Thread: White people acting black

Wow. Acting black sounds fun. But I'm mostly white so I have no idea how to do it. Is there any advice that you have on how to act black? How do I know when people are acting black or not? How exactly are black people supposed to act? I'm very confused.

Originally Posted by tommo

I actually do agree with you though.

Originally Posted by tommo

I still think you're all missing the point. Which is easy given the retarded OP.

Wow, your tone sure changed after all the other people started disagreeing with me.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

To say that someone who is black is a genetic accident appears racist to me.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

-adjusts overalls- Boy, you dun goofed.

You guys are misinterpreting what I meant. It's a genetic accident as in it was pure chance that they were born black, so skill was involved. Nothing had to be accomplished by the person to attain "blackness." Therefore, being proud of it just seems stupid to me, since by definition, pride is something you feel after accomplishing something. Or, having a high opinion of your own importance; which just seems like self-masturbation to me. I'm not proud of any accomplishments white people have made, I had nothing to do with that shit. I understand why black people feel prideful, I'm just making the argument that it's not a good thing.

Originally Posted by DuB

Do you really think that the little tantrum you threw in the OP deserves more thoughtful responses than that?

No, of course not.

Originally Posted by DuB

Only after you formulate your thoughts into a coherent thesis with some supporting arguments are you entitled to deride other posters for not contributing to a thoughtful discussion.

When did I deride someone? (if I did it was purely accidental) I stated from the beginning that my OP came off as more of a rant than an actual thesis, because the focus was kind of all over the place. Instead of just delete my post I decided I might as well post it and see if we can get a discussion going, which I think we’ve done.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

You really sound like the kind of guy who met a few blacks who called you out on your biggie smalls cd so you rushed home and straight into the comfort of DV to lash out your rage at three or four blacks upon the entire black race as a whole.

Yeah I was afraid I would come across like that, which is why I hesitated using my own experience as an example. For the record, I’ve never had black people call me out on it, only whites. I don’t take things like that personally, and that’s not the motivation behind my rant, it was merely an example.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

My issue with your post isn't about your message, it's about who you are addressing as a whole. BLACKS. As if I've somehow aided the guilty parties whom you loathe so much.

Ignorance and stupidity have no racial boundaries, so be more careful when speaking as if they do.

Right, I used blacks in the example because it’s easier for me to pick something specific instead of having some all-encompassing message about racial prejudices, and this is something I see all the time nowadays so it seemed more relevant than say, black people “acting white” (I’m looking at you Al Roker).

Again, I’m not trying to attack black people at all; some of my closest friends are black (yeah I know, I know).

I'm going to put this as simply as it can probably be put:

The main problem with the OP is that, while 90% of the entire post addresses why it's wrong for blacks to ridicule whites for 'acting black', the last 10% clearly states that it works both ways, and whites are often guilty of doing the same thing, in reverse. It makes it seem like a case of OP bias, more than anything else. It's like "damn, why to black people do this??" and then, quietly, it's "well yeah, white people do it, too, but we're not talking about that, here."

<short pause, for effect>

Now, to elaborate: How about all of the flack I get from both sides, for often 'sounding white?' All those off-color (no pun-intended) comments I get, from whites and blacks alike, because I often 'don't sound black' (usually because I have a pretty good vocabulary and often use proper english when speaking). This 'divisiveness,' that it seems the OP is founded on, is not a 'black thing'. Whites are often just as guilty. Having grown up with plenty of white kids that 'act black', I can tell you that they are often criticized by other whites who don't approve of the 'hip hop culture', whether overtly or reservedly.

With all that being said, though, I understand what the OP is getting at, and while it's something that can - very understandably - cause contempt, there is a lot of context which must be understood. There is a level of comradary (sp) within 'ethnic' communities, that white people - as the historical 'majority' - really don't seem to understand. Most people may find it illogical and - given concepts like 'black on black crime' - many find it to be hypocritical, but it is very real. It's kind of like how people in a single community might lie, cheat and steal from each other, but when their community is invaded or encroched upon by another, those people will often band together under an unwritten commonality.

So, yeah, black culture (and other 'ethnic' cultures) are often very possessive of their trends and their figureheads. Why? Because the black 'community' had been written off by so many as 'worthless' and 'inferior', for so long. You don't really expect that kind of disdain to disappear overnight (or over a couple of decades), do you? That's why it exists. I'm not going to try to downplay it, as if you're just delusional, because, like I said, blacks are often critical of other blacks who 'act white' (granted, these are all ignorant folks who don't understand that the way you act has much less to do with what color you are, than with what area you grew up in), but even if you don't agree with it - and most of us don't - you have to at least acknowledge the reason for it.

