Boy Scouts of America refuses to enter 21st Century

[Descensus]

Boy Scouts in U.S. sticks with ban on gays - thestar.com Boy Scouts in U.S. sticks with ban on gays. Discuss. Ridicule. Etc.

[Fechtel]

And I support them wholeheartedly. Never liked 'em, never will. Religion aside, it is completely unnatural.

[Descensus]

And I support them wholeheartedly. Never liked 'em, never will. Religion aside, it is completely unnatural. Unnatural in what sense?

[Fechtel]

Unnatural in what sense? Procreation is the ONLY reason for our existence. Heterosexuality is natural because it creates procreation. Homosexuality is unnatural because there is no procreation.

[Descensus]

Procreation is the ONLY reason for our existence. Heterosexuality is natural because it creates procreation. Homosexuality is unnatural because there is no procreation. See when I think of something as being natural, I think of something happening or existing outside of human interference. So it would seem that homosexuality is completely natural for a few reasons. The first being that a human has no control over whether they are homosexual or not, and thus such a thing is natural. The second is that there are recorded cases of nonhuman animals engaging in homosexual behavior of their own accord, i.e. humans didn't force them to do such acts. Procreation being the only reason for our existence sounds very primitive, unless you mean it is the only way in which we can exist at all.

[Fechtel]

See when I think of something as being natural, I think of something happening or existing outside of human interference. So it would seem that homosexuality is completely natural for a few reasons. The first being that a human has no control over whether they are homosexual or not, and thus such a thing is natural. The second is that there are recorded cases of nonhuman animals engaging in homosexual behavior of their own accord, i.e. humans didn't force them to do such acts. Procreation being the only reason for our existence sounds very primitive, unless you mean it is the only way in which we can exist at all. Maybe anti-natural would be a better term. It goes against nature, or against the human species, because if all of us were gay, there would be no human species. And this is without me bringing religion into this, because it would be a pointless debate.

[Replicon]

Procreation is the ONLY reason for our existence. Heterosexuality is natural because it creates procreation. Homosexuality is unnatural because there is no procreation. What about infertile people? People born with infertility. Should they also be banned? They sure aren't natural, by your definition.

[Maeni]

Spoiler for Nevermind that, didn't realize Fechtel was banned.: Procreation is the ONLY reason for our existence. Heterosexuality is natural because it creates procreation. Homosexuality is unnatural because there is no procreation. Haha, oh wow. You're saying that because procreation is a good thing, any potential procreation that is lost goes against the human race. It's not black and white like that. You're right that if everybody chose to not have children, that'd really suck for humanity. But that ridiculous thought-experiment has nothing to do with homosexuality at all, since there aren't that many homosexuals. It is perfectly fine for people not to procreate, we've already got plenty of people procreating. Come back when we run out of heterosexuals, that's when we have the problem you're talking about. And also there is no such thing as natural, and even if there is it does not gurantee that said natural thing is good. Tornadoes, tsunamis, diseases and so on are all natural. Some medicines are made by humans, and I guess by some weird logic that makes it "unnatural". I've just shown you that unnatural things can be good and natural things can be bad, so claiming that homosexuality is unnatural is basically a worthless statement. I would describe my reaction to the whole situation as anti-Fechtal, not to be confused with unFechtal. I personally feel quite non-Fechtal and inFechtal. EDIT: And also, I don't quite get the whole "boy scouts" thing, why is that even a thing? And why do they have a stance on homosexuality?

[StonedApe]

And I support them wholeheartedly. Never liked 'em, never will. Religion aside, it is completely unnatural. regardless of whether or not you agree with the policy, will you at least concede that it is bigotry against gay people. If yhe boy scouts denied black people it would obviously be racist. It is at the very least clearly a discriminatory policy.

