Thread: Is Ron Paul being ignored?

It was the same in 2008, only worse. They would actually remove him from online polls if he was doing too well. Now they at least begrudgingly admit he's running.

Ron Paul is and always will be disregarded by the majority of voters as a "crackpot" despite the handful of his undeniably great ideas. Definitely voting "Yes".

For the most part the media ignores Ron Paul but what I cant believe is that anyone really still relies on News Corporation networks for factual information. I think what is really being ignored is the fact that that he claims to be a strict constitutionalist but he doesn't believe in separation of church and state, wants to ban abortion by overturning Roe vs Wade, supports Israeli occupation of Palestine, and wants to end foreign aid.....did you guys want to talk about that at all? He has some fairly interesting ideas regarding the economy so everyone thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

For the most part the media ignores Ron Paul but what I cant believe is that anyone really still relies on News Corporation networks for factual information.

Ikr, they're all a bunch of snakes.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

I think what is really being ignored is the fact that that he claims to be a strict constitutionalist but he doesn't believe in separation of church and state, wants to ban abortion by overturning Roe vs Wade, supports Israeli occupation of Palestine, and wants to end foreign aid.....did you guys want to talk about that at all? He has some fairly interesting ideas regarding the economy so everyone thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

I'm not sure about what you said about the church and state thing because I was listening to him talk about how although he believes marriage should be between a man and woman, it's not the governments job to get into your business and in fact why is the government even handing out marriage licenses when it's a completely (need I say) "religious" thing to do. He also said that although he hates abortion, it should be up to the states to decide if they want to outlaw it or not.

Israel occupying Palestine is a new one on me. But he does win me over with wanting to withdraw our military from places they don't need to be (which is basically everywhere). I wouldn't want China building a military base in my backyard for example.

I'll come back with videos with him talking about these things unless someone else does.

Originally Posted by louie54

Is Ron Paul being ignored?

Isn't he always?

They are all ignoring him while at the same time the entire political field has shifted more towards his position. Which is amazing that everyone calls him crazy but then they are all trying to copy and be more like. Of course none of them are not even remotely to the real thing.

I like him. he seems honest.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

For the most part the media ignores Ron Paul but what I cant believe is that anyone really still relies on News Corporation networks for factual information. I think what is really being ignored is the fact that that he claims to be a strict constitutionalist but he doesn't believe in separation of church and state, wants to ban abortion by overturning Roe vs Wade, supports Israeli occupation of Palestine, and wants to end foreign aid.....did you guys want to talk about that at all? He has some fairly interesting ideas regarding the economy so everyone thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

That's kind of skewing his viewpoints a bit. He tries very hard to remain consistent. He's so consistent he actually comes off a little disagreeable sometimes, I'll admit that. You say he wants to overturn separation of church and state, but that's just not true, he just doesn't think the feds should be going out of their way to enforce secular ideals upon state law. You say he wants to overturn roe vs wade, but really he supports allowing states to make their own decision in regard to abortion. You say he supports israeli occupation of palestine when in fact he would stop giving israel weapons and money to oppress the Palestinians. You say he's against foreign aid but really he wants NGOs to lead foreign aid

Isn't this thread a lot like this thread? I even recognize some of the footage.

He's getting as much attention as a novelty deserves. He's probably getting more than Ralph Nader, the coverage seems fair to me.

You really shouldn't listen to those online polls. Ron Paul's presence is very concentrated within the net, and frequently people in the online community spam him up. Look at poll taken from a representative sample in the real world.

Originally Posted by Xei

You really shouldn't listen to those online polls. Ron Paul's presence is very concentrated within the net, and frequently people in the online community spam him up. Look at poll taken from a representative sample in the real world.

Okay lets look at the polls from the 'real world'. He keeps winning or coming in second place in most of the straw polls that involve people only allowed to vote in person as well, which shows he is doing very well. Unless you think Ron Paul supporters can also divided them self and then register to vote in multiple states and teleport across the country too.

And who are the people voting in those polls? Random Americans? Republican party members?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

That's kind of skewing his viewpoints a bit. He tries very hard to remain consistent. He's so consistent he actually comes off a little disagreeable sometimes, I'll admit that. You say he wants to overturn separation of church and state, but that's just not true, he just doesn't think the feds should be going out of their way to enforce secular ideals upon state law. You say he wants to overturn roe vs wade, but really he supports allowing states to make their own decision in regard to abortion. You say he supports israeli occupation of palestine when in fact he would stop giving israel weapons and money to oppress the Palestinians. You say he's against foreign aid but really he wants NGOs to lead foreign aid

I know I was being sensationalist I like Ron Paul but get annoyed by his supporters when they think he is fucking jesus christ. He has been consistent for like a couple decades, more than any other career politician. As for separation of church and state: "The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. — Ron Paul".

