You're right, and I've tested this out extensively. Everything requires your attention to exist in dreams. This includes your dream body and your surroundings. |
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Hey everyone, |
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You're right, and I've tested this out extensively. Everything requires your attention to exist in dreams. This includes your dream body and your surroundings. |
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attention? i haven't noticed attention to be there at all whilst dreaming, in waking life however i have amazing attention. How can you use waking life ideals when talking about dreams? You really think its you in that dream? |
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I'm not really sure what you are trying to say, and I'm not the OP, but I do think it is me in a dream. It is my brain that creates the dream and 'stays' in it, and it is also my brain that is taking in my waking life. Also the ideals for things you want to carry out in your dreams come from the same you that has those ideals in waking life, for there is no other place for them to come from. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 01-15-2012 at 07:35 AM.
Do I dare risk a tiny defense of elucid's statement? Ah, what the hell; I haven't had a good beating in a few days... |
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Last edited by Sageous; 01-15-2012 at 06:19 PM.
Well I guess it depends on what the other explanation might be for how we dream. I assumed he was saying we actually visit other dimensions or another world or something. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 01-15-2012 at 06:36 PM.
^^ Agreed, 100%. And I think, Darkmatters, that yours may be the best possible answer to elucid's balls of molecules statement... |
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Why thank you sir! |
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^^ Okay then... I guess we were talking about something else. I stand corrected. Glad I gave it a nice try, though! |
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It might have been (or is, I suppose) necessary, but I like to think of all this stuff less as a devaluation of the mind's power than metaphors originally created to explain its power which, over the centuries, took on a life of their own. Metaphors, after all, are nothing more than intellectual perception, and the originators of them had to know, intellectually, from where they came. It's what the more "imaginative" folks at the receiving end of the metaphors did with them later, especially as many generations separated the metaphor creator from the receiver. Think of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey as examples of this. In other words, the flights of fancy may not have created the fairy tale, but they made it real. This all made a whole lot more sense in my head; I'll stop now before it all falls apart... |
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Last edited by Sageous; 01-15-2012 at 10:53 PM.
There could always be more to what we know, we never know the complete story because we haven't found the borders of space yet or what it looks like at the very edge of space. So we have to remain open minded to these gaps, to the "what-if" clauses. Having said that, a lot of things DO make senses in this world. But whether sense its self can even be trusted i don't know, everything could be one big illusion where the real working processes are underneath, but that would be paranoia - style thinking. I have to come to accept what i sense and leave it there. Because in either case , we are here, on planet earth, seemingly stuck inside a closed system ... and that closed system only interacts with the stuff inside the system it lives in. Therefore everything outside the system will for ever remain theoretical. |
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Last edited by d3nd3; 01-17-2012 at 01:16 PM.
Just to continue this off-topic chat: |
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I never made the claim that supernatural things were happening. There's likely a biological reason for this occurrence, but to say there's activity within a brain containing no fuel source, for that long a time, seems a bit strange to me. |
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^^ I think I was going somewhere else with this, Darkmatters, but you know what? That place I was going wasn't as important. So, considering myself rightfully "schooled," I defer to your wisdom. |
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U write bull shit its not the subject what I think dream ends cause it have too I do no how to stay longer i think its impossible but I always fell when its happen my sight is like in fog i stop controloing myself like runing or tuch 5 more sec and I'm awake give me people some advice how to stay longer if any body did it :"? |
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I'm inactive for a week and I miss such an epic discussion, what a shame D: Our brain is constantly forming images out of stimuli that come from the senses. The world may be very different from the way we percieve it. Rather said, it most likely is. In our dreams we are no longer concious of these stimuli, which could explain the capability of our brain to produce these vivid dreamworlds from scraps (schemas and such?) which we cannot do as good in waking life. Ofcourse, this is al the scientific part of it. I do think there are things science can not explain. Talking about those things is a lot of fun IMO, but we simply cannot be sure. As much as I hate to say it, there is no way to confirm or deny theories about this (not in this life anyway). That is also the reason I'm not religious but do not deny the existence of a higher being either. |
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