Thread: About Sopa

Originally Posted by tommo

I've been telling people this since I was 8. No one cares still.

Me too, maybe not since age 8, but for years leading up to 2008 I was telling friends and family that the shit was about to make contact with fan in the West, and they would dismiss me out of lack of respect. No one gives your words any weight if they think they're better than you. Likewise, people tend to take the word of the people they respect as gospel. Sometimes it's warranted, but for most people respect derives from arbitrary titles. That's why, for example, most Americans believe that Obama can save the country. But I digress...

Point is, most people aren't persuaded by reason. Their monkey brains tend to only believe the words of superior monkeys.

Originally Posted by cmind

Me too, maybe not since age 8, but for years leading up to 2008 I was telling friends and family that the shit was about to make contact with fan in the West, and they would dismiss me out of lack of respect. No one gives your words any weight if they think they're better than you. Likewise, people tend to take the word of the people they respect as gospel. Sometimes it's warranted, but for most people respect derives from arbitrary titles. That's why, for example, most Americans believe that Obama can save the country. But I digress...

Point is, most people aren't persuaded by reason. Their monkey brains tend to only believe the words of superior monkeys.

Too true mate, although I'd put quotation marks around "superior".

For example whenever I'd say something thing about a medical study or similar things, or say something about certain prescription drugs (including one's I've taken) etc. and my mum would be like "You're not a doctor, I'm sure they know better than you". But then even my dad (who is a doctor) admitted that patients even something know more about a drug or intervention in general than the doctors do, because they have the time to research everything about it, whereas doctors do not. The doctors are the ones trusting regulatory bodies etc. to allow safe and effective drugs.

Just an example I can remember.

I suppose most people really are just followers, inferior apes that cannot think for themselves in any meaningful way.

Told my roomate about this last night, he does not know anything about SOPA or any of the things happening. He then thinks i'm a conspiricy nutjob, and saying it's a "rumor" after telling me he's never heard of it, then when someone at work says it will not go through he believes me about SOPA and says "see? nothing is going to happen". The guy strives off ignorance...i'll admit i'm ignorant of alot of things, but not this thing (atleast what they are trying to do). Everyone at my work gives this 0% chance of happening, because the internet is "too big".

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Told my roomate about this last night, he does not know anything about SOPA or any of the things happening. He then thinks i'm a conspiricy nutjob, and saying it's a "rumor" after telling me he's never heard of it, then when someone at work says it will not go through he believes me about SOPA and says "see? nothing is going to happen". The guy strives off ignorance...i'll admit i'm ignorant of alot of things, but not this thing (atleast what they are trying to do). Everyone at my work gives this 0% chance of happening, because the internet is "too big".

And when it all blows over and PIPA and SOPA are stopped, exactly these people will be going "See, nothing to be afraid of". Same thing happened with swine flu.

Originally Posted by Marvo

And when it all blows over and PIPA and SOPA are stopped, exactly these people will be going "See, nothing to be afraid of". Same thing happened with swine flu.

True, but the fact this thing is still going to be talked about should have people more worried. Roomate told me not to "worry" too much, i'm like wtf....it's not like they said "hey guys i want this to happen" and they said "Fuck off" and that was the end.

Pretty sure Marvo was agreeing with you. In his special way.

'Hacktivist' collective Anonymous said it set its sights on the U.S. Department of Justice and apparently knocked the agency’s website offline today.

'We are having website problems, but we’re not sure what it’s from,' a Department of Justice spokeswoman told CNN.

The Department of Justice website glitches came soon after various Twitter accounts associated with Anonymous took aim at the agency.

Taking down their websites won't accomplish anything, apart from getting a bunch of kids arrested. The only real way to combat media organization, legally, is to not give them any money.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Taking down their websites won't accomplish anything, apart from getting a bunch of kids arrested. The only real way to combat media organization, legally, is to not give them any money.

I own an anti-government based website. I recently sent an email to another such website owner who has a small team of people working for him. Within a minute of sending that email I suddenly had 43 non-human visitors to my website. This is the level of spying that is going on and I say fuck 'em, lets have a little bit of class war.

Originally Posted by tommo

Pretty sure Marvo was agreeing with you. In his special way.

I know he was, i was just saying.

how many people actually visit the department of justice website?
I'm willing to bet none.

Ok, here we go, this is clearly a lot better....
http://www.slashgear.com/anonymous-t...usic-19210145/

Earlier today the sites Megaupload and Megavideo were shut down by ICE, a federal group responsible for working with and shutting down groups that pirate media illegally – in retaliation the hacker collective known as Anonymous have shut down the RIAA, the MPAA, Universal Music, and the United States Government site Justice.org, belonging to the Department of Justice. These hits have been confirmed by several anonymously run “official” Anonymous sources such as twitter accounts @Anonops, @AnonymousIRC, and @YourAnonNews, and were likely planned in advance. As a bit of an extra jab after the biggest sites in this situation were downed, Anonymous noted that they should simply say, “for #SOPA supporters their#SOPAblackout is today.”

