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      Can't breathe

      This has been an unusual couple of weeks for me. Besides the occasion which brought me here to the forums begin with, I've had a few dreams where I couldn't breathe. I'd get the sensation as if my nose was congested then it would travel to my throat where my breathing would stop completely.

      My first guess is that it's sleep apnea. If that's the case then I must have developed it very suddenly as I've never had this problem before. Today will be the third or fourth night this has occurred in about 2-3 weeks. Other than this unusual sensation during my dreams, I haven't had any other symptoms.

      Another unusual occurrence worth mentioning is that a few nights ago, I had a dream about killing someone. I've never done that before...my dreams never really get violent (at most, I'll throw a punch at someone). It happened at a fisherman's wharf, in the office of the dockmaster overlooking which extended over the docks themselves. This was the second time that week I had dreamed about this place.

      The first time I dreamed about this place, I was climbing in through a window from the outside. I was in there looking for something, I don't remember what. It was during a performance, like one of those plays they have on stages built in the middle of a lake. I was caught before I could find what I was looking for, and since then I've forgotten the rest (one of those time I wish I kept a journal).

      The second time, it was after a long series of ominous events. I was with a friend, Zach, whom I haven't seen in a very long time. We were playing video games when he changed the screen over to porn. I told him I did not want to watch porn with him, which prompted him to switch over to gay porn. After this I noticed there was a small asian man sitting on my couch. I picked him up by his shirt dragged him over to the door and demanded who he was and how he got into my house. He only smiled at me, menacingly. I heard people outside my door, and opened it to find two mexican guys with mustaches. I threw the asian man out and yelled for them to get the **** out. I go back to Zach and find him sitting on the couch, smiling at me the same way the asian guy did.

      I grab him by the shirt shove him against the cabinet and demand who those men were and why he let them in my house. He continues smiling at me and won't answer, that's when I hear someone taking a shower. I move down the hallway towards the bathroom but there's no one there. All the room doors are open, one of which leads to my sister's room... then I find myself at the fisherman's wharf.

      I'm with two other women I can't recognize. We're back in the dockmaster's office ready to open one of the doors in the room. We go through the door and laying on the bed is a rotting water-logged corpse. As if it was just fished from the pier, and placed there. The corpse suddenly comes to life and says "I am the demon of your dreams" and begins to attack us. He develops claws, much like from a "Freddy Krueger" dream, stabs one of the girls through the back and flings her across the room. He sets upon the other girl cutting her arm off. As he's ontop of her, trying to kill her, I take a pitchfork and stab him through the bottom of his skull. Instead of blood his face deteriorates into a pile of flesh and water.

      Tonight was one of the weirdest dreams I've ever had. There were no images or anything typical of my dreams. It was as if I was never dreaming at all, but after waking up I came to the conclusion that I must have been. The entire experience was of me, trying to get to sleep. It was of me, laying in bed, with my eyes closed, trying to fall asleep and not being able to breathe. In my dream, I would begin to fall asleep as to dream, and would become congested to where I couldn't breathe. I would get a slight feeling of panic, wake up and try to go to sleep again (still dreaming).

      This kept occurring. Over and over again. Eventually I got tired of it, and decided to get up, at which point I actually woke up. I woke up, very confused and the fleeting sensations I had, as well as the fading memories of what just happened confirmed that I was dreaming the entire time.

      I got up to use the bathroom, and as I step in I hear the beep of a heart monitor (which could have been my roommate watching tv). It flatlines and a thought presents itself in my mind "I'm going to die". I proceed to use the toilet, not very concerned with what just happened and decide to make a post on these forums, as you are reading now.



      What concerns me more than anything is the lack of concern I feel right now (if that makes sense). As if this is happening to someone else, and I'm just curiously observing it all. My post is of an inquiry, not a dilemma.

      Any ideas?

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      Your problems with breathing might just be related to how you're sleeping - ie the position of your head and neck. I occasionally lay in such a way that as my body relaxes my neck bends sharply and cuts off my breathing. In your case it sounds like you must have been laying on your back? It sounds like the nasal lining or whatever you call it inside the nasal cavity sort of closed off and then your throat closed off. It isn't necessarily sleep apnea and it isn't going to kill you. You'll definitely wake up any time it happens, as you already have. So rest easy on that issue and maybe start sleeping on your side or get a thicker or thinner pillow or something to change the angle of your head as you're sleeping.

      The next factor - there are 2 important contributors to dreams you should know about - day residue and dream schema. Day residue means that often things you've been thinking about during the day will show up in your dreams - ESPECIALLY if it's something attached to a strong emotional reaction. Like for instance having the experience you described above and then wondering (naturally) if it means you might die soon from it. Something like this is BOUND to show up in your dreams!

      Dream schema - this is essentially the way dreams work - your mind comes up with more or less random stuff, composed partly from day residue, and sets the dream in motion. Sort of like a freeform video game with very open-ended programming. Let's say for instance it comes up with a dream in which you're walking down a street at night. How do you react to this - how does it make you feel? Well, you might very well think "uh-oh... walking down a strange street at night is dangerous - there could be a mugger or who-knows-what hiding just waiting to attack me.." And then guess what happens next? Your mind responds to the rush of fear and makes it happen. This can set in motion a nightmare in which you're being chased and the attacker just becomes an unstoppable beast and gets bigger and stronger.

      Or, in your case, it can make you dream about falling asleep and being unable to breathe. Dreams like this will intensify your natural fear of such a thing, and make you uneasy when walking around in the dark house and make you think about death (as you did in the bathroom).

      I've studied the mechanisms of sleep and dream - I mean I'm not a doctor or anything, but I'm very interested in the subject and have read a lot of books about it including some very good science (as well as a lot of more questionable ideas about it - you run into a lot of that on a subject like dreams). There are essentially 2 different phases of dreaming - REM and non REM. REM dreams are the ones we usually think about as dreams - they're like movies in your head with you as the star. Non REM dreams (called NREM dreams) are different - they're more like just a string of thoughts or images or maybe voices - maybe hearing a song over and over and over. And that's a common characteristic of them - repetition. Scientists believe the purpose of these kind of dreams is to help make sense of things we're thinking about and sort out what goes into long term memory and what gets dumped. It's also when we solve problems we've been dealing with. You know the saying let me sleep on it? Well there's a lot of truth to it - literally. The mind actually does a lot of its best work when you're asleep - this is why technically it's a better idea to cram for an exam two days before and sleep on it rather than stay up all night cramming and take the test on no sleep. And it's during NREM that this process happens.

      If you're interested I can link you to a very fascinating video covering this with some amazing stuff about rats solving mazes and the role sleep and dreaming plays in that - the way they present the info makes it totally clear how NREM dreams function. ANYWAY... it sounds like you had an NREM dream thinking over and over about your suffocation experience - this means its something you're very deeply frightened about at a subconscious level, even if you're not consciously aware of it. That's actually pretty common believe it or not - most people aren't consciously aware of a lot of their strongest emotions. Yeah, I read about the subconscious a lot too.

      So basically, see if changing your sleeping position or using a different pillow might help - if you keep experiencing this problem then see a doctor about it, but it is very common and most times is only weird positions closing off the throat and nasal passages temporarily.

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