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I haven't read the whole thread, but my opinion:

If a white kid can pull it off, then fine. If they seem ridiculous or like they're frontin' then mock them relentlessly till they come to their senses.

Some white people grew up ghetto or street, and act that way naturally. There's no holding it against them - they're just being themselves. Some just dig the hip hop or rap scene and want to act cool. In those cases, some can get away with it due to their look or personality, some just make big fools of themselves and bring shame on the whole game (Ha! Me tryin' ta front! You dig it? )

I think this is the thread where Omnis mentioned Jessie on Breaking Bed? Not sure he's really just "acting black" so much as being street - but he can pull it off. More power to him.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

It's like "damn, why to black people do this??" and then, quietly, it's "well yeah, white people do it, too, but we're not talking about that, here."

That's not at all how I feel about it, it's not like some afterthought for me that white people do it too. I've already stated numerous times throughout this thread that everyone (including white people) are guilty of this. I was merely using black people as an example because it's the most prevalent form of it (at least where I live). But no matter how hard I try to explain my stance, it still comes across like I'm racist, or at least slightly prejudiced, because i'm white, talking about blacks. I love black people. Jesus fuck, I don't know what else to say.

I agree with everything else you said though...

Originally Posted by eldante

I don't really think it is appropriate to completely categorize all black people like that. There are individuals who think for themselves in any and all categories of beings and I sincerely hope you retract that post. You cannot speak for others. Down tight? Dream Guide issue 109. Ok, I haven't written it yet, but dream guide issues are not bound by silly time frames or human skin color issues. No time for such silliness. Copish? If not, let me slow it down. In all classes of individuals there are always individuals not bound by the generalities imposed on them by others (well meaning or not) and so they go on alone and think for themselves. So if you say to me I have to be this or that because of skin color or gender or looks or age, I would suggest you stand back and think again. Power to the individual.

The fact of the matter remains that I'm talking about the culture as a whole, and there's no way to get into the individuals mind state and come up with a general consensus to why a race on a broad perspective acts in a certain manner. The point I'm trying to make is after their culture was erased, and they were oppressed for hundreds of years, and the direct effect of that was the pride in ownership of things they hold dear to this day. And you wasted time with your "be this or that" sentence. I never said, or implied anything to that.

Originally Posted by Never

However, I am white. I like myself...so does not the rest follow? I have a natural love of my people and a desire to keep them around as long as possible so I consider it a very important issue. Other races I think should feel the same. Right now there are people invading Africa that would like nothing more than to eradicate the blacks from their ancient homeland, because they simply hate them.

Hm, could that be because they have white pride? They are proud of their race?

Yes.

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

Wow, your tone sure changed after all the other people started disagreeing with me.

Did it? I believe I basically called you a retard in your first post as well and told you to GTFO.
I also said I agreed with you in my second post. I haven't changed my tone at all.

Originally Posted by Auron

The fact of the matter remains that I'm talking about the culture as a whole, and there's no way to get into the individuals mind state and come up with a general consensus to why a race on a broad perspective acts in a certain manner. The point I'm trying to make is after their culture was erased, and they were oppressed for hundreds of years, and the direct effect of that was the pride in ownership of things they hold dear to this day. And you wasted time with your "be this or that" sentence. I never said, or implied anything to that.

WOAH! Wait.... you seriously understood that post and were able to compile a reply to it??
phwoa....

Originally Posted by tommo

WOAH! Wait.... you seriously understood that post and were able to compile a reply to it??
phwoa....

In a philisophernumbers sort of way....yes.

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

That's not at all how I feel about it, it's not like some afterthought for me that white people do it too. I've already stated numerous times throughout this thread that everyone (including white people) are guilty of this. I was merely using black people as an example because it's the most prevalent form of it (at least where I live). But no matter how hard I try to explain my stance, it still comes across like I'm racist, or at least slightly prejudiced, because i'm white, talking about blacks. I love black people. Jesus fuck, I don't know what else to say.

I understand that. I was simply saying that that's the way the OP came across, and why it perpetuates the idea that you just have a problem with black people doing it.

Liked all the black people's posts in this thread.

This means I'm not racist.

