Thread: Creating reality through lucid dreaming

If your trying to get a free new car to materialize out of thin air by dreaming it, get ready to be disappointed.

No as it's a dream.
No I'm not a skeptic.
Edit: Anything more is a coincidence.

the only way I can see this working is if you dream of having a nice house and a shiny new car, wake up and think "man, i want those things, im going to work towards it"

OR you have a FA, wake up and your a millionaire

It's not as simple as waking up and simply materialising these things the same way you would in a dream! A dream can inspire you to work towards these things, and with this inspiration you can easily achieve them, but they don't come instantly per-se, you must allow them to come in time

Nope, and I don't believe it can be done like that. I believe that ones subcoinsciousness can "predict" events, based on small signs it had recorded, and maybe give you the idea of it happening.

I once dreamed of finding my soul mate and woke up with a dead hooker next to me. For some reason the court didn't believe the whole "I created her through a dream" excuse.

Frikin lol! ^^^^
And, no, dreams are dreams, simple as that.

Originally Posted by cytotoxicT

I once dreamed of finding my soul mate and woke up with a dead hooker next to me. For some reason the court didn't believe the whole "I created her through a dream" excuse.

Lmao! I laughed so hard!

Material items don't really work in this way. You need to make plans and put those plans into action. A skill like learning how to defend yourself, would carry over into waking life.

Well I'm going to counter all these nay-sayers.

You may be able to effect your physical reality through dreams, but it wouldn't be that simple. It would probably require creating a scenario or object repeatedly each time you dream, while putting a lot of emotional energy into it. If this was done, the scenario/object or something similar may find its way into your reality, though not by just materializing. For example if you created a car each night, maybe a friend would show up with a nice new car and offer you a ride, or you would win a contest. How it would manifest would be still be within the rules of this realm.

That's a load of rubish...

In Dan Brown's book "The Lost Symbol" there was a Noetic scientist who researched how the human mind interacted with matter, of course this is just a book, but the THOUGHT is pretty cool.

It's a pretty long read, but I promise you it's worth it!

"Human thought can literally transform the physical world. As Katherine's experiments grew bolder, her results became more astounding. Her work in this lab had proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that "mind over matter" was not just some New Age self-help mantra. The mind had the ability to alter the state of matter itself, and more important, the mind had the power to encourage the physical world to move in a specific direction. We are the masters of our own universe.
At the subatomic level, Katherine had shown that particles themselves came in and out of existence based solely on her intention to observe them. In a sense, her desire to see a particle. . . manifested that particle. Living consciousness somehow is the influence that turns the possibility of something into something real."

Well there is more, but then you have to read the book

I like to be very philosophic and here is a small spolier to the book:

The bible is a code some people have tried to solve it, but it's a hard work, but here is what they have found.

Temple is a metaphor to: BODY
God is a metaphor to: MIND

Protect the temple and believe in God!

But my point is that nothing is impossible. At least I like to believe so.

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

Well I'm going to counter all these nay-sayers.

You may be able to effect your physical reality through dreams, but it wouldn't be that simple. It would probably require creating a scenario or object repeatedly each time you dream, while putting a lot of emotional energy into it. If this was done, the scenario/object or something similar may find its way into your reality, though not by just materializing. For example if you created a car each night, maybe a friend would show up with a nice new car and offer you a ride, or you would win a contest. How it would manifest would be still be within the rules of this realm.

That sounds like the thesis behind The Secret, a book that appeared a few years ago and sold like wildfire for as long as someone believed the nonsense it preached. Now that it's pretty much understood that wishing something into existence simply does not work, the book sales have dropped off -- but not before the author got very rich feeding off the hopes of others.

That said, I no doubt naively hold out hope myself that thought energy* may have an effect on reality. But since the universe does not speak English, even if thought energy exists, affecting reality might be a bit more complex than simply thinking about a thing.

* In a very vague nutshell: thought energy is not brainwaves or the electricity generated by firing neurons, but rather a unique energy created -- from nothing -- every time a conscious thought is made. The energy could be used to influence physical reality, possibly, because it does not belong in the original formula for the universe; think of a pin popping a balloon. Unfortunately, thoughts would need to be very specifically formed in order to have that influence, and the trick is discover thought forms that actually work.

Originally Posted by Choi

In Dan Brown's book "The Lost Symbol" there was a Noetic scientist who researched how the human mind interacted with matter, of course this is just a book, but the THOUGHT is pretty cool.

"Human thought can literally transform the physical world. As Katherine's experiments grew bolder, her results became more astounding. Her work in this lab had proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that "mind over matter" was not just some New Age self-help mantra. The mind had the ability to alter the state of matter itself, and more important, the mind had the power to encourage the physical world to move in a specific direction. We are the masters of our own universe.
At the subatomic level, Katherine had shown that particles themselves came in and out of existence based solely on her intention to observe them. In a sense, her desire to see a particle. . . manifested that particle. Living consciousness somehow is the influence that turns the possibility of something into something real."

