Thread: Creating reality through lucid dreaming

Originally Posted by Sageous

I just remembered a fun anecdote about this stuff.

I spent years riding a commuter train to my job in Manhattan, which usually was little better than a cattle drive to Hell. On one particularly long hot ride replete with breakdowns and delays, I was sitting near a young couple talking very loudly about things like this subject. At one point the woman confidently said, "I am in complete control of my reality." Without missing a beat, the man replied, "Then why are you on this train?"

Reality is a very powerful thing, and it is far bigger than any of us. Just thinking we can affect it -- whether emotionally, with thoughts, through dreams, with magic, with prayer, etc -- is not enough. I'm not saying that we couldn't affect physical reality, but if we can, it'll take quite an effort; perhaps even a superhuman one. And, perhaps, learning to communicate with our unconscious through LD's is a good first step toward learning how to do it....

I like this... what is this I'm recognizing in your last paragraph? Is that ... belief? Heh. I tend to agree with the idea that anything is possible. This isn't what Sageous said exactly but he seems to think it's possible so meh, close enough.

No, I totally don't think if you dream of anything it will be there when you wake up. That's just silly. Dreaming is a thought-based reality and our waking reality is a much more dense and physical place. You can't transfer anything of any sort of mass from one place to the other. Heck, memories are difficult enough to get from a to b.

On the other hand, I don't think it's IMPOSSIBLE. That's such a horribly limiting word. I think there's a way to achieve anything, just some methods are more difficult than others.

There are some things which can be transfered from the dream state to waking and visa versa. You can take skills and personality traits developed in one state to the other. It's not always a clear transfer and pieces may be lacking but it's possible. For example, confidence is an easy one It actually is. Lucidity gives way to finding alternate endings to undesireable circumstances. This in turn gives you more control over your environment and thus, confidence because you're able to create your reality.

The power of thought is a new area of 'science'. From what I've seen in dreaming, thoughts play a big part in our dreaming environment. WakingNomad mentioned once that the dreamstate is similar to turning a canoe in the ocean whereas reality is more like trying to turn a large barge. It happens, but it just takes a lot of energy.

... maybe a super human amount of it.

Oh and lucid dreaming seems to be supportive of telepathy. Really, if you think about it, with the number of mannerisms, context, and facial expressions ... if you pay attention to other people, telepathy doesn't seem that far of a stretch in todays world.

Originally Posted by Kaomea

I like this... what is this I'm recognizing in your last paragraph? Is that ... belief? Heh. I tend to agree with the idea that anything is possible. This isn't what Sageous said exactly but he seems to think it's possible so meh, close enough.

You got me, Kaomea! I admit that under my skepticism and arguments against the more impossible things like this lies a tiny grain of hope that they can happen -- and that is the hope that pushes me forward. Everyone should have it, regardless of their rational confidence in the impossibility of things. So I do hope...but sshhh! don't tell anyone about it! I don't want to ruin my stodgy image!

Oh and lucid dreaming seems to be supportive of telepathy. Really, if you think about it, with the number of mannerisms, context, and facial expressions ... if you pay attention to other people, telepathy doesn't seem that far of a stretch in todays world.

Now back to being contrary: take care not to confuse paying attention while following the laws of physics with communication using an energy source whose existence and control defy the laws of physics completely...as those laws are currently written, of course!

P.S. Very nice post overall, though!

I've read on this forum and another forum about precognitive lucid dreams that "predict" or "manifest" a real physical event that the dreamer perceives later in WL as a Déjà Rêvé. I realize that the lucid dreamers reported manifesting an event, not a physical object, but the event was physical and the objects were manifested.

Ooooooo. Prediction versus manifestation is always an interesting topic. Who's to say which it is really.... I suppose if it's a thing we want to happen, it's manifestive whereas if it's something we wouldn't want to happen, we'd call it predictive

More seriously though, there are some who believe dreams allow us to explore various futures. In doing so, we learn which future we'd like to play out and when it finally does, that leads to deja vu or deja reve. The difference between vu and reve seem to be minimal depending on how you view it that too. I mean, what is a dream? What is seeing? How do we see? There are too many ways to see and dreaming is simply one of them.

