Thread: Advanced Vision Control Tutorial

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I agree vision is an important part of dream control. If you're interested, I wrote a short piece on it as well. http://dreamviews.com/community/show...&postcount=159
Could have sworn I wrote a second part to that, and advanced version, but I can't find it.

And you have to check out this vid about visual representation systems.



But what is this doing in beyond dreaming?

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

But yes this is going to be moved to the research area so it shouldn't be here long. I personally thought it fit here because this is mostly not about dreaming but the research place sounds better.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream.

You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

You're preaching to the choir dude. I've been blabbering for over a year now about how dream control techniques apply to real life.

lol that was me pointing out why it would fit in beyond dreaming
Video looks interesting too. I'm kind of busy right now but i'll check it all out later.

but, in Real Life, for what I can use this technique?

How did you learn of this technique?

Originally Posted by Mariano

but, in Real Life, for what I can use this technique?

This technique when mastered allows you to have complete control over all of your senses while either dreaming or awake. You basically override the input from your real senses and insert what you want to sense.

Originally Posted by SpaceTime

How did you learn of this technique?

Taken from second paragraph: "Ok I would like to start by saying that almost everything I have learned about controlling my senses has been learned from personal experimenting on my own."

How is it beneficial?

Originally Posted by SpaceTime

How is it beneficial?

This tutorial in itself is not very beneficial however it is a stepping stone to becoming godlike in the dream world. In your dreams can you add another eye to your body and connect to it so that you actually receive a third visual input? What about adding input from a few thousand eyes while maintaining image quality? When you dream do you breathe? Why or why not? is having a human body really that important? Your body can be anything you want. Your body could be an entire planet that is connected to the senses of multiple species. You can tap into the sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell senses and more from billions of entities simultaneously while still preserving crystal clear quality.

Even then all of that is just easy stuff. It surprises even me how far you can push the mind when you constantly work on removing limitations.

So is it beneficial? If you are really into controlling your dreams and if you work hard at it for long enough then I think it would be beneficial. If you dont really care about extremely advanced dream control then you can still take the manipulation skills as far as you want. It goes from very basic to extremely advanced pretty rapidly and I do not know of any boundaries other than the ones you allow yourself to be controlled by and learn through this manipulation system to tear down. But yea if your not really into dream control there is a lot that can be done with your mind while awake.

Originally Posted by Mylynes

Really this is far beyond just dream control. You practice while awake and it is meant to be used while being awake but can lead to new ways of easily controlling your dream. After I add in the other senses this will be a tutorial on how to manipulate all of your senses directly.

I've got the idea that you are very well into the technical aspects of experiencing something. But I kind of get the idea that it is not really related to spiritual growth. In my opinion one should be focusing on becoming awake in reality by overcoming your limitations by overcoming fear, order to grow, so you can choose to create synergy. I do not see how your technique is anything related to spiritual growth, it seems to be a thrill ride to me only.

There is only one reality, there is no such thing as awake vs dream reality. An experience in physical life is worth as much as an experience from the dream world if you learn the same things from it. It is only about the usefulness of the experience. It is not about in which environment (dream or physical) you have experienced it. That doesn't matter at all. So that your method is meant to be used only in one aspect of reality makes it very less appealing, and not universal to apply. And therefore, logically, isn't usable for spiritual growth, and therefore is insignificant. Though you seem to 'sell' it as it is worth more than "just dream control".

What did this method teach you in aspects of growing spiritually, and consciously choosing to create synergy?

Fact is that none of what you described matters a bit, if there is no spiritual growth in it. How does your method relate to what all great spiritual masters teach? Dali lama and Thomas Campbell are both very different in describing reality, but both great minds describe the very same essence: grow by focusing on synergy.

I now your ego is hurt now. But be honest, and this applies to all readers of this topic that are (seemingly) seeking a thrill ride:
Would you be better of if
a) all your inner characters (your inner child, the father/mother, the neighbor, the spouse...) are hallucinating for their own fun?
b) Or when all your inner characters seeking to work together to be able to cope with a larger reality by growing up and adding value to the reality?

You are not different to reality than a character in your mind is to you. Both are merely perspectives of the same mind. You and I have the same mind.So you and I are together on this. So please, come back from your thrill ride and start seeking to what your real purpose is in this life.

Devoney,

Reading through the content on this forum, I also remember often that this is "just" playing with force/control. I also had the urge to comment along the lines of what you wrote.
But now, when I saw how nicely you articulated the "issue", I changed my view a bit.

I don't know what various people here need to grow up.
For a long time I was under the impression that focusing onto being "helpful" to others is the correct way, the correct intent. I am not saying to not try to be helpful, but trying implied in my case desire/need/expectation. I didn't see it until recently.
Now my intent is to see possibilities out of a balanced state of being and decreasing entropy by being the authentic me at the right time, in the right place.

So basically I just wanted to say that we all should do what we are drawn to do.
Learning control first and then noticing that the cart was in front of the horse is a good way to get power/focus before learning to use it constructively. Everyone has their own unique way and there is no rush. Rushing things implies fear/ego.

You cannot teach truth by talking about it. People need to experience the truth in their own time and in their own way.