Thread: Tibetan, Dream Yoga. Goals to achieved before becoming a Master.

Hi all
I've read that in the Dream Yoga that is being practiced by Tibetans there are certain goals you are required to achieve before you can call yourself a Dream Yoga Master.

I was wondering if anyone knew there goals because it would be interesting to see if you've completed any of them.
I've been looking around but been unable to find any except for maybe one, becoming an animal.

If you know them and would share it would be very much appreciated

Edit: Found them

From world of lucid dreaming:

Their aim is to harness the power of the lucid dream state and then complete a number of set tasks to take them to the next level. These tasks include:

Practice sadhana (a spiritual discipline)
Receive initiations, empowerments and transmissions
Visit different places, planes and lokas (worlds)
Communicate with yidam (an enlightened being)
Meet with other sentient beings
Fly and shape shift into other creatures

The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to "apprehend the dream" (attain conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness.

That sounds like an excellent goal for any lucid dreamer.

I just started reading Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep. Sounds like it might be up your alley.

Tibetan Yogas of dream and sleep is probably the best book on the subject for us westerners. Easy to understand. Not to much "mumbo-jumbo"...
http://http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Practice-Natural-Light-Revised/dp/1559391618/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331493086&sr=8-1
This book: "Dream Yoga practice of natural light" is also a good book on the subject, although not at all as comprehensive.

This is really interesting! Might be just the sort of thing I need to look into, since I've been trying to combine lucid dreaming with shamanism, and that's been particularly difficult without a model to follow.

Amodia:

Be careful you don't confuse the doctrine-oriented goals of the Buddhist monks practicing dream yoga with the actual long-term goal of the yogis, which is exactly as you listed when you posted:

The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to "apprehend the dream" (attain conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness.

That I think is enough on its own to define the goal of sleep yoga; the other goals you listed are certainly valid -- especially if you're a practicing Buddhist -- but not necessary for overall dream yoga success, I think.

Also, keep in mind that these guys practice dream yoga as preparation for their ultimate goal of sleep yoga -- the mastering of constant waking awareness through every phase of sleep -- so that they can be prepared to carry their conscious awareness with them straight through death, and thus have a hand in their own afterlives.

Originally Posted by Amodia

Hi all


Their aim is to harness the power of the lucid dream state and then complete a number of set tasks to take them to the next level. These tasks include:

Practice sadhana (a spiritual discipline)
Receive initiations, empowerments and transmissions
Visit different places, planes and lokas (worlds)
Communicate with yidam (an enlightened being)
Meet with other sentient beings
Fly and shape shift into other creatures

The ultimate goal in Tibetan dream yoga is to "apprehend the dream" (attain conscious awareness) then dissolve the dream state. When you are deprived of physical stimulus (from the sleeping body) and conceptual stimulus (from the dreaming mind), you can observe the purest form of conscious awareness.

The first things are actually alot more fun than the last thing. Fun isn't everything, but it is fun. If any one is board look at some of my DJ entries. If I am doing any of the things in the first list it makes an interesting read. Then notice there are a dozen or so, where I can not give any real discription. Time blurs and the conventional though is not really what is going on. Makes for a terrible read. Don't think all yogis are boring. The goals of spiritual awakening are great and worthy, but at every point on your path, have a light heart and enjoy the hell out of your dreaming.

But, in the way of fun. The second technique can be used for a very fun dream attivity. After you dissolve the dream state you don't have to float around in mystical bliss, this is how you get the white room effect. It is like the matrix training area that was all white. It is not always white, but the same idea. You then have no distraction from DCs and random events. At that point you can do your dream yoga or create a temple or just shape shift and such. Not as crazy as a random interactive dream, but a worthy experience.

Thank you for all your comments. I will take a look at some of the books suggested. I will keep in mind what you said Sivason. Thank you.