I like that though, the idea that lucid dreamers manifest an event, which is a physical thing... which can lead to objects being manifested. So in a roundabout way, maybe it is possible to manifest objects and other solid things into this reality. It's just a matter of finding that little energetic loophole. Hmmmm...

Guys, this is very possible.

I once dreamed I had a lucid dream, and the next day I had a lucid dream. Mind blown. I know some of you won't believe me, but you must try it.

It would be like consciously manipulating your life, rather than unconsciously, right? Because in dreams, the logical/rational aspect isn't there. I believe it's that same aspect that keeps us from doing IRL what we can do in Dreams.

Originally Posted by MissLucy

Because in dreams, the logical/rational aspect isn't there. I believe it's that same aspect that keeps us from doing IRL what we can do in Dreams.

Yeah, that and the laws of physicals, physical limitations, etc. But yeah if you just think differently the universe will bend and warp until you can fly and turn clouds into daffodils, definitely.

I've watched What the Bleep do we know, finally, and combined it, The Matrix and Inception into one theory.

In What the Bleep, they say everything has a consciousness (I experienced this personally when in a dream I became the consciousness of a White Blood Cell), and that water changes molecularly depending on how you feel about it.

In The Matrix, it's suggested that "ignorance is bliss", meaning you don't know something's wrong until being shown the other option.
This led me to think about what reality really is. If DCs are our SUB-conscious, then Waking Life characters must be our consciousness? The whole "We are ONE" idea. So that then, in turn, led me to think about how what DCs say is our SUB-consciousness conveying a message to us, usually about ourselves. So WL-characters must be conveying messages about ourselves too, considering "I", "ourselves" etc are all "the Consciousness" of everything.
So I've learned to take each and every input from another person/animal as a criticism about myself. Positive criticism, though, with no judgement. Just a statement of what I am not. They are different parts of the Consciousness than I, and yet.. ..they're not. They're showing off other aspects of the Consciousness than I, and are therefor reminders of everything the Consciousness is, but which I choose not to portray.

..did that make sense to any of you?

In Inception, they "mess with the physics of it all" while in a dream. Consider the above 2 ideas. If we can do it sub-consciously to the dream-world (sub-reality), there must be a way to learn/remember how to do it consciously to the physical world (reality), surely?

Originally Posted by MissLucy

-poop-

I hope that is joke logic. Please. Tell me. Its a joke.

Worst reasoning I've ever heard. You can find sense in any sort of bullshit if you string it together in a right way.

Oh come on Loaf. You know you have secret desires of unleashing yourself in a set of bright color tights and quite possibly a cape.

Lucy, I loved 'What the Bleep Do You Know?' I mean, parts of it were slow but the message was worth it. Also, I liked your stringing together of all three movies. I agree in that we are our reality. Very cool thought with the WCs btw. I haven't considered it from that point of view, DCs vs WCs, but that's a mind fuck to consider. To think waking life is just as fictionous or just as real as our dream life is mildly disturbing.

What really stands out to me is your perception of how WCs relate to you. Each person and experience we have reflects who we are or aren't. Yeah it does sound a little simple but it's interesting to consider that those who swear they hate drama, seem to attract so much of it. Those who are into spiritual pursuits, tend to have a lot of those. People are what they attract. On the other hand I think there are times when we attract people we don't want to attract. In which case they're quickly dismissed if that's really not what we're looking for. We feed energy into people and experiences we want to hold onto. If we don't want it, we won't surround ourselves with it.

Challenges to our thinking adds another level to things though. Just because we attract something we don't intend to, doesn't make it any less valuable to us. Sometimes we need to challenge our beliefs, adjust a few concepts we've built and make some improvements or upgrades to our thinking. So for those rare times where we find ourselves utterly upset and infuriated over what someone does, it's a great opportunity to take a look at what exactly we're in opposition to... then release it and move on. That's my theory anyway... which is a work in progress too.

Originally Posted by Kaomea

Oh come on Loaf. You know you have secret desires of unleashing yourself in a set of bright color tights and quite possibly a cape.

