Thread: White people acting black

Never hesitate to be more explicit.

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Fair enough. Like I alluded to before, I can be too vague at times.

Originally Posted by Somii

So, for those all in for "white pride," why? Do you feel even more compelled to do so simply "because other races have race pride?"

Amuse me.

Well firstly, I and noone else for that matter, of any race, has to justify their racial pride to anyone else. Do you have a problem with white pride? And in turn, do you have a problem with Black Pride? I actually pity the fact that you have so much white guilt. White pride isn't about hating other, its merely about NOT constantly putting your own race down, the amount of whiney white prideless people you get saying "Whites are so evil, because of X,Y,Z Blah blah blah. White X/Y/Z is so bad, Black/Asian X/Y/Z is so much better" This isn't to say that you can't appreciate the achievments of other races, nations or cultures, and give credit where credit is due. It is merely about NOT having overwhelming white guilt.

Everyone of all races needs a sense of racial pride to be psychologically healthy, the people with white pride I know tend to be me content, as they have a sense of wellbeing, whereas those with white guilt are often depressed about how little self worth they think they have.

Now White supremacy (that is beliving that other people are sub-human, not recognising that each race has differences which may provide and edge in certain areas) is where the problems lay. People with White Pride can get along people of other races perfectly well. Infact I think some of the white guilt people damage race relations by just being a doormat to those who want to take advantage of that.

WPWW!

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Well firstly, I and noone else for that matter, of any race, has to justify their racial pride to anyone else.

So?

Do you have a problem with white pride? And in turn, do you have a problem with Black Pride?

I consider both to be silly?

I actually pity the fact that you have so much white guilt.

White guilt?

White pride isn't about hating other, its merely about NOT constantly putting your own race down, the amount of whiney white prideless people you get saying "Whites are so evil, because of X,Y,Z Blah blah blah. White X/Y/Z is so bad, Black/Asian X/Y/Z is so much better"

So, you should 'put up' your whole race? Again, why, and not some of your race?

This isn't to say that you can't appreciate the achievments of other races, nations or cultures, and give credit where credit is due. It is merely about NOT having overwhelming white guilt.

So, white pride is a white person in the absense of overwhelming guilt of their skin color? Is that all?

So, white pride is a white person in the absense of overwhelming guilt of their skin color? Is that all?

Yes that basically is all, although I would replace the word color with race. What's silly about that?

You must have noticed how a lot of the younger generation, especially the students constantly put down whites as evil slave traders, or germans as nazis, and in the end all this does is heighten racial tensions. Even if you lack pride in your race and see nothing positive about it, is there anything negative about it, or reason why me and other person shouldnt have racial pride?

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Yes that basically is all, although I would replace the word color with race. What's silly about that?

Disregarding your lack thereof to answering all of my questions, your vague use of terms 'white pride' seems to imply other things than simply the absense of a guilty conscience towards one's race. Thus, I would like to investigate what exactly you mean, and your choice of the term 'pride'. I'll get it out of you by your response to this question: Would a blind man who is ignorant of his racial characteristic of 'whiteness,' be one to have 'white pride?

ok fair enough i'll go back and answer those questions, and I hope youll also answer mine that you did not answer.

So?

I was just sayin', y'know.

I consider both to be silly?

I think you put in the question mark by mistake there

White guilt?

Well I gave an example "You must have noticed how a lot of the younger generation, especially the students constantly put down whites as evil slave traders, or germans as nazis", White guilt is basically a feel of shame because of bad things whites have done in the past.

So, you should 'put up' your whole race? Again, why, and not some of your race?

Yes, Why not acknowledge the achievments of your race? At least it's something positive.

In response to your question about the blind man (is there any reason he is blind or is this just to spice up the story?) who is not aware of his race, then no he wouldn't have white pride. But that is moot, because this situation wouldn't occur in real life where he doesn't know his race.

White pride to me is a combination of white identity (simply recognising you are white), and an absense of white guilt.

Now i've answered your questions, would you answer my one when I said,

Even if you lack pride in your race and see nothing positive about racial pride, is there anything negative about it, or reason why me or another person shouldn't have racial pride?

@Thatperson Your response is a bit better, albeit still incoherent in some aspects. In any case, with some coherency, I'm now able to fairly critique some of what you've said, or at least manage to do so. Now, to begin:

I think you put in the question mark by mistake there

Nope.

Well I gave an example "You must have noticed how a lot of the younger generation, especially the students constantly put down whites as evil slave traders, or germans as nazis", White guilt is basically a feel of shame because of bad things whites have done in the past.

For further usage of the label "white guilt", it shall be defined then as: White guilt is the shameful reaction of a white person, caused by the reflection of certain acts in the past done by an individual or group of white people.

Yes, Why not acknowledge the achievments of your race? At least it's something positive.

