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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Your blind, your biases are clearly blinding you, that or you are just a lair. There is no way the girl in the obama picture looks like the girl on the right more than the girl on the left in the picture I posted.
      You should try a counterargument instead of just repeating yourself. Do you or do you not notice the difference in height and hair between Madeline and the Obama photo girl? Do you or do you not notice the same height and hair between Emilie and the girl in the Obama photo? Watch the morph that happens in this at 1:50.



      Explain this one. It is the home movie compilation on the Emilie Parker Fund website. Where's Emilie's body double in it?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbx-mv0P5Ww

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Singing is not acting, no matter how much you say they are identical. The vast majority of singers who tried to get into acting suck. As for picking one, there is so many I just decided to google the 10 worst. They list people like, Justin Timberlake, LL Cool J, Ludacris. What about Britney Spears or Vanilla Ice? I notice how you listed Justin Timberlake on your list as well though, apparently you think he is a great actor, which kind of proves how clueless you are. He was a horrible actor, and most of his early movies were total bombs. It is only after years and years of acting has he become competent.
      Justin Timberlake is an excellent actor, and so is LL Cool J. Sitcom acting is very difficult, and LL Cool J pulled it off well as a regular actor on one. Most people don't have what it takes to ever become "competent" actors. It's not anywhere near as easy as it looks.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2HZCNOAbc

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg1a0765puE

      However, I don't put either of them on pedestals as musicians. They're talented but not mind-blowing. What is important here is that there is a major correlation between acting ability and musical stage performance ability. Right?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      It is obvious you are just talking out of your ass and you don't really have a clue about anything. How can anyone take you seriously when you say things like the almost all singers are also good actors? They are totally separate skills, and the vast majority of musicians who try to switch to acting never make it, and most who do are not very good and rely entirely on their star status and existing fans to make up for their lack of acting ability.
      Is it just a coincidence that so many famous singers have gotten major roles in movies? Why don't they do that with famous painters or novelists? Why are there so many people who can perform well in musicals? Singing/music and acting are obviously connected skills. Stop lying. Once in a while, a famous athlete will try acting and rely on fan support to get in, and most of them really do suck. The musicians don't.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also if you watch the video you will see the people I circled all move in the directions I showed. Why are you ignoring the fact that a ton of people are not walking in the circle? You claimed everyone was walking in a circle which was a bold face face. At least half the people there are walking entirely counter to the circle. That is half you can prove are not walking in a circle. The other half you could prove are not working in a circle if they showed the entire video but they cut it short so you can't tell where they are going.
      I didn't say everyone was walking in the circle. Stop lying. I said there was a circle and the people in it were moving in it. Watch more carefully, or at least be more honest.


      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      As I pointed out several times, the video is on loop to manipulate the image so it looks like they are walking in a circle when they are not. You can't tell where people are going from two seconds looped over and over.
      During the loop, they walk in the circle direction.

      What about the many other holes?
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      THIS is acting:

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      Don't be stupid. You can't tell the height of people in two different photos without a similar reference point. The are not the same size in the photo because the photo isn't taken from the same distance. The point is to look at their face, which proves my point. You are saying the two girls that look the most different are the same. You are also just making shit up. Madeline has shoulder length hair in both pictures, while Emile hair is significantly longer. Also Madeline has the same style of hair in both pictures while Emile is different. Are you really blind, or are you just being difficult on purpose?

      There is no correlation between being a musician and an actor. Acting is a skill just like anything else and most people can in fact learn to act, if they take the time and effort. You are living in bizarro world and don't seem to understand basic concepts of how skills works. Let me explain. When you repeat something over and over, you slowly improve over time. We call this act of repeating things practice. With practice, one can gain new skills. Acting is a skill, and singing is a skill, and dancing is a skill. If you practice singing, then in no way what so ever does it increase your skill at acting. It might improve your voice but it doesn't help you display anger, or sadness or anything else.

      Also I notice how you just flat out ignored what I said. That Justine sucked at his early attempts at acting but improved over the years. You know, by practicing. He wasn't good at acting because he sang, he got better at acting from years of practice. So why do you pick one of his newer movies, instead of the shitty older ones? Because you know I am right, and you just can't admit it. Like I said, most singers who make the switch to acting suck at it. Some of them who stick it out eventually get better however. And like I already said, the only reason singers even have a chance to act isn't because of their skill but because they have a fan base that will go see the movie for the sole reason of seeing their favorite singer in it.