(Seriously though I don't get it, what does this have to do with the above nutjob-ness.)

Haha call me a nutjob, Loaf, that's fine I was dead serious, for the record, though. That's just how I reasoned. I should mention here that I do have some mild form of Bipolar Disorder. Not saying that for pity's sake, just saying I have an altered state of mind to begin with.
And if you thought that's "the worst reasoning you've ever heard", you should NEVER see me drunk LOL.

Kaomea, the law of attraction is fascinating indeed. We attract that which we think of. So if you think of drama (regardless of whether you want it or not), you'll attract drama. So I've learned that if I don't want something, I just have to not give it any thought or attention. Everything takes energy to manifest, so if I don't put any energy in something, it can't manifest for me.

Fascinating observation!

If we can do it sub-consciously to the dream-world (sub-reality), there must be a way to learn/remember how to do it consciously to the physical world (reality), surely?
~ MissLucy

Thanks, I'm on a bit of a revelation train lately :p

I describe reality as non-linear vs. linear. We're raised to believe life is linear and all actions require absolute cause and effect. But then we have precognitive lucid dreams and precognitive NDs and even telepathic dreams (which I've had) and OBEs (which I've had) and suddenly our linear view of the world requires patches and rationalizations and creative explanations. One day everyone will accept that life is non-linear in nature and it will seem almost unbelievable that such a limited, linear view of reality possessed civilization.

I love this quote from above:

To think waking life is just as fictionous or just as real as our dream life is mildly disturbing.
~ Kaomea

Originally Posted by MissLucy

Haha call me a nutjob, Loaf, that's fine I was dead serious, for the record, though.

Well, I appreciate your ability to take that criticism. Though I shall never understand you. :U

Originally Posted by Loaf

Well, I appreciate your ability to take that criticism. Though I shall never understand you. :U

I don't take anything personally, don't worry. You're just as entitled to your opinion on my mental state as I am to my opinion on my tea being too sweet
Life's fun, and funny, I can see humour in pretty much anything that doesn't actually harm anyone

Besides, the way your formulated that was funny to me XD

And that you don't understand is fine too, if we'd all understand each other perfectly, what reason would we have for speech and discussion?
I really can't explain it any other way, so maybe I'm just not very good at explaining

It's all good fun, as long as nobody gets hurt

BTW, that kittyloaf in your avatar is ADORABLE X3

Originally Posted by MissLucy

BTW, that kittyloaf in your avatar is ADORABLE X3

Lol.

I tried changing it twice in my years here at DV, and each time I've attempted to get rid of it I've been sent a number of mock-angry messages demanding I turn it back hahah.

Hahaha we demand cuteness!

One day everyone will accept that life is non-linear in nature and it will seem almost unbelievable that such a limited, linear view of reality possessed civilization.

Oh damn it. You outdid me :*(

Actually though, when you wrote that I immediately thought of how idiotic civilization was when they thought the world was flat, heh. Back then it just seemed so concrete and it wasn't until they were proved wrong that they realized the world is round. Guess they'll just have to be proved wrong again. Nice thoughts about linear vs non-linear.

I had a precognitive dream the other night and the actual waking life event happened two nights ago. Uncanny and yet, in my mind, completely ordinary and normal. While the precognitive dream was not an exact duplicate of the future event, it was accurate in a profound, visceral, deeply emotional way that only I could decode and understand. I was blown away.

So, creating reality through lucid dreaming doesn't seem all that difficult and may actually be taking place all the time -- especially via non-lucid dreaming.

I'm with you on that one as well. I had a Lucid last night that I would do a LOT for to make it reality!

I was really sick with the flu, and in my dream I rebuilt my body on the molecular level. When I woke up, I felt better! I wasn't cured, but I wasn't shivering violently anymore, my stomach felt better. Perhaps it was just the sleep that fixed me up, but it makes me wonder.

I think there are folks on this forum who LD, manufacture a dream scenario they know will manifest in waking life reality, and then go about their business in RL waiting for it to manifest -- and then boom, there it is. It'd be fun to hear from them.