Occupy Dreamviews

**Original Poster** · 10-05-2011 01:33 AM

Yeah I get that he doesn't think it's a federal issue, most issues handled by the feds should be handled by the states or county/city and this is something I support Paul for but a civil union is a marriage, In don't care what you call it church and state are already separate so by default any handlings the state has of marriage is over how marriage effects people in a secular fashion, meaning it should not differentiate between faiths or personal beliefs. Whether or not you call it marriage or civil union does not change what is in the eyes of the state: a financial and legal union. Whether or not this is a federal issue, a presidential candidate is still free to make the point that married individuals have rights that unmarried people do not for the protection of both the married and unmarried from opportunism. The state distinguishes married and unmarried for a secular purpose. Vocabulary is irrelevant.

**Xaqaria** · 10-05-2011 01:38 AM

Don't want to go to far into it because its way off topic (and we are already way off the topic of occupy wall st.) Civil Unions should be the extent of legal marriage and anyone should be able to do it; if I'm a neckbeard gamer with no girlfriend but have had the same (male or female) roommate for 5 years we should be able to have a civil union, or conversely there could simply be a legal standard that if you can show you have been living with someone for a certain amount of time then you have certain rights of visitation and or property in the event of their illness or death.

**Original Poster** · 10-05-2011 01:43 AM

That strikes me as flexible. Besides, marriage is about union in the eyes of the state. Union in the eyes of God has always been a separate issue. The word marriage is nothing more than a synonym for union and carries no precursory religious connotation.

**Descensus** · 10-05-2011 02:14 AM

This guy needs three things: A medal, a megaphone, and a bag of lozenges.

**Ne-yo** · 10-05-2011 02:37 AM

I must say that's a very powerful speech and I commend that guy. I didn't even know people were making speeches out there. All of the streams I've come across were people playing the conga drums and dancing in the streets. For a moment, I was thinking OWS was just a huge come one, come all street festival in N.Y...lol

All jokes aside this guy gets mad respect from me, great job.

**Descensus** · 10-05-2011 09:01 PM

11 Reasons Why Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are Hypocrites If They Do Not Call For Barack Obama To Resign - BlackListedNews.com

**Original Poster** · 10-05-2011 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

11 Reasons Why Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are Hypocrites If They Do Not Call For Barack Obama To Resign - BlackListedNews.com

This is valid, but calling Obama to resign would alienate the liberals in this country and turn OWS into another tea party demonstration. Real liberals dislike Obama because he's a corporatist but unfortunately the tea-party ruined all substantial criticism against Obama by calling him a socialist Kenyan. The reality is pinning this too much on Obama would promote the Republican bid for 2012 but it would not do jack to solve corruption in the private sector.

**Laughing Man** · 10-05-2011 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

This is valid, but calling Obama to resign would alienate the liberals in this country and turn OWS into another tea party demonstration. Real liberals dislike Obama because he's a corporatist but unfortunately the tea-party ruined all substantial criticism against Obama by calling him a socialist Kenyan. The reality is pinning this too much on Obama would promote the Republican bid for 2012 but it would not do jack to solve corruption in the private sector.

Do you mean Socialist Keynesian?

**Descensus** · 10-05-2011 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

This is valid, but calling Obama to resign would alienate the liberals in this country and turn OWS into another tea party demonstration. Real liberals dislike Obama because he's a corporatist but unfortunately the tea-party ruined all substantial criticism against Obama by calling him a socialist Kenyan. The reality is pinning this too much on Obama would promote the Republican bid for 2012 but it would not do jack to solve corruption in the private sector.

Socialist Kenyan or socialist Keynesian? I saw a satirical YouTube video where people mistook "Keynesian" for "Kenyan" and started calling the people who had the sign "birthers."

Edit - Laughing Man and I had a moment of mental resonance.

**Laughing Man** · 10-05-2011 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Socialist Kenyan or socialist Keynesian? I saw a satirical YouTube video where people mistook "Keynesian" for "Kenyan" and started calling the people who had the sign "birthers."

Edit - Laughing Man and I had a moment of mental resonance.

Are you thinking of this right now?

**Descensus** · 10-05-2011 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Are you thinking of this right now?

No, and now I never want to think of that lmao

**Laughing Man** · 10-05-2011 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

No, and now I never want to think of that lmao

Don't be a bigot against Garth Merenghi

**ThePreserver** · 10-05-2011 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Socialist Kenyan or socialist Keynesian? I saw a satirical YouTube video where people mistook "Keynesian" for "Kenyan" and started calling the people who had the sign "birthers."

That's sad. Sad that people don't understand that there ARE other ways to run an economy... ways that don't rely on one man's politics.

**stormcrow** · 10-06-2011 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Exercise caution in that respect. It doesn't take much to get caught up with the wrong crowd in the chaos of a protest, you DON'T want to end up with a criminal record... Ideology is all fun and games but that would really fuck up your life later on.

