Thread: anta's workbook(DEILD)

Hi
I'm 23. when I was a small child I remember to fly and some other lucid dream feelings. but I started to practice 2 years ago. Since then I have been constant with my intention. I have made a lot progress in recall and lucid general experience(usually I'm chaining lucid dreams, I have already had a few DEILDs since normal dreams). But doubts come me up always.

1. My main target is experiencing DEILDs frequently(I don't know if it is the correct place. but according to my approach, DEILD have more from DILD that WILD, due to quickly I need to become aware of end of dream, as first step) for it I need this:
1.1. Improve my dream recall quality and quantity. as well as reduce the time that I waste between awaking and recall.
1.2. Get to not move my body and through mental relaxation get a simple fast WILD.
2. My second aim is dream control and stabilization. also I have others like "to befriend with my insomnia"

I hope post at least once a week. Sorry if my english sometimes be odd.

Hi anta! You are welcome to use this space for your workbook. It can be a great way to track different things you are trying and how they are working for you. I know the most about DILD, but I have used DEILD some and I can check in and offer any tips that I think may help. Another DILD workbook member was having good success with DEILD (he was referring to it as CAN-WILD, using an auto-snoozing alarm to attempt to interrupt REM briefly in order to then DEILD back in with awareness. That workbook is: http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/16275...-workbook.html

The second link here includes some great recall tips: http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/15603...ive-links.html <and check out the other links here when you get a chance.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Hi anta! You are welcome to use this space for your workbook. It can be a great way to track different things you are trying and how they are working for you. I know the most about DILD, but I have used DEILD some and I can check in and offer any tips that I think may help. Another DILD workbook member was having good success with DEILD (he was referring to it as CAN-WILD, using an auto-snoozing alarm to attempt to interrupt REM briefly in order to then DEILD back in with awareness. That workbook is: http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/16275...-workbook.html

The second link here includes some great recall tips: http://www.dreamviews.com/dild/15603...ive-links.html <and check out the other links here when you get a chance.

Thanks for the links! gold. I find Broth's Workbook parallel to my insomnia

report of important experiences:
first thing that I did was, modify my sleep ritual. I was reading just before to sleep,I realized that this arouses me a bit. Now I read and then I do relaxing exercise(stretches and breathing)

also I have to compromise myself to put off my worryes during night, it seems complicated due to they are extremely adhesive, but it's a good attentionwork too.
Moreover I think that it can be handy to improve speed of recall

these nights regarding recall, they have not been good. but insomnia has gone.

Originally Posted by anta

report of important experiences:
first thing that I did was, modify my sleep ritual. I was reading just before to sleep,I realized that this arouses me a bit. Now I read and then I do relaxing exercise(stretches and breathing)

Nice adjustment!

also I have to compromise myself to put off my worryes during night, it seems complicated due to they are extremely adhesive, but it's a good attentionwork too.
Moreover I think that it can be handy to improve speed of recall

Agreed, very good! The best way I have found to deal with worries that pop during the night is to either mentally check them off as something I will address tomorrow/soon, or actually take a moment to write down the issue if it is something I am worried I will forget to do.

these nights regarding recall, they have not been good. but insomnia has gone.

That is a definite win!..and recall will improve with the appropriate effort. You might want to think about recall some time before laying down, kind of like you adjustment with reading before bed, at least for now. Basically just doing the relaxing exercise as your last thing before bed. At some point in the future, once you feel good with your ability to knock out insomnia almost anytime you want to, then you may want to consider auto-suggestions and mantras as you fall asleep.

thanks for tips.

report
I have followed advice to put off my worries. As soon as I was discovering myself making plans about next days or revising an experience. I remember "this not now".

Also like auto-suggestion, my sleep ritual adds now, just before to bed, to write in my nightstand's notebook about what I can improve regarding last night. At the beginning I accumulated notes but at last, I prefer to write in Tabula rasa(Blank slate)new every time due to illusion of competence.
Regarding mantras I did an experiment, I was to the basis"not to move muscles". so I said myself as me fall asleep"slacken body" to change phisical reflex of stretching-contracting immediate to REM atonia end.

As outcome insomnia cameback a bit. not because falling asleep take too time but shortly after I awake. I think that would be best if mantra only after first WBTB

recall dream was best. the majority of dreams were recall after move or think in another things, I have't yet got back awareness of accurate moment without too excitement

Originally Posted by anta

I have followed advice to put off my worries. As soon as I was discovering myself making plans about next days or revising an experience. I remember "this not now".

Very good!

Also like auto-suggestion, my sleep ritual adds now, just before to bed, to write in my nightstand's notebook about what I can improve regarding last night. At the beginning I accumulated notes but at last, I prefer to write in Tabula rasa(Blank slate)new every time due to illusion of competence.
Regarding mantras I did an experiment, I was to the basis"not to move muscles". so I said myself as me fall asleep"slacken body" to change phisical reflex of stretching-contracting immediate to REM atonia end.

Good! Mantras and auto-suggestions seem to work quite well with things like what to do as you wake up such as intention to recall goals and if you avoid moving and fall back asleep you increase your chances of carrying your awareness with you back into the dream state.

recall dream was best. the majority of dreams were recall after move or think in another things, I have't yet got back awareness of accurate moment without too excitement

^I didn't understand what you meant here.

Thanks for the previous comments.

A week ago, I decided to prioritize the practice of DEILD instead of lucid dreams in general, due to MILD and WILD after WBTB were being more customary to get my lucids experiences. Basically I used mantras and autosuggestion at the same time I reduced WBTB to simplly release the mental control.

I had my first DEILD since I've begun with workbook.
Entry was flow and fast. I awaked in last part of sleep, with the dream in my head, even I changed my posture but I kept a light hearing hypnagogicity.
So I relax in there and suddenly I feel that I can see and move my oniric hand in the darkness under my eyelids. I leave bed, I start to see something more, but after while to look for pleasure, arousal stoped experience.

Congratulations on the DEILD!

Originally Posted by anta

A week ago, I decided to prioritize the practice of DEILD instead of lucid dreams in general, due to MILD and WILD after WBTB were being more customary to get my lucids experiences. Basically I used mantras and autosuggestion at the same time I reduced WBTB to simplly release the mental control.

^I wasn't able to understand what you meant here.

Originally Posted by fogelbise

Congratulations on the DEILD!

^I wasn't able to understand what you meant here.

In my natural night awakenings, I cut off WBTB. And I only try to sleep again, without wild or mild intention.

It is being difficult, since July I don't obtain deild.
On the one hand I was taking a long time to recall that I had dream, it happens after move me.
On the other hand, when I became aware the end of dream, I don't get to chaining another dream

Got it, thanks. So maybe it is time to mix in some WBTBs a few times a week at least if you aren't currently, perhaps on nights when you can sleep in. At the same time you can also consider setting stronger intention to chain dreams. Let me know if you have any questions. Sorry for the slow reply. I was on holiday.