Originally Posted by tommo

Hm, could that be because they have white pride? They are proud of their race?

Yes.

Yes pride = murderous evil.

I suppose hating ourselves would then bring about world peace.

Please don't bother coming up with another logical argument.

Originally Posted by Never

Yes pride = murderous evil.

I suppose hating ourselves would then bring about world peace.

Please don't bother coming up with another logical argument.

Having pride in the human race, instead of one race. Clever guy.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

oo boy you gun trippin crazy boy bone. You hatin on blacks dog. NOT col. NOT COOL.

Get it together

Originally Posted by tommo

Hm, could that be because they have white pride? They are proud of their race?

Yes.

Honestly I think it might have more to do with hating black people, rather than having pride in themselves. Having pride in your race in no way implies or means to create animosity toward other races. It simply means that you enjoy being a member of the race you belong to and generally prefer to be around people of your color and culture when taking part in social events. This fact does not mean that I view black people, or any other race for that matter, as inferior or stupid or really anything. It just means I get what white people are saying more--we like to talk about and do more of the same things because we are culturally closer-minded than we would be if we were hanging out with other people of different races than our own. However, I hang out with black people all the time, even my roommate is black. I enjoy hanging around my black friends and meeting new black people (I'm using black as an example here mostly because it's black and white people at the college I'm going to... very few ethnicities here) as much as I do white people, but often it's just easier to relate and make jokes with and do things with other white people. No one can pretend that they would rather not be with people they understand and that understand them. If this understanding crosses racial barriers then more power to you, but I'm not going to shun my (harmless) feelings just because it is allegedly "wrong".

Whites are just about the only race that are bludgeoned into believing that racial pride is wrong and racist. Black people, Hispanics, and Asians in America all have interest groups protecting and pushing for the interests of their races, but no one seems to find this racist at all--and for good reason: it isn't. Arrogance and vanity are not the same thing as pride, mind you. There are really two kinds of pride; one is destructive and one is constructive and vital to really live. The destructive kind is obviously bad and doesn't serve to help anyone, but could you imagine a world without pride? No one would even like themselves or ever get a sense of accomplishment. Racial pride should be something that lifts people up, albeit people of the same race as you. It should not bring others down in the process, the two are completely unrelated and it's possible to achieve one without having to achieve the other.

Originally Posted by CRAZY BONE

Wow, your tone sure changed after all the other people started disagreeing with me.

Seems his tone is just around the same.

Welcome to Extended Discussions. We'll tear you apart and make a man out of you.

Well this thread has made my day, I can't belive white people are actually finally losing their 'white guilt' and also us being able to openly talk about these issues without people getting shot down instantly as racists, for even saying the word black, or race.

Now, I would be the first to jump on this ghetto culture that has been one of the most destructive thing to happen human society in basically all of human histroy. However, what we must remember is that this doesn't really represent black culture, blacks do have a culture, and their are many a good black musician out there, but in 2011, they wouldn't get a chance of fame. This ghetto culture is artificial, and propogated by the degenerate liberal media, especially MTV.

I knew there were some people with spines around here somewhere. Thank you.

I have a bit more time now, and perhaps I have been vague, so just to make it clear:

Originally Posted by snoop

Whites are just about the only race that are bludgeoned into believing that racial pride is wrong and racist. Black people, Hispanics, and Asians in America all have interest groups protecting and pushing for the interests of their races, but no one seems to find this racist at all--and for good reason: it isn't. Arrogance and vanity are not the same thing as pride, mind you. There are really two kinds of pride; one is destructive and one is constructive and vital to really live. The destructive kind is obviously bad and doesn't serve to help anyone, but could you imagine a world without pride? No one would even like themselves or ever get a sense of accomplishment. Racial pride should be something that lifts people up, albeit people of the same race as you. It should not bring others down in the process, the two are completely unrelated and it's possible to achieve one without having to achieve the other.

Originally Posted by Thatperson

Now, I would be the first to jump on this ghetto culture that has been one of the most destructive thing to happen human society in basically all of human histroy. However, what we must remember is that this doesn't really represent black culture, blacks do have a culture, and their are many a good black musician out there, but in 2011, they wouldn't get a chance of fame. This ghetto culture is artificial, and propogated by the degenerate liberal media, especially MTV.

This is all I was trying to say, but better than I was able to articulate it. People seem to have this fear that if people get together in white pride, then it will suddenly develop into Nazi Germany all over again. This is understandable given the WW2 allied example, e.g. "Hitler is bad, Stalin is good" but completely illogical. I am not a slave owner or a Stalinist anymore than those degenerate rapists on MTV represent the black race.

