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      Loved to see stupidity in the FBI. I especially don't understand that they think all muslims are middle eastern. Last time I checked, the majority of muslims are black. Indonesia and Africa is almost entirely muslim, and much larger than the middle east. And I loved that they think "Allah" is a bad word. Jesus of Nazareth spoke Aramaic, the Aramaic word for god is also Allah. Jesus addressed the lord as Allah, take that factoid and shove it up your ass Bill O'Reilly.

      And as <fill in later> said, terrorists are funded by opium, American mosques fund soup kitchens and homeless shelters.
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      I expect a massive backlash. The head of the FBI should loose their job.

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      At a time when the Commander in Chief is saying "there is no short road to peace. Therefore we will halt the peace process trololo"..? Nah.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      Loved to see stupidity in the FBI. I especially don't understand that they think all muslims are middle eastern. Last time I checked, the majority of muslims are black. Indonesia and Africa is almost entirely muslim, and much larger than the middle east. And I loved that they think "Allah" is a bad word. Jesus of Nazareth spoke Aramaic, the Aramaic word for god is also Allah. Jesus addressed the lord as Allah, take that factoid and shove it up your ass Bill O'Reilly.

      And as <fill in later> said, terrorists are funded by opium, American mosques fund soup kitchens and homeless shelters.
      Err yes on the Indonesia, but my fact senses are going off at that Africa statement. Here's a map


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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      Loved to see stupidity in the FBI. I especially don't understand that they think all muslims are middle eastern. Last time I checked, the majority of muslims are black.
      Let me stop you right there. Are the majority of muslims in North America black? This is a rhetorical question.

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      It's hard to really target the "majority" of Muslims, because there are millions of Middle Easterners, Pacific Islanders, Africans, Indians, etc. who are Muslims. It's one of the most diverse religious groups.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      Let me stop you right there. Are the majority of muslims in North America black? This is a rhetorical question.
      South Asian, actually.

      But it's split pretty evenly into four quarters between black, arabic, asian and other.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      South Asian, actually.

      But it's split pretty evenly into four quarters between black, arabic, asian and other.
      In North America? I find that doubtful.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      In North America? I find that doubtful.
      That's why they do these statistics, so we dont have to rely on your opinion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      That's why they do these statistics, so we dont have to rely on your opinion.
      Well, wiki says that American muslims (still not exactly what I said) are 26% arab, 25% black. So technically I was right, there are more arab muslims than black muslims in the US at least. Canada is even more shifted towards arabs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      Well, wiki says that American muslims (still not exactly what I said) are 26% arab, 25% black. So technically I was right, there are more arab muslims than black muslims in the US at least. Canada is even more shifted towards arabs.
      26% Arabic, 24% Black, 26% South Asian, 24% Other.

      The margin leans in favor of South Asian according an article I read, as well.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
      26% Arabic, 24% Black, 26% South Asian, 24% Other.

      The margin leans in favor of South Asian according an article I read, as well.
      I never said anything about South Asian. All I said was there were more arab muslims than black muslims in North America. End of statement.

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      Good to know you weren't trying to imply some gross majority of Arab Muslims

      Worldwide 1 out of every 5 muslims is Arab. I don't know if that's counting Egyptians or other Africans that look Arab though.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cmind View Post
      Let me stop you right there. Are the majority of muslims in North America black? This is a rhetorical question.
      Yes and no. That's not what I meant, but it is also true. The majority of people in Africa (600 million out of 1 billion) and the majority of people in Indonesia (300 million) are muslim, they are also mostly black. Actually, only 15% of all muslims, are middle eastern.

      Now as for blacks and muslims in the USA: This is the breakdown of muslims in the USA according to the census

      So yes, the majority of muslims in the USA are also black (South Asia is Indonesia, which is black) So south asian + african american = 59% of muslims in the USA. Did you think South asian meant Korea or Vietnam perhaps? Because I could certainly understand the confusion, but that is mainland Asia. This is a picture of a south asian man
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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      (South Asia is Indonesia, which is black) So south asian + african american = 59% of muslims in the USA. Did you think South asian meant Korea or Vietnam perhaps?
      Dude, Indo's are not black they're Asian, although some can appear very dark in appearance it's from their Arab lineage because Indo's are mixed. the Pribumi's which includes the Javanese making up over 95% of Indo's are basically multi-racial, Indo + White, Indo + Arab and Chinese since the era of colonial Batavia (Jakarta) but the pure indo's are of mongoloid origins with traceable ancestry originating in Taiwan and transmigration in Brunei Darussalam, Peninsular Malaysia, Sumatra and the Philippines. They're roots of origin do not bare traces in Africa no matter how dark they appear. Indo's comes in various shades and colors just like and African Americans and Hispanics.




