Thread: Ron Paul 2012

Yeah the argument that Ron Paul is not electable is horse shit. He's the best shot the republicans have at beating Obama. Romney couldn't beat Obama in his wildest dreams cause every liberal would support Obama over a bible-thumping fundamentalist. If it were Romney and Obama, I'd vote 3rd party. If it were Paul and Obama, I'd vote Paul. I think a lot of liberals feel the same way.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

If it were Romney and Obama, I'd vote 3rd party. If it were Paul and Obama, I'd vote Paul.

I am doing precisely that. And by 3rd party, I'm supporting Gov. Johnson; he will have the greatest ballot access (all 50 states) and according to recent polls, he has a chance at winning his homestate of New Mexico; which would be a huge "fuck you" to the establishment. (Also, I DO agree with him on most things; so I'm not just voting for the most likely to be successful 3rd Partier, but the one who is the best in my opinion.)

There's paranoid, and then there's 'protests against the government are just more evidence of a totalitarian government' paranoid.

I don't even know how to feel about politics these days. I can't shake the feeling that there are too many variables to account for to possibly make an informed decision.

One thing I am sure of is that people place way too much value in any president's abilities. Granted, the American president is arguably the single most powerful man on the planet, the scope of his powers are still very limited. He has to deal with congress to get any legislation through. He has to deal with the constant propaganda war that marginalize his successes and magnify or fabricate his failures. He has to deal with angry voters when he realizes one of his campaign promises is actually a very bad idea. People seem to think the president is some all-powerful wizard who can make the entire government bend to his will. He's not.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

I don't even know how to feel about politics these days. I can't shake the feeling that there are too many variables to account for to possibly make an informed decision.

One thing I am sure of is that people place way too much value in any president's abilities. Granted, the American president is arguably the single most powerful man on the planet, the scope of his powers are still very limited. He has to deal with congress to get any legislation through. He has to deal with the constant propaganda war that marginalize his successes and magnify or fabricate his failures. He has to deal with angry voters when he realizes one of his campaign promises is actually a very bad idea. People seem to think the president is some all-powerful wizard who can make the entire government bend to his will. He's not.

I think you are falling into your own criticism. He is the most powerful man in the world yet he is limited? You seem to be assigning him great power yet complaining against people who give him too much power.

I would not even dream of calling the US president the most powerful man in the world. He's just the elected spokesperson for whatever interests put him into office. The Central Bankers are more powerful than the White House, they not only own the President but the Congress as well.

True, Ben Bernackie is probably the most powerful man in the world.

Congressman Ron Paul calls Wikileaks & Bradely Manning Heros
Pathethic.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Pathethic.

I am an Englishman so my opinion probably counts for little but he is the president the USA needs. He is the only candidate that has a long record of standing firm behind everything he says. A true libertarian and a staunch observer of the constitution and bill of rights. I don't agree with everything he stands for but isn't it interesting that he gets more donations from the military than any other candidate and the least amount of donations from the bankers? It has made me very angry the way the mainstream media has blatantly ignored him and the public support for him over the last three months. However, his support just keeps getting stronger because he has a very sound economic policy and the only viable foreign policy to create more peace and stability in the world. Please watch the video of the highlights of his contribution to the recent debate in South Carolina.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I am an Englishman so my opinion probably counts for little but he is the president the USA needs. He is the only candidate that has a long record of standing firm behind everything he says. A true libertarian and a staunch observer of the constitution and bill of rights. I don't agree with everything he stands for but isn't it interesting that he gets more donations from the military than any other candidate and the least amount of donations from the bankers? It has made me very angry the way the mainstream media has blatantly ignored him and the public support for him over the last three months. However, his support just keeps getting stronger because he has a very sound economic policy and the only viable foreign policy to create more peace and stability in the world. Please watch the video of the highlights of his contribution to the recent debate in South Carolina.

I was genuinely shocked that that dumbass crowd actually boo'ed him when he brought up the golden rule. Sort of shows that they're probably just all "KILL NON-WHITES" warmongers.