It is refusal to allow people to be free that leads to violence. The denial of social realities, not the embracing of them. Approval seeking is not king and never will be; it lies and destroys. White guilt is just that. Imagine a black man saying:

"I love white people, really, really I do so please forgive me for saying this....."

He would look absurd; because he would have nothing to apologize for. So I will put this out there to anyone in general:

STOP assuming we hate black people because we love white people. Just because I did not launch into a string of pathetic apologies does not mean I harbor animosity towards any race I did not include in same. I don't care if you hate me for telling the truth, and neither should you of others.

That said, one might think it eccentric to care so much about race, and that is okay. This is what liberty is all about. I just disagree. I like the diversity on this planet, and wish to keep it safe from insane universalist/globalist philosophies, which are never more than a cover for genocide; of any race or even subracial (not to be taken to mean "subhuman") or ethnic category and culture thereof.

I disagree, I think the pendulum has swung back to the point where I could EASILY see someone like Herman Cain or Al Sharpton saying that very phrase in a context of trying to critique aspects of white culture. I don't think white pride would lead back to nazis anymore than I agree with Charles Manson's belief that the blacks were going to start a race war back in the 60s. I just don't think it's necessary outside of prison and is just as detrimental to society as this so-called "ghetto culture" being referred to, which I would actually call Prison Fashion instead.

So, for those all in for "white pride," why? Do you feel even more compelled to do so simply "because other races have race pride?"

Amuse me.

Originally Posted by Never

This is all I was trying to say, but better than I was able to articulate it. People seem to have this fear that if people get together in white pride, then it will suddenly develop into Nazi Germany all over again.

Ok, I just wanna clear this up, I was not saying this at all. vvvv

Originally Posted by snoop

There are really two kinds of pride; one is destructive and one is constructive and vital to really live. The destructive kind is obviously bad and doesn't serve to help anyone, but could you imagine a world without pride? No one would even like themselves or ever get a sense of accomplishment. Racial pride should be something that lifts people up, albeit people of the same race as you. It should not bring others down in the process, the two are completely unrelated and it's possible to achieve one without having to achieve the other.

What I mean is that racial pride is counterproductive.
Yes you can have pride in your OWN accomplishments, that is a good thing. Obviously.
But why would you want to "lift people up" that are only the same race as you?
You say it is possible to do this without bringing another race down. But I think the line between this is way too thin. And humans tend to go to extremes wherein they ignore everything else. I'm not saying we will end up being largely racist again, no.

What I'm saying is that it is too easy to get caught up in your pride in your own race, and not be proud of other races too.

But even besides that, why would you only be proud of people that are the same colour as you? It's quite arbitrary. Especially when most of them have done fuck all in the way of helping your race progress.

What this basically boils down to is the same thing as racism. Creating distinctions between races. When the only real difference is melatonin levels in the skin. I'm saying this is just perpetuating the perception of a distinction between different races.

You have some good points tommo. It is a thin line, I agree, but all social ideas have this dilemma, such as capitalism; it can become corporate facism easily, as we have seen, but this does not mean that we give up on the Austrian school. Consider the alternative; follow this idea that "we are all the same" to it's conclusion. While you may feel this way, many people of other races, ethnicities, and cultures do not (in my opinion), mostly unconsciously in more supposedly "civilized" countries.

Besides, I do not agree that "skin color" is the only issue; besides the fact that there are many more differences, those which we know of and perhaps some that we do not, there is also ethnicity and culture to deal with. Blurring racial lines is similar to trying to make a one world nationality; except a nation is an idea, albeit an important one, but race has at least some basis in reality.

And I am very proud of the human race as well, so it follows that I am proud of all races, and this is wherein the question turns, again to a love of diversity, of humanity, and all races. In my opinion universalism is more a hatred of all races while still being proud of all humanity, yet one must admit that humanity consists of various races.

Originally Posted by Never

...And I am very proud of the human race as well, so it follows that I am proud of all races, and this is wherein the question turns, again to a love of diversity, of humanity, and all races.

What's the question and how did it turn?

In my opinion universalism is more a hatred of all races while still being proud of all humanity, yet one must admit that humanity consists of various races.

Then your concept of universalism cannot exist - unless pride and hatred of a thing can inconceivably co-exist.