Thread: Occupy Dreamviews

In London the occupy protestors are now terrorists.

Police include Occupy movement on

LOL

One of my most hated and one of the most concerning things about modern society; the Orwellian plasticity of words like 'terrorist'.

Looking at the article, it seems the police didn't even understand what the issue was when asked to defend it. They just said 'our work against terrorism is accepted as a good thing'. They seriously could't distinguish between criminal activity and terrorism, or even plain political activism and terrorism.

Originally Posted by Xei

Your bill of rights was vague enough for segregation to be considered lawful.

And, whats wrong with that?

Originally Posted by Thatperson

And, whats wrong with that?

Sieg Heil brotha!

Get back to the bloody 20th century where evil socialists like you belong, OD.

Sorry your pictures failed to show up, so I can't see them. Also I'm not a socialist. Too much of any polarity is detrimental. I advocate balance. But you probably think any kind of federal government is socialism. Then when they remove that, you'll think any kind of state government is socialism. Then, when they remove that, you'll think any kind of local government is socialism until finally the only rights you have left are the ones dictated to you by the banks.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

dictated to you by the banks.

You really need to break out of thinking that pretty much every event in the world can be made to conform to a single simplistic system of rationalisation.

Originally Posted by cmind

Get back to the bloody 20th century where evil socialists like you belong, OD.

You sound like a bank lobbyist. It doesn't take a bolshevik "redistribution" to hold people and "legal persons" accountable. I cannot speak for anyone else but I for one want to see democratic justice through the trial of individuals who have perpetrated crimes against this country and its citizens. We already know what they have done, its public record. Jamie Dimon gave his own company a bailout while simultaneously working as NY Fed director. This type of shit is blatantly criminal and yet anyone who wants to see these people face justice is a "socialist/communist, terrorist, etc.".

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

You sound like a bank lobbyist. It doesn't take a bolshevik "redistribution" to hold people and "legal persons" accountable. I cannot speak for anyone else but I for one want to see democratic justice through the trial of individuals who have perpetrated crimes against this country and its citizens. We already know what they have done, its public record. Jamie Dimon gave his own company a bailout while simultaneously working as NY Fed director. This type of shit is blatantly criminal and yet anyone who wants to see these people face justice is a "socialist/communist, terrorist, etc.".

Why aren't people calling for the trials of the politicians who started endless wars and enslaved the population in taxes and welfare schemes? They've committed far more heinous crimes, so to ignore them proves that you really don't get it.

Originally Posted by cmind

Why aren't people calling for the trials of the politicians who started endless wars and enslaved the population in taxes and welfare schemes? They've committed far more heinous crimes, so to ignore them proves that you really don't get it.

They are employees. That's what you don't get. You think the corruption starts and stops with government. Government is a tool being manipulated by the banks.

I don't really like this whole Occupy thing. In my country at least, everyone doing it is either young and broke or a hippie, camping around on public grounds and causing mess.

From what I gather the Occupy stuff is about the "1%" controlling the economy to benefit themselves (or at least that is the impression I got from reading the website). What exactly does anybody hope will happen? The "1%" will spread around their wealth and fix up the economy and stop being "corrupt"? Uh, reality check please. The economy will always go up and down, there will always be someone richer than you who wants more money, and the world won't work is everything is as financially "perfect" and "equal" as they want it to be.

I've observed this for a while and to me it just seems like most of the protesters just have it out for people who are better off then they are, or are getting involved for the sake of it via the ol' bandwagon.

I see this as a big, costly waste of time.

Originally Posted by cmind

Why aren't people calling for the trials of the politicians who started endless wars and enslaved the population in taxes and welfare schemes? They've committed far more heinous crimes, so to ignore them proves that you really don't get it.

People are calling for their trials. George Bush jr. and Dick Cheney and others are wanted internationally for war crimes. There are places that they cannot go to because the locals have vowed to arrest on sight. There really isn't much of a difference between the "politicians" and "bankers/big business" anyway. So many of the key players are working for both of those teams that there is hardly any distinction.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't really like this whole Occupy thing. In my country at least, everyone doing it is either young and broke or a hippie, camping around on public grounds and causing mess.

From what I gather the Occupy stuff is about the "1%" controlling the economy to benefit themselves (or at least that is the impression I got from reading the website). What exactly does anybody hope will happen? The "1%" will spread around their wealth and fix up the economy and stop being "corrupt"? Uh, reality check please. The economy will always go up and down, there will always be someone richer than you who wants more money, and the world won't work is everything is as financially "perfect" and "equal" as they want it to be.

I've observed this for a while and to me it just seems like most of the protesters just have it out for people who are better off then they are, or are getting involved for the sake of it via the ol' bandwagon.

I see this as a big, costly waste of time.

The protests are because the 1% are not getting taxed properly. The tax breaks given to big companies like GE are equal to the entire income of the bottom 40%.

And the reason the economy fell is because lending gets deregulated in order to purposely crash the economy. Criminals which should go to prison for life for their crimes were bailed-out. And they managed to grab up a shitload of land and assets in the process due to foreclosure.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

People are calling for their trials. George Bush jr. and Dick Cheney and others are wanted internationally for war crimes. There are places that they cannot go to because the locals have vowed to arrest on sight. There really isn't much of a difference between the "politicians" and "bankers/big business" anyway. So many of the key players are working for both of those teams that there is hardly any distinction.