The achievements of some people in your race, and the achievements of all people in your race, are two different matters. So, why does it seem like you are associating the achievements of some people in your race, to be the achievements of all people in your race? From your words - "why not acknowledge the achievements of your race"? - it's as if you fell into the thinking of "such a person of similarity completed a prideful task. Therefore, I should be prideful of my similarity". If so, do you think that this similar characteristic was the cause of such task? Why is it to be proud of? Is this rationale the same rationale that led those that you exemplified of associating their guilt to the actions caused by groups of people in the same race? Have you fell into the very same rationale as the people you ridiculed? Can you now see a bit further and notice how silly this "racial pride" is?

Also, I think that your sense of the usage "white pride" here, is different than the one that you've attempted to define for me.

In response to your question about the blind man (is there any reason he is blind or is this just to spice up the story?) who is not aware of his race, then no he wouldn't have white pride. But that is moot, because this situation wouldn't occur in real life where he doesn't know his race.

How moot is irrelevant to the purpose of this question.. (process of elimination)

White pride to me is a combination of white identity (simply recognising you are white), and an absense of white guilt.

Your response to my blind man question, a response of yours contradictory to your former definition, has been cleared of its contradictory nature by this new and refined definition. Thank you. As such, I have a better understanding of what you meant, and my blurry conception of what you may have possibly meant has been affirmed. I also believe that you're using two different senses of the meaning 'white pride', but unaware of it.

Now i've answered your questions, would you answer my one when I said, "Even if you lack pride in your race and see nothing positive about racial pride, is there anything negative about it, or reason why me or another person shouldn't have racial pride?"

Negative? Not necessarily. A reason why a person shouldn't have racial pride? My reason: because it's silly.

It's along the lines of having pride in the achievements of a family member, no it might not be you who has achieved whatever it is, someone may say they are proud of an alcoholic for a long period of abstention, pride is merely observing someone and acknowledging their achivements.

A member of a football team can be proud that they have won a game, even if he let the side down a bit during the match.

Having said all this, I can acknowledge the achievments of non-whites, but it would be silly of me to say I have black pride because that is something which I am not a part of. At the end of the day, to me, and to most people who have white pride, it's merely about self-respect, and self-worth, which is something that is unfortunatly in decline amongst whites these days. There no reason why I'll ever lose my white pride, and I can only hope that others follow suit in the future.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

It's along the lines of having pride in the achievements of a family member, no it might not be you who has achieved whatever it is, someone may say they are proud of an alcoholic for a long period of abstention, pride is merely observing someone and acknowledging their achivements.

It seems that I may be influencing your philosophy, as what usually happens when a person is engaged with a superior reason. Can you see it?

A member of a football team can be proud that they have won a game, even if he let the side down a bit during the match.

Out of curiosity, what does it mean for that team to have won exactly?

Having said all this, I can acknowledge the achievments of non-whites, but it would be silly of me to say I have black pride because that is something which I am not a part of. At the end of the day, to me, and to most people who have white pride, it's merely about self-respect, and self-worth, which is something that is unfortunatly in decline amongst whites these days. There no reason why I'll ever lose my white pride, and I can only hope that others follow suit in the future.

If "white pride" is merely about self-respect and self- worth, then "white pride" cannot mean the same as one of your other senses of "white pride," for the acknowledgement of other people's achievements cannot exist within its parameters.

lol. I'm just toying with ya now. As with Crazybone, we'll make a man out of you yet. yeehaww

In order to arrive at the truth, you must first be at least trying to understand the other point of view before you reply. I regret the work I put into this thread. Have fun.

Originally Posted by Never

In order to arrive at the truth, you must first be at least trying to understand the other point of view before you reply.

What was your purpose for mentioning this?

I don't see how you are influencing my philosophy.

If "white pride" is merely about self-respect and self- worth, then "white pride" cannot mean the same as one of your other senses of "white pride," for the acknowledgement of other people's achievements cannot exist within its parameters.

Ok, well the acknowledgement of achievements if just a by product that often accompanies white pride. White Pride is really at its the opposite of 'White Shame/White Guilt' and nothing more, when I refer to acknowledgements, what I suppose it all boils down to is those with white pride will focus themselves on the positives, and those with whtie guilt with focus on the negatives.

Originally Posted by tommo

What I mean is that racial pride is counterproductive.
Yes you can have pride in your OWN accomplishments, that is a good thing. Obviously.
But why would you want to "lift people up" that are only the same race as you?
You say it is possible to do this without bringing another race down. But I think the line between this is way too thin. And humans tend to go to extremes wherein they ignore everything else. I'm not saying we will end up being largely racist again, no.

What I'm saying is that it is too easy to get caught up in your pride in your own race, and not be proud of other races too.