Like shutting down those sites will really do anything. I bet they are all like "OMG WE ARE GOOD JAJAJAJA".

Good bye Dreamviews, it was fun having a Dream Journal.

Watch this is all just a lucid dream. And reality checks are just not working for a reason.

Just hours after Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) announced he was delaying a vote on the PROTECT IP Act, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), the sponsor of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed suit and announced he would be delaying consideration of the companion legislation.

“I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation to address the problem of online piracy," Smith said. "It is clear that we need to revisit the approach on how best to address the problem of foreign thieves that steal and sell American inventions and products."

"The Committee will continue work with both copyright owners and Internet companies to develop proposals that combat online piracy and protect America’s intellectual property," Smith continued. "We welcome input from all organizations and individuals who have an honest difference of opinion about how best to address this widespread problem." (He may want to check out our thoughts on the matter.)

Even former Senator Chris Dodd, the head of the Motion Picture Association of America, seemed to concede defeat. "With today’s announcement, we hope the dynamics of the conversation can change and become a sincere discussion about how best to protect the millions of American jobs affected by the theft of American intellectual property," he said in a statement. "It is incumbent that they now sincerely work with all of us to achieve a meaningful solution to this critically important goal."

The ideas present in both SOPA and PIPA may return, but both bills in their present form—and with their present names—are probably done for good.

A key figure in the fight against SOPA was Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). Issa had planned to use his perch as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee to highlight the flaws of SOPA's DNS blocking provisions. He was planning to hold a hearing featuring the testimony of actual technical experts, something that had been mysteriously missing from Smith's hearings on the bill. Wednesday's Internet protests were originally scheduled to coincide with the hearings. But Issa scrapped his hearing after receiving assurances that the DNS provisions would be dropped from SOPA. The broader protest went forward anyway.

"Supporters of the Internet deserve credit for pressing advocates of SOPA and PIPA to back away from an effort to ram through controversial legislation," Issa said in a Friday statement. "Over the last two months, the intense popular effort to stop SOPA and PIPA has defeated an effort that once looked unstoppable."

"I have heard from the critics and I take seriously their concerns regarding proposed legislation" funny that they first hear from the critics when they are in large numbers. The criticism has been the same from day one.

If only we could have this sort of mass action for things which don't affect everyone.
Well, I guess it's proof of what I was saying to O a while ago, if we really want peace or real action on anything, the only way to get it is for everyone to have a common goal.
Too bad people don't realise that every injustice affects everyone.

Originally Posted by Marvo

Taking down their websites won't accomplish anything, apart from getting a bunch of kids arrested. The only real way to combat media organization, legally, is to not give them any money.

+1 to that. Black March. Can we do it, reddit? - Imgur This is the general idea circulating around Reddit and those other sites (lol). Unfortunately, even if this idea is spread far and wide enough most of the general public will be too OMG GUISE LETZ G0 C DIS NEW MEWVIE and it won't make much of an impact. But then again, that is what was said of the blackout which originally was made up of very few major sites and ended with 115,000 sites either blacking out or mentioning sopa/pipa on their site.

A consumer strike initiative is absolutely something that will hit RIAA/MPAA where it hurts, and instead you can go spend your money on better investments, which will also help the economy a lot.

Even if it doesn't hold 100% for every person who joins, diminished sales for a whole month (preferably longer. If you can go a month without, why not a year?) will still create a gap in their profits. In the end, it's all about money, and if consumer relations is what will make them money, they will improve on that, which will be good for all of us in the long run. Who knows, the entertainment industry might actually advance beyond it's current dinosaur state.

Originally Posted by Marvo

A consumer strike initiative is absolutely something that will hit RIAA/MPAA where it hurts, and instead you can go spend your money on better investments, which will also help the economy a lot.

Even if it doesn't hold 100% for every person who joins, diminished sales for a whole month (preferably longer. If you can go a month without, why not a year?) will still create a gap in their profits. In the end, it's all about money, and if consumer relations is what will make them money, they will improve on that, which will be good for all of us in the long run. Who knows, the entertainment industry might actually advance beyond it's current dinosaur state.

What if we already don't buy music (unless it's directly from the artist)?

What if SOPA was passed? - A comic - Imgur

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

What if we already don't buy music (unless it's directly from the artist)?

Spread the image and convince other people not to buy music and movies.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

What if we already don't buy music (unless it's directly from the artist)?

Encourage other people (not just people on the internet) to join the cause. And try to not come off as an activist nut. Make sure to mention that they can use the money they save on good investments, like paying off debt or whatever.

I love paying off debt. I wish it were our nation's pass time, instead of "building debt."

I usually come off as an activist, although not "nut level," to people... but most people seem to ignore activism. They prefer conformity (it's sometimes lonely in the activist community around these parts.)

Originally Posted by tommo

What if SOPA was passed? - A comic - Imgur

Spread the image and convince other people not to buy music and movies.

Brilliant comic right there, thanks for that. I'll do my part in spreading, hopefully someone will read it.

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