Thread: What if science/mathematics is necessarily the same thing as spirituality/religion?

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Wrong of me I mean that it was considered more or less paranormal until Stephen LaBerge made it a more hot topic. Other examples of paranormal topics: clairvoyance, telepathy, thoughts effects on the world. That's why I used the impossible term because people in general are not open for the possibility at all and they call it impossible. And my point wasn't if lucid dreaming was considered pseudo-science or not, but the fact that what's logic today isn't logic tomorrow. A little easier example then to really see my point.

It used to be logical to believe that the earth was flat. If you said anything else you were considered crazy and people thought you were stupid.

Today "some" people and scientists laugh at the thought of out of body experiences, it's just considered impossible for some although there are also people AND scientists who consider it possible and see the value in the possibility. I am trying to make you see that what's considered new age today, might be science tomorrow.

So paranormal things aren't just as you so adequately put it a "crock of sh*t" and you are not a "nutjob" if you believe in something just because it isn't proven yet.


This might help: Spirit Science 11_1 - Evolution - YouTube (Note: I am not the creator of this video ^-^ )

The fact that lucid dreaming has had its existence empirically established does not lend credence to any of the other ideas floating around this site, or in the same arena. And if you seriously look at what some of the people say and believe in the beyond dreaming forum, yes, they are nutjobs. If some of them actually believe what they claim to believe, then they frankly need serious help.

With out of body experiences, people have performed serious and anecdotal tests to see if there is any truth to the matter, such as writing messages on the surfaces of operating rooms which the patient could not see directly even if they were conscious. They have all failed.

Frankly, I've never seen something have such a compelling explanation yet continue to remain a mystery. The sheer number of people who manage to induce an 'out-of-body' experience while attempting to have a lucid dream suggests significant overlap between the phenomena. There's no doubt in my mind that such events are simply dreams where the participant is placed in a realistic setting with control, but fails to realise they are in a dream and mistakes it for reality.


Also, many 'paranormal' events have perfectly rational explanations.

And don't put words in my mouth and blatantly twist them for your own purposes either. I didn't say anyone is a nutjob for believing in something that hasn't been proven yet. Paranormal claims will continue to remain a crock of shit (you can drop the asterisk by the way, we're not children who think that saying f**k is somehow less offensive than fuck) until they have evidence behind them. Just like all claims where the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, yet who provides no evidence for it.


What a lot of the people here see themselves: Intelligent open-minded people

What they actually are: Gullible morons who possess no skeptical thought, have no critical thinking skills, and who give their direct experiences significant weight on a site dedicated to showing you just how good a job your brain can do at fooling you...