But even besides that, why would you only be proud of people that are the same colour as you? It's quite arbitrary. Especially when most of them have done fuck all in the way of helping your race progress.

What this basically boils down to is the same thing as racism. Creating distinctions between races. When the only real difference is melatonin levels in the skin. I'm saying this is just perpetuating the perception of a distinction between different races.

First of all, racism is not merely the distinction of race--it's the recognition of the differences between two or more races and asserting that, because of these differences, one race is superior or inferior to another. Distinction of race is nothing more than an observation, which alone is, by definition, devoid of connotation. Thus, distinction of race cannot be racist. Secondly, I want to lift people of my own race up because people of other races already have members of their own race lifting them up. Normatively speaking we should be proud of everyone, proud of the human race as a whole. Realistically speaking, differences in culture and the overall attitude of people in general prevent this ideology from ever spreading beyond just a relatively small group of people. Does this mean that this way of thinking is wrong? Absolutely not. It simply isn't realistic. Lastly, read what I type more thoroughly or quit assuming. I never said to be proud only of your own race or the members of your own race. I was saying that it's okay to be proud of your race and that you should be. Again, it's possible to be proud of your own race without putting down other races or ignoring their accomplishments. You can be proud of those things too. The purpose of my post was to help dissolve the concept that being proud of your heritage, culture, and race is racist (especially if you are white).

Originally Posted by snoop

First of all, racism is not merely the distinction of race--it's the recognition of the differences between two or more races and asserting that, because of these differences, one race is superior or inferior to another. Distinction of race is nothing more than an observation, which alone is, by definition, devoid of connotation.

I really don't think the average human being is capable of such subtlety of thought. Which is a huge part of my argument.

Originally Posted by snoop

Secondly, I want to lift people of my own race up because people of other races already have members of their own race lifting them up.

So you're just playing the 1up game....

Originally Posted by snoop

Normatively speaking we should be proud of everyone, proud of the human race as a whole. Realistically speaking, differences in culture and the overall attitude of people in general prevent this ideology from ever spreading beyond just a relatively small group of people. Does this mean that this way of thinking is wrong? Absolutely not. It simply isn't realistic.

So do you think that people stereotype their own race?
There are massive differences between people of the same race. I don't see any bigger differences between some people of different races.
I like how you think people overlook this fact, yet you think they are capable of making the subtle distinction between being proud of their own race and thinking theirs is better than other races.

OK this was boring. This race was yellow this race was black, my puppy was ginger and my kitty was white. Who fuching cares? Now the color of your car and your carpet. those things are important/sarcasm.

Tall people acting short.

To the OP:

I'm sorry but I find "black" and "white" to be incomparablele.
And we're not just human beings, we are a people of many different cultures.

Like a melting pot as America was where a country went in a few generations from having Black People as slaves to having them head their military and be their President.

Coal is black, and Diamonds shine. When sand irritates oysters, they produce Pearls.

:<


if I think adele is black, does that go in this thread?

Ok I just had to say something...Everyone has good points in this thread, especially Jeff

But I want to address the OP:

One entire race cannot speak for one thing, you are generalizing an entire race. You keep saying black people are claiming this and that...One black person, or even a couple black people don't speak for an entire race.

I'm sorry but your post sound completely close-minded and it sounds like you live in a predominately white area where you don't have much contact with blacks.

It's not your fault though, because you don't know. White people don't act "black"....there is no acting black..there's only being true to yourself or not being true to yourself. What you refer to "acting black" is in fact IGNORANCE. What you think "Acting black" is, is actually an identity fed to you by mainstream media....Rap music, actors, movies, etc. But....none of that is real...that's just television and media.

People act out these identities because they are in an egoic trance and follow trends. This identity actually started with hip hop culture, it began with being true and real, but it has been exploited by Corporate White-Collars for financial gain

Crazy Bone, hang out with more black people. Black people can be some of the most humble, compassionate, and fun people you meet.

being black is not an accomplishment, it’s a genetic accident

Actually if you are white you come from black people..Black man is the original man and if you don't agree with this you don't agree with modern science.

Originally Posted by Majestic

Ok I just had to say something...Everyone has good points in this thread, especially Jeff

But I want to address the OP:

One entire race cannot speak for one thing, you are generalizing an entire race.

Actually if you are white you come from black people..Black man is the original man and if you don't agree with this you don't agree with modern science.

The irony.

How is this ironic? I said he was generalizing an entire race because he said "black people say this" "black people are claiming this and that"

What does that have to do with science?

Originally Posted by Majestic

How is this ironic? I said he was generalizing an entire race because he said "black people say this" "black people are claiming this and that"

What does that have to do with science?

You may connect the dots on your own.


Another thing - please use the term 'over-generalize' instead. Trust me