Thread: Are Republicans delusional or knowingly ruining the country?

Oh actually, I thought the question was about the "Government" instead of the "Republicans". And... to clarify where that leaves my answer, they're all the same. Modern politics isn't about the titles of Republican and Democrat. They just use those stances and names for social pull. Then proceed to act almost identical to each other, and maybe change a few things that don't directly have to do with their position.

Studying political science or actually being involved in civics or the political process should be a mandatory requirement before anyone espouses full on retard views in regards to such matters.

Originally Posted by Nerq

Oh actually, I thought the question was about the "Government" instead of the "Republicans". And... to clarify where that leaves my answer, they're all the same. Modern politics isn't about the titles of Republican and Democrat. They just use those stances and names for social pull. Then proceed to act almost identical to each other, and maybe change a few things that don't directly have to do with their position.

I don't think democrats are perfect, I see it as a wolves vs foxes scenario. But the republicans are still steadfastly protecting these ridiculous tax loopholes which leave the middle-upper class to carry the entire tax burden that subsidizes the wealthiest corporations. This is simply bad economic policy.

You're might right in that sense. But the reason why I still believe it's more accurate to title them as Wolves vs Wolves, is that modern politicians don't follow their title(s) idealistically. It's only a title now, instead of a statement that they want to incorporate into the economy. The standpoints have their pros and cons, but the holders of those stand points, I believe, just use them as a façade.

Plastic faces, plastic food, paper power, punch-line oriented political leaders. This is what we live with.

Wolves vs Foxes is more dangerous than wolves vs wolves when you think about it. For example, Obama's first term revealed a Reagan style president, but the liberals reelected him anyways because Mitt Romney was so terrifying.

It's sad that people are divided by political parties, and how much animosity it can cause between people. In general I don't think republicans or democrats are "stupid", as stupid is a strong word that seems to be thrown around carelessly. I think most democrats/republicans/liberals/conservatives/etc believe in what they THINK will truly help make the future brighter for the most amount of people possible. When you look at the big picture objectively and really try to keep your mind open to the logic behind a political parties actions, it can make sense generally speaking. But this division of people into specific political parties is pretty stupid, not the people, the concept of dividing people into such specific groups for such complex problems. I've noticed that people who claim the title of a political party strongest, tend to be better at discrediting another person, belonging to another party, rather than validating their own arguments. This isn't true all the time, it's just what political discussion seems to resort to in my opinion.

So in short OP, my answer to your final question is: no, I don't think republicans are delusional OR stupid, although I think the system that forces powerful political figures into such specific parties, is stupid. That being said, I got nothing but love for you, and I can understand how something, like politics, that can cause so much pain to so many people, can easily breed animosity. But animosity invalidates an argument so easily, you get so much further with understanding and compassion.

All that being said, there is a march on DC November 5th, I hope you can find a way to make it, all support is appreciated. I'll be one of the medics .

The 2 party system isn't inherently a bad thing, it's definitely better than any system in which the people don't get any voice at all or power to choose. But like any other political system it's susceptible to corruption and stupidity, and when any government gets too big it loses sight of the little people it's supposed to be protecting and serving and gets greedy, especially when politics becomes a wealth game and a career as it has in the US and was supposedly set up never to become for those very reasons.

Unfortunately politicians on both sides don't seem to be actually supporting their own so-called ideals anymore, more like just making empty promises that they then maliciously break as soon as they get into office and begin pushing the exact same agendas they opposed so vehemently in their campaign speeches, agendas aimed at increasing the power of government and eliminating those pesky little things that seek to limit that power, you know, like the bill of rights and the constitution.

Politics makes a whole lot more sense when you rise above the dichotomy and see that none of the parties actually do what they claim to be doing and it's all a twisted power game. Neither side is what they say they are - I used to consider myself a liberal, but now I see the liberals are actually far more insidious in a certain way than the conservatives, who at least are straightforward about their biases and don't try to cloak their hatred as fairness.

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I agree that politics has turned into a game where the people in positions of power claim one thing, and do another. I do think that, for the most part, they do what they think they need to in order to save face and get people on their side, and it's wrong. Now it does seem that a lot politicians do things selfishly, I'm just speaking about people claiming to belong to parties, not specific individuals in positions of power. And as for the two party system not being inherently bad, I suppose it would be difficult to set up a system where opinions could be voiced on every single, specific problem. There is no doubt that the system has been flawed for a long time. The whole thing is infuriating. Seeing groups of people battle each other over ideals that they both think are right, thinking the other group of people are inherently stupid or evil. Both political groups participate in corruption, such as voting on the same bill over and over, with added incentives until it passes. They need to. It's the only way to get things done anymore, to get roads built, to get funding for certain projects. The system itself is infuriating to me, not any particular political group. This march on DC is aimed at starting over at the constituion more or less. You guys should look into it if you're in the states.

Sad fact is we are so much in debt no matter what we do we're never going to be able to pay it off. If every dollar made in america this year went to paying off our debt we would still be in debt. That's why I don't worry to much about the economic system today, because no matter what we do we're still fucked. Hopefully I can move once I get older and not have to live here anymore, but until then I'm stuck here.

Also my biggest complaints with republicans is how fucking retarded they are on social issues.

I'm not very knowledgable in politics or economics, so I'm not really well-equipped to argue any points on the subject. All I know is that Republicans tend to astound me with the bullshit they spew. I consider myself a democratic socialist, so I tend to side with the Democrats, though I still don't wholly support them either.

To answer the original question: it's one or the other. Maybe both. That's all I really have to say on the matter.