The fact that Paul gets the most donations from active military members also goes to show that the other candidates, in all honesty, probably don't care about the boots on the ground. I imagine they think of it as a game of Rome: Total War. There's no connection to the units, they're just pawns used for some victory. Perhaps that's why they're so ready to go to war whereas Paul isn't?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I was genuinely shocked that that dumbass crowd actually boo'ed him when he brought up the golden rule. Sort of shows that they're probably just all "KILL NON-WHITES" warmongers.

The fact that Paul gets the most donations from active military members also goes to show that the other candidates, in all honesty, probably don't care about the boots on the ground. I imagine they think of it as a game of Rome: Total War. There's no connection to the units, they're just pawns used for some victory. Perhaps that's why they're so ready to go to war whereas Paul isn't?

Absolutely man!

I believe the candidate with the correct froeign policy is of grave, extreme importance. The following testimony at a congressional progressive caucus by veteran Kristofer Goldsmith brought a few tears to my eyes because I understand the brutality of these wars and the root causes of them. It also explains why the military is supporting Ron Paul more than any other candidate.

'Golden rule...'
'BOOOO!!!'

Lol America.

Yeah the military is also very much in favor of Occupy Wallstreet. Veterans make up a large number of the protesters but the media focuses on the drum circle aspect and ignores the fact that our veterans are more disillusioned about our government than anybody.

candidate Paul:president Paul::candidate x:president x

Correction to Xei's quote:

"Golden Rule..." - Ron Paul
"BOOOOO!!!" - (Self-proclaimed) Christians

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Correction to Xei's quote:

"Golden Rule..." - Ron Paul
"BOOOOO!!!" - (Self-proclaimed) Christians

This was held in South Carolina, after all.

Ron Paul on Julian Assange
ron paul is the very definition of traitor. what a stupid little man

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Ron Paul on Julian Assange
ron paul is the very definition of traitor. what a stupid little man

I don't think you even watched that video. He is absolutely right about everything he said in it.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Ron Paul on Julian Assange
ron paul is the very definition of traitor. what a stupid little man

I cannot hear anything in that clip that supports your view that Ron Paul is betraying his country. Im gald he brought up the gulf of Tonkin incident as an example to support his views on current wars that certain government officials, up to and including the president, are still capable of complete dishonesty. Even declassififed documents now prove that the Vietnam war was started because of fabricated lies. This doesn't show him to be stupid, it shows that he isn't naive to automatically trust what ceratin colleagues of his are saying which are then regurgitated to the masses. It also takes a big man to stand on the house floor to say what he said in that film clip.

Expanding on Mr. Paul's speech about Iraq who do you think is being traiterous in this following story? Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski was ordered by military and government staff in the Pentagon to fabricate evidence about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. She refused. She later read the evidence that was fabricated by others and then listened in shock as George Bush and Colin Powell read that fabricated evidence out to the world verbatim. She left the air force and approached many journalists to expose this traiterous behaviour.

Ron Paul and Barney Frank Introduce Bill To Legalize Marijuana
right, then

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Ron Paul and Barney Frank Introduce Bill To Legalize Marijuana
right, then

Making a plant, that grows in the ground... legal? GOD FORBID he'd try to do that...

I think it's much better to keep things like Oxycontin and Adderall legal, lab-created chemicals. (And no, I do not smoke marijuana... I just find it outrageous that so many harmful substances that are lab-created are legal when a fucking PLANT is not.)

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Ron Paul and Barney Frank Introduce Bill To Legalize Marijuana
right, then

Do you roleplay as a neocon on the web as some sort of school project or just for fun? Or worse...are you not roleplaying at all?

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Do you roleplay as a neocon on the web as some sort of school project or just for fun? Or worse...are you not roleplaying at all?

what's a neocon?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

what's a neocon?

Neoconservative. Think George W. Bush and Rick Santorum.