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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      Besides if this guy is black so are all Arabs

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      What does the the place of origin have to do with being black? Black isn't a race, its a skin colour, it has to do with how much melanin is in their skin. People of asian decent can be black to, with enough cross breeding and natural selection. Just because african american and black are synonymous in the US doesn't make it so.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      What does the the place of origin have to do with being black? Black isn't a race, its a skin colour, it has to do with how much melanin is in their skin. People of asian decent can be black to, with enough cross breeding and natural selection. Just because african american and black are synonymous in the US doesn't make it so.
      So we can conclude then that... most muslim are not white.

      Black is most certainly an ethnicity. It means your ancestors came from Africa sometime between its migration period and its colonial period. That is how society sets the parameters. If you were trying to say most muslims are black but not arabic then you're drawing arbitrary lines in the sand by claiming asians are black but arabs are not.

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      No, I'm just talking about their current location and demographic. Most people associate Islam with the middle east and arabs, but that just isn't the case.

      And what do you consider aborigines? They aren't from Africa, but they aren't asian either (I know, they must have originally, but the massive amount of time they were separated have created their own traits.) Indonesians, seem to be a mix between the two. To me, aborigines, are black, which isn't the same as african.

      You should never judge a book by it's cover, but since this seems to be entirely about racially profiling by the FBI, skin colour is important in this discussion.

      aborigines:


      aborigines are not muslims, just to clear that up, just demonstrating that some Indonesians are many many generations away from mainland asians, probably just as far as native americans are (also of asian descent,) and the Indonesians cross bread with the aborigines from Australian and it's surrounding islands.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      No, I'm just talking about their current location and demographic. Most people associate Islam with the middle east and arabs, but that just isn't the case.
      This I can agree with completely. But I wonder, Indonesia has a global reputation for being very peaceful. Violence in Indonesia is limited to the drug cartels and gangs. Unlike the Taliban, the gangs do not mix with the mosques in Indonesia. But would this be the case if they had oil? Perhaps the Arabic Muslims would be as peaceful... nah actually they've probably been pissed since the crusades.

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      Arabic muslims are mostly peaceful, just ask anyone who just got back from the war. I think the reason that the terrorists had some control over the mosques is because they had a lot of money from heroine production and oil, so they ran the government too, most of the muslims hated the powers in charge. Most arab muslims are very peaceful.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      And what do you consider aborigines?
      You answered the question within this question.

      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      They aren't from Africa, but they aren't asian either (I know, they must have originally, but the massive amount of time they were separated have created their own traits.) Indonesians, seem to be a mix between the two. To me, aborigines, are black, which isn't the same as african.
      So let me ask you something. If you saw an Aborigine in the U.S. would you refer to that person as black knowing where they are from? Do you think they would refer to themselves as black in the U.S.?

      Also what about the artist Prince? What is he?



      and what about her? What is she exactly?


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      Of course an Aborigine in the US would be considered black, because they are black, their ancestry has nothing to do with whether or not they are black.

      This is why people tend to ignore you when you debate, when you know you are wrong, you try to hijack the thread and twist it to make yourself right. You are talking about technicalities about genetics in a thread about racial profiling by the FBI. Racial profiling is based on APPEARANCE, that's it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      Of course an Aborigine in the US would be considered black, because they are black, their ancestry has nothing to do with whether or not they are black.
      Really well that's funny because African Americans ancestry has everything to do with why they are called black. So logically, Aboriginal Australians would be considered Aboriginal Australians or "OTHER" and not black because when you call them black in the U.S. it gives them a false identity, one that doesn't belong to them. Blacks in the U.S. has partial ancestry from any of the native populations of Sub-Saharan Africa and are the direct descendants of enslaved Africans within the boundaries of the present United States. This identity doesn't belong to Aboriginal Australians and the way you classify people is just retarded. Basically you're saying an Aboriginal Australian has the exact same culture identity as an African American just because they happen to have similar skin tones.

      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      This is why people tend to ignore you when you debate, when you know you are wrong, you try to hijack the thread and twist it to make yourself right. You are talking about technicalities about genetics in a thread about racial profiling by the FBI. Racial profiling is based on APPEARANCE, that's it.
      As far as I know no one here as ever ignored me. In fact I'm pretty much well in demand when it comes to debates especially in R/S, the proof is in the threads. Most threads I participate in become far more active vs those that I do not participate in. Now, I'm having a straight up conversation with you about the way you label people and nothing more. I asked you a question about the two photos I've submitted why haven't you answered them?

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