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      Killing people is murder or manslaughter. The way you wrote that sentence, you could call a lot of things terrorism which aren't.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      Definition of terrorism: "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion".
      There is no universally-accepted definition of terrorism.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      Killing people is murder or manslaughter. The way you wrote that sentence, you could call a lot of things terrorism which aren't.
      Ok, I'm sorry for not writing it "correctly", now do we really need to argue about what word to call it? It doesn't matter if it's considered terrorism or not, he/she/they still hurt hundreds of people and need to be caught.

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      There is no universally-accepted definition of terrorism.
      I never said it was a universally accepted definition, that's just what it says on dictionary.com.

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      I'm not saying it isn't fucked up but how many people have been killed by our own government this year alone by predator drones? I find it disconcerting that you're so riled up about an attack that killed 3 people but you probably don't even bat an eyelash for the terrorist activity perpetrated by our government.

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      ^ That's why there's no definition of terrorism. Any sufficiently rigorous definition would have to include all governments.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      I find it disconcerting that you're so riled up about an attack that killed 3 people but you probably don't even bat an eyelash for the terrorist activity perpetrated by our government.
      That's not what I think at all. I never said I care more about 3 people dying than the thousands the U.S. government kills. But this thread is about the Boston bombings, not about all the people the government kills. There are other threads for that. I didn't think it was necessary to say anything about that here, we already know how fucked up the government is. You can't assume that much just from what I say in a couple posts.

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      It's a natural reaction, we're much closer to the people in Boston. Some of my friends were participating in that marathon. But I'm trying to strike at the heart of the conflict, if we want terrorists to stop, we can't continue to ignore the terrorism our tax dollars are paying for. It's simple blow-back.

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      I was about to speak up against what Woodstock was saying but i held my tongue knowing what he wants is an argument which i don't want to do.
      Terrorism is a made up name from media and gov to confuse us on the word "war" instead of war, they say terror-ist. There was no such thing as terrorist in roman times, all they did was make war and invade countries, and they exactly said specifically it's war, no lying about it because they thrived for it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      They did it purposely to kill people, that's terrorism
      I thought it only counts as terrorism if there's a political objective behind it? .-.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hathor28 View Post
      I was about to speak up against what Woodstock was saying but i held my tongue knowing what he wants is an argument which i don't want to do.
      Terrorism is a made up name from media and gov to confuse us on the word "war" instead of war, they say terror-ist. There was no such thing as terrorist in roman times, all they did was make war and invade countries, and they exactly said specifically it's war, no lying about it because they thrived for it.
      No, I don't want an argument, I didn't expect reactions like this and regret saying anything. And I don't mean terrorism like what politicians use as an excuse to start wars, I was just saying that deciding if it's terrorism based on what country or group they're from doesn't make sense, so if an attack by al-Qaeda is terrorism, then why isn't it terrorism when an American does the exact same thing?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      I was just saying that deciding if it's terrorism based on what country or group they're from doesn't make sense, so if an attack by al-Qaeda is terrorism, then why isn't it terrorism when an American does the exact same thing?
      Go ask your Government this question.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      I didn't see where anyone said it's an "inside job". Saying that an American probably did it doesn't mean the government did it. They did it purposely to kill people, that's terrorism, it doesn't matter who they are, where they live, or what group they belong to. Why does everyone think only certain groups from certain countries are terrorists?
      Yes sir, and that is not what I was implying.
      I simply said "inside job" to refer to a domestic threat; inside the borders, if you will.
      I can, however, see where that miscommunication can easily occur, based off of what I said.
      My point about "Terrorism" was also misinterpreted. Before 9/11 I had never even heard the word "Terrorism". My remark was a note on the appearance of this word in our society, as if the ... media? ... decided that it was a good word to use. I completely agree that it, by its very nature, really is a catch-all word, and is not associated with the location of an event or the heritage of the person carrying out the event.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Woodstock View Post
      No, I don't want an argument, I didn't expect reactions like this and regret saying anything. And I don't mean terrorism like what politicians use as an excuse to start wars, I was just saying that deciding if it's terrorism based on what country or group they're from doesn't make sense, so if an attack by al-Qaeda is terrorism, then why isn't it terrorism when an American does the exact same thing?
      I apologize, sometimes I don't realize I'm instigating shit when all I'm doing is trying to correct people or clarify a subject. And I'm taking out on you a problem I'm having with the general animosity of a lot of people reacting to this event. I believe the perpetrators of this tragedy, ie terrorists, need compassion. They were led toward this action by tremendous pain, which they unfortunately could not see through. They are already experiencing tremendous suffering, otherwise they would not feel the need to cause such suffering. So I have no desire to hurt them, even though they came very close to hurting my friends and this is honestly the closest I have ever been to a tragedy of this nature, emotionally. I just feel sorry for them, and I wish we could lay down this animosity between each other once and for all.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      I'm not saying it isn't fucked up but how many people have been killed by our own government this year alone by predator drones? I find it disconcerting that you're so riled up about an attack that killed 3 people but you probably don't even bat an eyelash for the terrorist activity perpetrated by our government.
      I feel that the main reason for this is the fact that the media sensationalize deaths that happen which are on our side of the fence. It's not often you hear as big a fuss made about hundreds of people that were killed in places like Afghanistan and when there is, people seem to view the deaths that happen as more of a statistic than anything else because of the fact that they do not think of the devastating effects it has on the families left behind and all the suffering caused. They brush it under the carpet because it is for "the greater good" and that's all it has ever been about.