[juroara]

And I support them wholeheartedly. Never liked 'em, never will. Religion aside, it is completely unnatural. Your post is nothing but hate ive zero respect for you

[Abra]

And I support them wholeheartedly. Never liked 'em, never will. Religion aside, it is completely unnatural. y'all getting troll'd good

[Supernova]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have Mayflow 2.0 Now, back to conversation. The Scouts’ chief executive, Bob Mazzuca, contended that most Scout families support the policy, which applies to both leaders and Scouts. Wow, you know, I never really realized the boy scouts sucked so hard.

[Fechtel]

I meant it is anti the human race. Surely you agree that if everyone turned gay it'd be pretty bad for the human race? And what's with the shouting and swearing? You need anger management.

[Supernova]

I meant it is anti the human race. Surely you agree that if everyone turned gay it'd be pretty bad for the human race? That's why most people aren't gay. Imagine that.

[Universal Mind]

I meant it is anti the human race. Surely you agree that if everyone turned gay it'd be pretty bad for the human race? And what's with the shouting and swearing? You need anger management. If everyone turned celibate, it would be pretty bad for the human race. Is celibacy unnatural or anti-human too? What about masturbation? Don't worry any way. Sexual desires are innate. They are not chosen. As for the main topic, I think the government has gone way too far with "security." When I go through airports now, I feel like a first grader who has been sent to the office. The difference is that first graders don't have to show their naked bodies to go back to class. I don't know how far the government will go before there is a voting revolution, but they are really pushing the envelope. If the public eventually allows the government to use Superman style vision to search everybody in public and in their homes, they will.

[Alric]

Some people being gay is actually a benefit to reproduction and increases the chances of human survival. Why bring up everyone being gay? Everyone being gay isn't natural but 10-15 percent of the population being gay is natural. If a person is gay they don't have children and instead use the energy needed to raise children to support their family and help other raise children. Some people being gay is both natural and pro human race.

[Fechtel]

Anti-human-race is the term I prefer.

[Descensus]

Anti-human-race is the term I prefer. Look, equivocating and trying to find new ground to stand on can be a fun mental exercise, but it doesn't change the fact that you have no real argument against homosexuality.

[Fechtel]

Look, equivocating and trying to find new ground to stand on can be a fun mental exercise, but it doesn't change the fact that you have no real argument against homosexuality. I could argue from religion, but to an atheist this would be pointless.

[Descensus]

I could argue from religion, but to an atheist this would be pointless. To anybody with a sensible mind about what homosexuality is it would be pointless. If religion is your trump card I think you should quit while you're behind.

[Supernova]

I could argue from religion, but to an atheist this would be pointless. Especially since your holy book gives no sound basis for anti-gay sentiment.

[Darkmatters]

Here's what's so weird about this - how do they know if someone is gay or not when inducting them into the Scouts? I guess with the Cub Scouts it's too soon to tell, so they have to wait and watch for signs. And then what? I can just hear the hushed whispers, the steely-eyed accusations. "I've been watching that one - he's a - you know - a TINKERBELL!! We've got to get him away from the good ones before they get infected. Oh, and while we're at it... about that new boy that joined two weeks ago. Yes well, I don't like it. No, not gay - but he's - black. Do we really allow that kind of thing around here? If so, then I'm taking my little Johhnie out... I thought the Boy Scouts were more selective than this!" Geeze! Well, I guess now we know the Scouts are a recruiting campaign for the Little Republicans of America.

[Descensus]

Presumably when they say gays they mean out-of-the-closet gays.

[Darkmatters]

Yeah, but if that's their policy, then what do they do when it becomes clear they let somebody in who then begins to demonstrate the signs?

[Descensus]

Yeah, but if that's their policy, then what do they do when it becomes clear they let somebody in who then begins to demonstrate the signs? They'll be thrown out: "In the unlikely event that an older boy were to hold himself out as homosexual, he would not be able to continue in a youth leadership position." Boy Scouts of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .. or she? There are Girl Scouts too. Or are female gays not as revolting? I don't see anything relating to lesbianism in the wiki page, but they might treat them the same as gays.