      Also you are really starting to piss me off with that circle bullshit. That circle is entirely in your head. It does not exist. You are seeing thing. You totally delusional. There are some people walking to the left and some people walking up that ally way. That is not a circle. That is some people walking to their cars. There is not a single person in that entire video that you see walking out the door, walk around the building then walk back into the building at the top, like the video claims. Not a single damn one. You are a liar if you say otherwise. You are just manipulating the video to try and show what you want to see.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Don't be stupid. You can't tell the height of people in two different photos without a similar reference point. The are not the same size in the photo because the photo isn't taken from the same distance. The point is to look at their face, which proves my point. You are saying the two girls that look the most different are the same. You are also just making shit up. Madeline has shoulder length hair in both pictures, while Emile hair is significantly longer. Also Madeline has the same style of hair in both pictures while Emile is different. Are you really blind, or are you just being difficult on purpose?
      Can you not tell how tall a person is compared to how wide she is or the size of her head? Does Madeline alternate between bodies? Madeline does not have the same hair in both pictures. The Obama photo girl has longer hair that is of a different style. It looks like... Emilie's.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      There is no correlation between being a musician and an actor. Acting is a skill just like anything else and most people can in fact learn to act, if they take the time and effort. You are living in bizarro world and don't seem to understand basic concepts of how skills works. Let me explain. When you repeat something over and over, you slowly improve over time. We call this act of repeating things practice. With practice, one can gain new skills. Acting is a skill, and singing is a skill, and dancing is a skill. If you practice singing, then in no way what so ever does it increase your skill at acting. It might improve your voice but it doesn't help you display anger, or sadness or anything else.
      No, not just anybody can learn to act. It takes natural talent, but it can be improved. Have you ever tried it? You can in fact improve singing ability through lessons and practice, but it too requires natural ability. So explain why so many great stage musicians have made great actors and why so few professional athletes have been able to pull it off. Is every professional musical actor just a really coincidental person? Is it bizarre that they can do both? No, the two talents are very heavily correlated. Educate yourself.

      http://everythingmusicals.com/everyt...-all-time.html

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also I notice how you just flat out ignored what I said. That Justine sucked at his early attempts at acting but improved over the years. You know, by practicing. He wasn't good at acting because he sang, he got better at acting from years of practice. So why do you pick one of his newer movies, instead of the shitty older ones? Because you know I am right, and you just can't admit it. Like I said, most singers who make the switch to acting suck at it. Some of them who stick it out eventually get better however. And like I already said, the only reason singers even have a chance to act isn't because of their skill but because they have a fan base that will go see the movie for the sole reason of seeing their favorite singer in it.
      Uh, I notice how you didn't read my response to exactly that. Justin Timberlake is a good actor and always was one. I picked the movie that was listed near the top on YouTube. Now address my point about painters and novelists. They have fan bases. Why aren't they all over the big screen like musicians are?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also you are really starting to piss me off with that circle bullshit. That circle is entirely in your head. It does not exist. You are seeing thing. You totally delusional. There are some people walking to the left and some people walking up that ally way. That is not a circle. That is some people walking to their cars. There is not a single person in that entire video that you see walking out the door, walk around the building then walk back into the building at the top, like the video claims. Not a single damn one. You are a liar if you say otherwise. You are just manipulating the video to try and show what you want to see.
      So all of these people posted a video about a circle and there is no circle in the video? Anybody reading this can watch the video and see the circle. Your nose is growing. If you are getting pissed off, go to the store and get yourself some Midol.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Can you not tell how tall a person is compared to how wide she is or the size of her head? Does Madeline alternate between bodies? Madeline does not have the same hair in both pictures. The Obama photo girl has longer hair that is of a different style. It looks like... Emilie's.
      That is a flat out lie and you know it. The girl in the obama picture has hair like a inch past her shoulders. Madeline in the other picture had hair a inch past her shoulders. Emilie in that picture has hair 4-6 inches past her shoulders. Saying that the girls hair in the obama photo is the same length as the Emilie's in that photo I posted is a flat out bold face lie.