      As you said in your later post, we are closer to those who have suffered from the Boston terrorist attack and so we are able to relate to the suffering caused by the deaths of loved ones and so make a much bigger deal about it. Not to mention the fact that the enemy is clearly identifiable in this situation (the "terrorists") whereas it is harder to view our own governments as the evil or "terrorists". People need to realise that these tragedies occur all over the world all the time in different forms and cause pain and suffering to those affected. Nobody has the right to say that the effect of one death/tragedy has a larger impact than another because the fact is that suffering is still caused by all tragedies.
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      Probably unrelated [to the bombings], but an MIT officer was shot and killed about an hour ago. Whoever did it is toast considering there's cops and FBI agents all over the city.
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      Shit hit the fan. One bombing suspect is dead, the other is currently on the loose. MIT shooting was related.
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      The one on the left is confirmed to be dead, the one on the right is being hunted.
      BBC News - US police chase Boston Marathon bomb suspect
      May the swift hammer of justice fall upon them.

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      Have any reasons been given for the bombing?

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      Quote Originally Posted by GavinGill View Post
      Have any reasons been given for the bombing?
      This is the only thing I've found on the motives:
      The Brothers Tsarnaev: Clues to the Motives of the Alleged Boston Bombers

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      Despite the obviously tragic nature of this, there is a funny mental image that can come with one interpretation of that headline.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GavinGill View Post
      Have any reasons been given for the bombing?
      One of them is dead, the other is currently believed to be trapped in a boat in somebody's yard. So no, no reasons yet.
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      And now they report they have the suspect in custody.

      Amazing he's still alive.

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      Gunshot would to the neck and leg. Taken to Mt. Auburn Hospital. Glad this is over.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Araishu View Post
      I feel that the main reason for this is the fact that the media sensationalize deaths that happen which are on our side of the fence. It's not often you hear as big a fuss made about hundreds of people that were killed in places like Afghanistan and when there is, people seem to view the deaths that happen as more of a statistic than anything else because of the fact that they do not think of the devastating effects it has on the families left behind and all the suffering caused. They brush it under the carpet because it is for "the greater good" and that's all it has ever been about.

      As you said in your later post, we are closer to those who have suffered from the Boston terrorist attack and so we are able to relate to the suffering caused by the deaths of loved ones and so make a much bigger deal about it. Not to mention the fact that the enemy is clearly identifiable in this situation (the "terrorists") whereas it is harder to view our own governments as the evil or "terrorists". People need to realise that these tragedies occur all over the world all the time in different forms and cause pain and suffering to those affected. Nobody has the right to say that the effect of one death/tragedy has a larger impact than another because the fact is that suffering is still caused by all tragedies.
      this..
      i really feel bad that people in US never pay attention to the rest of the world, that continuously gets bombed, especially middle east. and a lot of that happens because US is playing war games. and then we get surprised, when someone eats enough, and bombs something in act of protest.

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