quality.

The key to this is daytime awareness and mindfulness practice. Pay attention to life, with the idea of always wanting to recognize the dream state. Try to catch unusual situations right as they happen. I've been realizing after-the-fact a lot recently that I missed a perfect RC situation. So try to stay clear and questioning and "tuned in" at all times.

Add to that working for more and more dream recall. These two together result in vivid, long dreams, and lucidity. They take time to develop, but stay steady and consistent in your practice.

Did MILD at WBTB last night, ended up having a dream about doing MILD at WBTB

Night before that I had a dream about telling people about a lucid dream book!

I'm confident and dedicated at the moment, so the non supplement induced lucid's will come I'm sure.

I'm going to take 8mg G+Ch tonight, off on holiday for 2 weeks so I won't take it again for a while. Usually only take 4mg. Is 8mg much better than 4mg?

Originally Posted by Barry

Did MILD at WBTB last night, ended up having a dream about doing MILD at WBTB

Night before that I had a dream about telling people about a lucid dream book!

I'm confident and dedicated at the moment, so the non supplement induced lucid's will come I'm sure.

I'm going to take 8mg G+Ch tonight, off on holiday for 2 weeks so I won't take it again for a while. Usually only take 4mg. Is 8mg much better than 4mg?

For you, only you can say. What is "better?" The tradeoffs could involve: getting to sleep faster (more dreaming time) vs. longer, more present dreams vs. not getting to sleep at all. Hidden tradeoffs may include longer vs. shorter desensitization.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

For you, only you can say. What is "better?" The tradeoffs could involve: getting to sleep faster (more dreaming time) vs. longer, more present dreams vs. not getting to sleep at all. Hidden tradeoffs may include longer vs. shorter desensitization.

I've tried 8mg once before and I had pretty bad sleep, but I'll probably try it again tonight, if I get bad sleep again I'll just stick to 4mg.

Decided on 4mg, didn't get lucid even though:

1. Wished I was dreaming when a teacher asked me a question I didn't know in class
2. There was an icecream on a menu, apparently from Inception
3. My brother was browsing 'Lucidimine pills' (weird, as I don't have this type)
4. I talked to my brother about lucid dreaming

My brain is frustrating!

Well it sounds like you were really close, since dreaming about lucid dreaming is a sure sign that lucidity will come very soon.

Unfortunately I stopped practicing about 4 weeks ago after a consistent 6 months On the bright side I've had 2 lucid dreams in 10 days! God knows how haha, and three lucid dreams in less than a month. I plan to start again slowly, firstly dream journaling again.

Congrats on the LDs! Sometimes we try so hard we exhaust ourselves in our practice, leaving our intention engines out of fuel for the night. LDing is all about finding the "just right" balance of focus and relaxation.

Had a minute long ld this morning, felt really realistic too!