And that sounds like the esteemed Mr. Brown is simply misinterpreting a curious trait of quantum mechanics -- that the nature of a subatomic particle changes when it is observed. Pretty much any physicist, not just Katherine, will "create" a particle every time he chooses to, since the act of observing the particles defines (aka creates) them. Also, does noticing a subatomic particle really make you a master of your universe? Does it really equate to manipulating reality itself? I don't think so.

You might not want to put too much faith in the extremely creative writings of Mr Brown.

Thank you for ruining everything for me =) I didn't said it was true I said it was a cool THOUGHT...

Originally Posted by Choi

Thank you for ruining everything for me =) I didn't said it was true I said it was a cool THOUGHT...

Sorry Choi! I guess I couldn't help myself! There is, of course, nothing ever wrong with a cool thought...who knows what its very existence might create, after all?

Originally Posted by Sageous

And that sounds like the esteemed Mr. Brown is simply misinterpreting a curious trait of quantum mechanics -- that the nature of a subatomic particle changes when it is observed. Pretty much any physicist, not just Katherine, will "create" a particle every time he chooses to, since the act of observing the particles defines (aka creates) them. Also, does noticing a subatomic particle really make you a master of your universe? Does it really equate to manipulating reality itself? I don't think so.

You might not want to put too much faith in the extremely creative writings of Mr Brown.

Actually we can influence matter outside of the "observing a particle makes it behave differently" effect. Tom Shadyac made a documentary called I Am, and it is about happiness and what draws people to be kind to one another. He did an experiment in the movie where his emotions could manipulate the electric potential energy of yogurt.

He later interviews someone that was talking about how our random number generators have started to show patterns during periods of mass distress (9/11, tsunamis, ect.)

They also talk about some quantum mechanics and how subatomic particles can influence each other across (essentially) infinite distances instantaneously.

They use all this to suggest that we are all connected at some level and can influence matter (and people) around us.

Here he is talking about the yogurt experiment:



I am not saying that believing in something will dramatically influence future events at any large scale. I just thought it was interesting piece of info and somewhat relevant to the conversation. And before you dismiss everything I said, watch the movie and take it up with them.

Originally Posted by cytotoxicT

Actually we can influence matter outside of the "observing a particle makes it behave differently" effect. Tom Shadyac made a documentary called I Am, and it is about happiness and what draws people to be kind to one another. He did an experiment in the movie where his emotions could manipulate the electric potential energy of yogurt.

They also talk about some quantum mechanics and how subatomic particles can influence each other across (essentially) infinite distances instantaneously.

They use all this to suggest that we are all connected at some level and can influence matter (and people) around us.

I am not saying that believing in something will dramatically influence future events at any large scale. I just thought it was interesting piece of info and somewhat relevant to the conversation. And before you dismiss everything I said, watch the movie and take it up with them.

CytotoxicT:

How could I possibly dismiss claims in a documentary by a man who did an experiment in the movie where his emotions could manipulate the electric potential energy of yogurt? Talk about the "I'm not making this up" department!

Thanks for sharing -- it is certainly relevant to the conversation, and in all seriousness might even illustrate my reference to thought energy somewhere above. Still, I don't think Mr. Shadyac discusses using his dreams to get stuff...

I do think we are creating this reality, but its not as simple as "I wish for a million dollars" and having it appear the next day. A few points to consider:

It seems emotions are more influential than thought - as demonstrated by the yogurt experiment. If you have an extremely emotionally charged thought it will be more likely to effect your reality than just repeating empty words in your head.

The ego itself, your thinking mind, may only hold a small level of influence. You have many themes and ideas which are being explored in this life, and your ability to create will be at its height when you are in alignment with what is truly important to you. Your mind may say "I want a new house, I want a new car, I want this and that," but if none of these things are really related to your path in this existence, the charge will not be there to allow them to manifest. This loops back to the importance of emotions. If you are most yourself when you are- for example- creating artwork, will having a fancy car really excite you that much? However your ability to create what you need to continue your art will always be there.

How something manifest may not be exactly as the mind has planned, down to the detail. I'm sure most of us have experienced this with lucid dreams. You intend for something to appear, but how it appears is always novel. You don't think of every detail for the landscape you want to create, you just pick the theme. In the same way the mind in this reality does not completely control the outcome, but it can choose the theme or direction.

I have never read The Secret, but if people came away from that book thinking they could just wish whatever they want into existence, as Sageous said, they would quickly realize it doesn't work that way. It doesn't mean you don't create your reality, its just that they are putting too much stock in the will of the mind.

