I don't want to go back to primitive life. I would like to see what it's like soon. But I don't think I want to live it every day for the rest of my life. |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
I'm not talking about preferences, I'm talking about something being objectively better. |
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There is a slight incongruency there. We've managed to conquer nature without losing touch with it? I know these were two different trains of thought but the tracks do cross at some point. |
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Last edited by IndieAnthias; 12-04-2011 at 01:10 PM.
Just because we can be beyond her whims does not infer that we can return to it through things like nature walks, star-gazing etc. The point is that we have the option to live a "civilized" (if it could be called that) life or a primitive one. The option is ours, not mother nature's. |
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Last edited by Darkmatters; 12-04-2011 at 05:44 PM. Reason: double post
'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
That smacks of unilinear cultural evolution. "Primitive" to "civilized" is the exact framing of some thoroughly debunked 19th century anthropology. |
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Last edited by IndieAnthias; 12-04-2011 at 07:58 PM.
Oh I am perfectly willing to accept the idea that civilizations can "devolve" if we can call it that. Ideas get lost in the span of history, trust me if there is anyone how knows it better then it is historians which I study. Perhaps I used the wrong word, developed? Is that better? |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
Dude... what? Let me repeat myself. |
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Everything works out in the end, sometimes even badly.
'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
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"For the third time, please: when we reach the point where working machines have intelligence and dexterity greater than their average human counterparts, what jobs are left for the humans?" |
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Last edited by Wayfaerer; 12-05-2011 at 07:36 AM.
Three problems: firstly, machines will eventually be better at creativity. Two, there's only so much that can be usefully created; we are not going to keep inventing things for the next billion years on Earth. Thirdly, seven billion people can't seriously be employed in 'being creative'. |
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lol, what an absurd situation. The once so self-apparent reasons for doing something like mechanization are totally forgotten once we achieve it. Either that, or we realize how mal-formed and tentative the original plan was, and now we're clueless with what to do with the fruits of our progress. Couldn't we.... not work anymore?? No, employment has been for it's own sake for so long, we're clueless about what to do without it, and any notion that we've made things easier with technology is pure delusion. The Red Queen strikes again. |
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Wait until we hit 9 billion people, and level out at 10 billion, and need to supply fresh water, food, and energy to all of these humans AND machines, find resources to BUILD this technology, and somehow protect the environment from being absolutely decimated... |
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Yes. It's very interesting at least. The thing is I don't personally know the solution; I just recognise that there is a problem. |
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It seems a little too much to say this will undoubtedly happen, I just have this feeling that there will necessarily be subtle shortcomings in trying to reconstruct nature. |
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All I can think of is somehow dismantle (or scale back) division of labor. Do your own everything. Not an easy sell, drawbacks notwithstanding, but some choose this route and seem to enjoy it, provided a little company. On a large scale, though, I suppose this isn't much better than any other un-tought-out call to abandon technology. Never mind my loose rambling. |
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Last edited by IndieAnthias; 12-05-2011 at 10:41 PM.
I doubt it, but we've got millions of years potentially, and I was just making a philosophical point anyway. |
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But what feels necessary is social ingrained. And I think we could quickly change what we think is necessary. Some people would change their view straight away, then after a few generations, it would become |
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It is true that many people who are out of work become degenerate, but many people engaged in work are degenerate as well. |
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