Now how about democrats who are guilty of war crimes, like Obama? Oh wait, the protesters vote democrat so they ignore those crimes.

Err... no we think he's guilty, too. Not sure if any official charges have been levied against him but since he did inherit the war you can expect people to be less motivated to call him a war criminal. But they started to after he murdered a US citizen.

But if we ended the persecution at politicians we'd be targeting the soldiers rather than the generals.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Err... no we think he's guilty, too. Not sure if any official charges have been levied against him but since he did inherit the war

How do you "inherit" a war? He continued the war, which means he is a warmonger. It's like seeing Uncle Joe raping little Timmy, and then when Joe is finished, you proceed to rape Timmy.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The protests are because the 1% are not getting taxed properly. The tax breaks given to big companies like GE are equal to the entire income of the bottom 40%.

The problem for me is that now people in our country are trying to get less tax for the poor and unfairly add more tax on the rich just because they "have more money". Thats not to say the rich shouldn't pair their fair amount. But it just seems like the "99%" want it fair for them and unfair for the others.

This might not speak for the whole movement, but around the world the message is being changed and diluted by different branches of the protest. Its beginning to discredit the cause.

Originally Posted by cmind

Now how about democrats who are guilty of war crimes, like Obama? Oh wait, the protesters vote democrat so they ignore those crimes.

You have no clue what the protesters want, do you? I can confidently make such a claim because anyone making such sweeping generalizations about the people who have become involved in the occupy movement must have no idea what is going on. It isn't a particular type of people this time; everyone is protesting. You cannot polarize this because there are just too many different people that any attempts to label becomes absurd. What about the democrats? What have you done to get Obama to stand trial for the murder of Anwar al-Aulaqi? I'd bet money that the answer is absolutely nothing. It's always about what "they" are doing or not doing and not about what you are or are not doing, isn't it? They are doing something. What are you doing?

Originally Posted by Loaf

The problem for me is that now people in our country are trying to get less tax for the poor and unfairly add more tax on the rich just because they "have more money". Thats not to say the rich shouldn't pair their fair amount. But it just seems like the "99%" want it fair for them and unfair for the others.

This might not speak for the whole movement, but around the world the message is being changed and diluted by different branches of the protest. Its beginning to discredit the cause.

General Electric's (GE) U.S. profits in 2010 came to $5.1 billion, while worldwide it earned $14.2 billion. It's tax bill for the year? $0.00. Over the last three years, GE's effective tax rate -- how much it actually pays the feds -- is a minuscule 3.6 percent. By the way, since 2002 the "imagination at work" company has put its thinking cap on and cut 20 percent of its domestic work force, while shipping thousands of jobs overseas.

GE's Scandalous Tax Breaks Are Rooted in Politics - CBS News

Again, you are being sort of American specific here. Maybe this really is just a problem with your country.

Originally Posted by Loaf

I don't really like this whole Occupy thing. In my country at least, everyone doing it is either young and broke or a hippie, camping around on public grounds and causing mess.

From what I gather the Occupy stuff is about the "1%" controlling the economy to benefit themselves (or at least that is the impression I got from reading the website). What exactly does anybody hope will happen? The "1%" will spread around their wealth and fix up the economy and stop being "corrupt"? Uh, reality check please. The economy will always go up and down, there will always be someone richer than you who wants more money, and the world won't work is everything is as financially "perfect" and "equal" as they want it to be.

I've observed this for a while and to me it just seems like most of the protesters just have it out for people who are better off then they are, or are getting involved for the sake of it via the ol' bandwagon.

I see this as a big, costly waste of time.

It doesn't cost anything....
That's the whole point. I talked to some people from the Aus "stem" of Occupy and they basically said they don't expect this to actually change a whole lot. But they do expect that more and more people will eventually join them in their way of thinking, after Occupy. And maybe they'll just have to create a new society.

Have you actually been to the protests, or are you basing your hippy remarks off the news?
Because, it's likely the former, and if I just go ahead and call you a sheep fucker....
Well, I'm sure that doesn't really represent you very well does it? Even if you do fuck sheep, that's not all there is to you. And I know you do. Since you live in New Zealand.

I see the Occupy Movement as a means to show the world we have an army. I believe the next step is to evolve our viral media complex into hardcore guerrilla journalism. We need to reverse the anti-socialism PR campaign.

Originally Posted by Loaf

Again, you are being sort of American specific here. Maybe this really is just a problem with your country.

Sorry I get so focused on narrow minded Americans I forget to bring it back full circle.

Looking at New Zealand, it seems that your government's reaction to the protests is reason enough for them to exist. Also the same international banks that pushed the US into a depression have branches in NZ and they're towing your country down the same road.

Oh and Loaf, no it is not just America specific. Even if you discount the companies and bankers which operate almost everywhere, there is still massive corruption in other countries in the police force and government.

I've heard people say "Oh, but it's really not that bad here". The only reason they say that is because they aren't slaves and/or society has not collapsed.... yet.