All of the above could be applied to the OPs question about dreams. Pick something that is important to you, enact it out in your lucid dreams, and then allow it to manifest without the need to control exactly how.

Originally Posted by kevin32

[...] have you ever created something in the real world from a lucid dream?

LSDBase is created in its entirety while I am asleep. Q.E.D.

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

I do think we are creating this reality, but its not as simple as "I wish for a million dollars" and having it appear the next day. A few points to consider:

It seems emotions are more influential than thought - as demonstrated by the yogurt experiment. If you have an extremely emotionally charged thought it will be more likely to effect your reality than just repeating empty words in your head.

The ego itself, your thinking mind, may only hold a small level of influence. You have many themes and ideas which are being explored in this life, and your ability to create will be at its height when you are in alignment with what is truly important to you. Your mind may say "I want a new house, I want a new car, I want this and that," but if none of these things are really related to your path in this existence, the charge will not be there to allow them to manifest. This loops back to the importance of emotions. If you are most yourself when you are- for example- creating artwork, will having a fancy car really excite you that much? However your ability to create what you need to continue your art will always be there.

How something manifest may not be exactly as the mind has planned, down to the detail. I'm sure most of us have experienced this with lucid dreams. You intend for something to appear, but how it appears is always novel. You don't think of every detail for the landscape you want to create, you just pick the theme. In the same way the mind in this reality does not completely control the outcome, but it can choose the theme or direction.

I have never read The Secret, but if people came away from that book thinking they could just wish whatever they want into existence, as Sageous said, they would quickly realize it doesn't work that way. It doesn't mean you don't create your reality, its just that they are putting too much stock in the will of the mind.

Agreed. Given that you seem to be saying that, in this case, emotion is manifesting as unconscious thought, I think we are talking about the same thing, just with different words.

Speaking of words, in my very short description of thought energy (it really needs much more space to correctly describe), I led you to think that thought forms are correctly chosen words thought in the right order. That's not entirely wrong, but what is important is not the words themselves -- I'm guessing they would sound like gibberish, like the words I've heard used by eastern mystics. It is the energy form that thinking those words creates that matters. I also said that those gibberish words would be very hard to come across (and the mystics have kept them close to their vests for centuries, assuming they actually know any at all). Now, given that, in terms of thought, emotions can command many more varieties of thought forms thanks to the fact that emotions can tap the unconscious very effectively, there is an excellent chance that emotions might create usable thought forms. Trouble is, the forms they create might have nothing to do with your conscious desires: because the universe doesn't speak your language, the odds that the thought energy randomly created by emotion "makes" anything of value to you are slim... this would only be incorrect if there is a god out there receiving our thought energy -- in our language -- and handing back to us what we desire. I guess I just defined prayer!

At any rate, you are correct, Mr. Toad, on all fronts. Save one: regardless of emotions, your desires will never change physical reality simply because you desire them, emotionally or rationally. Physical reality has been around way longer than humans have, and it is not programmed to respond to our requests. Unless, of course, God made it that way (I only wrote that in case there is a God and He's listening -- not a good idea to piss off the Big Guy). Also, for what it's worth, The Secret was all about directing desire emotionally.

All of the above could be applied to the OPs question about dreams. Pick something that is important to you, enact it out in your lucid dreams, and then allow it to manifest without the need to control exactly how.

Definitely agreed. Practicing this kind of creation and control in LD's would be a very good thing, for a couple of reasons: First, because it's an excellent exercise for personal development and second, perhaps in the process you would learn to tap the vast resources of your unconscious thoughts/emotions.

I just remembered a fun anecdote about this stuff.

I spent years riding a commuter train to my job in Manhattan, which usually was little better than a cattle drive to Hell. On one particularly long hot ride replete with breakdowns and delays, I was sitting near a young couple talking very loudly about things like this subject. At one point the woman confidently said, "I am in complete control of my reality." Without missing a beat, the man replied, "Then why are you on this train?"

Reality is a very powerful thing, and it is far bigger than any of us. Just thinking we can affect it -- whether emotionally, with thoughts, through dreams, with magic, with prayer, etc -- is not enough. I'm not saying that we couldn't affect physical reality, but if we can, it'll take quite an effort; perhaps even a superhuman one. And, perhaps, learning to communicate with our unconscious through LD's is a good first step toward learning how to do it....

Relating to OP's post, there is one thing that you can gain in reality from a dream.
If you had an idea/invention/thought of some sort in your dream, you can remember when you wake up.
Thats really the only thing you can gain from dreaming.
You won't wake up with a Maserati in your garage if you had one in your dream buddy.

Although, everything you see except the nature, unless you believe in God as a person, is based on an idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P779X...eature=related