Roe vs Wade is a federal decision applying to all states because it was determined a fundamental right by the constitution. Allowing states to make their own policies on abortion does overturn Roe vs Wade. But yes your are right he wants to end foreign aid from the federal government including aid to Israel.

I'll admit I did not know he said that, and it seems pretty inconsistent and vote pandering. But maybe that's just because I think a separation of church and state is integral to the protection of religion and as fundamental as the bill of rights.

I'm sorry but maybe its because I'm not American: Umm... What makes this guy so different again from any other republican candidate? They all seem to want to run the country into the ground anyway, or is that just my ignorance.

Originally Posted by Quantiq

I'm sorry but maybe its because I'm not American: Umm... What makes this guy so different again from any other republican candidate? They all seem to want to run the country into the ground anyway, or is that just my ignorance.

I don't blame you for not being American. Some people suggest that he really should be running as an independent or some other third party, but if that happened he would be getting even less attention because the media/sheeple seem to only want a republican or democrat and no third party. Since he leans a little more right, he is running as a republican. At one meeting hosted by Fucks, the moderator basically asked Paul why is he even running as a Republican because he stands out against the other candidates.

He wants to bring our troops home like ASAP from every country in the world and the other candidates don't want that for whatever reason. He is also against things such as Capital Punishment and Prohibition, etc.

I know it may seem... out there. But I read from a post on another website that the reason why the media won't give him attention is because he doesn't want to support Israel anymore. And there does so happen to be a lot of Jewish people in the media. I don't know if that's true but it is something to think about.

Originally Posted by khh

Isn't this thread a lot like this thread? I even recognize some of the footage.

Weird, I didn't see that link listed as a similar thread when I made this one. Oh well.

Originally Posted by stormcrow

For the most part the media ignores Ron Paul but what I cant believe is that anyone really still relies on News Corporation networks for factual information. I think what is really being ignored is the fact that that he claims to be a strict constitutionalist but he doesn't believe in separation of church and state, wants to ban abortion by overturning Roe vs Wade, supports Israeli occupation of Palestine, and wants to end foreign aid.....did you guys want to talk about that at all? He has some fairly interesting ideas regarding the economy so everyone thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

You act like ending foreign aid is a bad thing.

Foreign aid: when the American government steals from the American poor to give money to an African dictator to kill the African poor.

Originally Posted by cmind

Foreign aid: when the American government steals from the American poor to give money to an African dictator to kill the African poor.

The reason people like Ron Paul so much is because most politicians are barely even competent when it comes to running the country, and so he is leagues above them. He isn't perfect, but he often seems like the only one taking issues seriously. The others say they are taking the issues seriously but then don't actually do anything.

The reason people defend him so strongly is because the complaints against him are usually nit picking stupid stuff. Some times stuff that doesn't even have a relevance to any of his policies. Usually the small complaints don't even remotely compare to say the collapse of the entire US economy, which he is the only one even addressing the issues. He is the only politician who seems to even understand the issue. You have to look at the big picture.

Obama is finally listening to what Ron Paul said back in 2003; "We should NOT be in a war in Iraq."

Obama announces full American military withdrawal from Iraq | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

The other GOP candidates are finally saying about the Fed what Ron Paul has been saying since 1988; "Audit the Fed."

Ignore him, even though his ideas are what we need, and then use those ideas to get votes, and forget those ideas once elected to continue "business as usual."

I think your post should be changed from "Is Ron Paul being ignored" to "Why is Ron Paul being ignored?" The answer to the thread is evident, but the WHY is a wide variety of reasons ^.^

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

I think your post should be changed from "Is Ron Paul being ignored" to "Why is Ron Paul being ignored?"

Well tbh, I already thought that he was being ignored but not everyone agrees (like the 1 vote for "No" possibly by Ninja), so I made it a Yes/No question for everyone.

Originally Posted by louie54

Well tbh, I already thought that he was being ignored but not everyone agrees (like the 1 vote for "No" possibly by Ninja), so I made it a Yes/No question for everyone.

I have factual evidence, not saying he's ignored, but saying he gets the least attention: Even though he's raised over 12 million dollars and is currently polling in third behind Romney and Cain in both Iowa and New Hampshire. (I should have provided the article at the time.)

Pew Research Center did some research, and found that Ron Paul has the fewest headlining pieces in the news, even behind Santorum (and PALIN) on Election 2012-related articles. Ron Paul Media Blackout Confirmed - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

It CAN be argued that he's not being ignored, but it cannot be argued that he gets the SAME amount of coverage. He has well-surpassed Bachmann and Gingrich in terms of money and polling, yet he's rarely covered.