Thanks for the advice, Ill keep on my toes and exercise caution when photographing cops which is what I am most worried about. Walking around with a camera at a protest is like wearing a shirt with a bulls eye on it that says "arrest me". I'm going tomorrow morning (I'm really nervous but also pretty excited) anyone have any other advice that might save my ass in some way?

**ThePreserver** · 10-06-2011 12:44 AM

Know your rights, both overall and in peaceful assembly.

Know that they must read you your Miranda Rights, or else you can appeal.

Exercise respect, too. You're there to make a statement, not be an asshole!

**stormcrow** · 10-06-2011 03:19 AM

Also there is a live feed of the events in New York on adbusters.org.
Shit is actually hitting the fan right now.

Its also being streamed at http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

**Spartiate** · 10-06-2011 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by stormcrow

I'm going tomorrow morning (I'm really nervous but also pretty excited) anyone have any other advice that might save my ass in some way?

If ever law enforcement does stop you for whatever reason, be calm and cooperative, unless you're the kind that likes to be on TV...

**stormcrow** · 10-06-2011 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Spartiate

If ever law enforcement does stop you for whatever reason, be calm and cooperative, unless you're the kind that likes to be on TV...

Nah I don't want to be on TV and especially not in jail, I'm pretty respectful to police. I don't really plan on getting arrested nor do I even expect there to be any violence whatsoever but right now as we speak (type) there are people in New York getting beaten and arrested by police. Its 9:43 where I live so it is 11:43 in New York and there are still 20,000 people occupying the streets. Its been a couple weeks and the movement is growing more rapidly than ever. Its getting pretty crazy out there.

**juroara** · 10-06-2011 04:30 AM

HI GUYS!

I need your help ASAP!

Im slow on the uptake and I just found out occupy will be in Dallas tomorrow not so far from where I work. Timing couldn't be any better because I'm really worried about my job, as much as I love working for an eco-friendly-we-hate-monsanto company, its losing money fast and boss can break to me the bad news to me at any time now.

I wanna be a part of occupy tomorrow!

Me and my friend could use help with our signs! Theres so much to say I wouldn't know where to begin. I can see a lot of people like to share their personal story. I might do that. But I also want a bullet list. Hope someone can help me before the night.

A top issue for me is education and how ridiculously expensive it is to go to school, and how banks happily profit off student loans. The whole logic behind it for me, is absurd. I just dropped $500 today on my student loans, not a penny went to the initial loan it all went to the interest.

What are some top issues for you?

**stormcrow** · 10-06-2011 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by juroara

HI GUYS!

I need your help ASAP!

Im slow on the uptake and I just found out occupy will be in Dallas tomorrow not so far from where I work. Timing couldn't be any better because I'm really worried about my job, as much as I love working for an eco-friendly-we-hate-monsanto company, its losing money fast and boss can break to me the bad news to me at any time now.

I wanna be a part of occupy tomorrow!

Me and my friend could use help with our signs! Theres so much to say I wouldn't know where to begin. I can see a lot of people like to share their personal story. I might do that. But I also want a bullet list. Hope someone can help me before the night.

A top issue for me is education and how ridiculously expensive it is to go to school, and how banks happily profit off student loans. The whole logic behind it for me, is absurd. I just dropped $500 today on my student loans, not a penny went to the initial loan it all went to the interest.

What are some top issues for you?

I live in Dallas and am going to the protest tomorrow as well but I am not bringing a sign. I believe that one of the big issues is the fact that the rich (who are in the minority) have more sway in the government than the working people (the majority) which is incompatible with a self-declared democratic country. There are many issues being raised but most are economic in nature hence Wall Street being the central location for the protest in New York. Just go with what you think feels right. I hope to see you there be safe!

Also this just came out in New York

**~~DeletePlease~~** · 10-06-2011 07:51 AM

I like how the cop in blue is calmly telling the guy with the camera to back up a bit and then the the fat dude in white comes out of nowhere with his baton and goes Rambo on everyone.

**Ne-yo** · 10-06-2011 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by stormcrow

Its also being streamed at globalrevolution - live streaming video powered by Livestream

I have a friend from Madrid named Monica procasting on livestream out in N.Y. as well. If you ever happen to watch it, look out for her she's a revolutionary, hard core type but you could never tell by her looks. Anyway, Stormcrow be safe bro.

**tommo** · 10-06-2011 02:57 PM

Where is her link to stream?

EDIT: Here is a good link which sort of brings everything to a more personal level....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/0...ll-Bring-Tears

**juroara** · 10-06-2011 09:10 PM

*cries* I got lost. Epic failure! I'm new to town okay! I only had a paper map and somehow twice I missed pearl street. I'mma try again after work since I'm not too far from downtown. I hope other people will still be there! I just saw a video and I'm surprised by the turn out. Sure its not NY, but its more than I thought Texas would bring! I hope they do this again tomorrow or sometime in the weekend. I was supposed to meet a friend there but she CHICKENED out!

**IndieAnthias** · 10-06-2011 09:41 PM

I'd be there in Dallas if I could, that's where I'm from. Give 'em hell for me.

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