      I don't know why I am even debating with you, when you are just going to lie to everyone's face. You think people can't look at the photo and easily tell that you are lying? You can at least attempt to be an honest person. It is one thing to say you think they look similar, but it is entirely another to outright lie and say their hair is the same length when it obviously isn't.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      No, not just anybody can learn to act. It takes natural talent, but it can be improved. Have you ever tried it? You can in fact improve singing ability through lessons and practice, but it too requires natural ability. So explain why so many great stage musicians have made great actors and why so few professional athletes have been able to pull it off. Is every professional musical actor just a really coincidental person? Is it bizarre that they can do both? No, the two talents are very heavily correlated. Educate yourself.
      You need to educate yourself, you don't seem to understand anything. Acting and singing are skills, you don't need natural talent if you practice enough. Also there is a lot of athletes who became actors. Bob Uecker, Mark Harmon, OJ Simpson, Dwayne Johnson, Arnold Schwarzenegger just to name a few. In fact most of them are arguably far better actors than the singers you listed. Hell Arnold is a superstar known all across the world. So your claim that athletes don't become actors is bullshit.

      Educate yourself.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      That is a flat out lie and you know it. The girl in the obama picture has hair like a inch past her shoulders. Madeline in the other picture had hair a inch past her shoulders. Emilie in that picture has hair 4-6 inches past her shoulders. Saying that the girls hair in the obama photo is the same length as the Emilie's in that photo I posted is a flat out bold face lie.
      Look at Madeline's hair's short bangs, light color, and lack of curves. Then look at Emilie's hair. Emilie could have gotten a haircut. Is that the best picture you can find? Madeline is much younger there than the girl in the Obama photo. Strangely, Emilie is not much younger than she was when she was supposedly shot. Hmmm...

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      I don't know why I am even debating with you, when you are just going to lie to everyone's face. You think people can't look at the photo and easily tell that you are lying? You can at least attempt to be an honest person. It is one thing to say you think they look similar, but it is entirely another to outright lie and say their hair is the same length when it obviously isn't.
      I hope they do look at it and see that you are taking a picture of a much younger and much shorter child with lighter hair that doesn't curve and has much shorter bangs. Did you watch the video I posted from the Emilie Parker Fund website? Where is this body double of Emilie's in that video? I know you haven't shown a picture of her yet.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You need to educate yourself, you don't seem to understand anything. Acting and singing are skills, you don't need natural talent if you practice enough. Also there is a lot of athletes who became actors. Bob Uecker, Mark Harmon, OJ Simpson, Dwayne Johnson, Arnold Schwarzenegger just to name a few. In fact most of them are arguably far better actors than the singers you listed. Hell Arnold is a superstar known all across the world. So your claim that athletes don't become actors is bullshit.

      Educate yourself.
      Arnold was a professional body builder, which is a showman job. He was Mr. Universe, the best in the world. That takes acting skill. That is why Lou Ferrigno can do it well too. He too was Mr. Universe. There have been some good athletes who could act, but the list of musicians is many times longer. Did you see the list of musicals I linked? Are those movies all packed with coincidental people who very strangely just happen to be able to sing, dance, and act? You are flat out incorrect with your point that just anybody can learn how to be good at those things. They all take natural ability.

      You are harping on a very select few of the holes I listed. I want to remind you that the list goes way beyond this stuff.
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      Bruce Jenner, Alex Karras, Terry Bradshaw, Rick Fox, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jason Statham, Lou Ferrigno, Brian Bosworth, Stacy Keibler, Bubba Smith, Burt Reynolds, Jim Brown, Chuck Connors, Fred Williamson, André René Roussimoff, Fred Dryer, Ed Marinaro, Jason Lee, Merlin Olsen, Carl Weathers are all athletes that became actors. There is aboslutely no shortage of athletes who became actors. For every singer you name, I can also find an athlete. Admit you are totally wrong on this issue.

      Also don't be stupid. Bodybuilding isn't a showmanship job. That is probably one of the stupidest things you have said yet. That having huge muscles and being a body builder requires acting ability. No it doesn't. You are living in a fantasy world if you think bodybuilding is stage acting.

      Also, I am focusing on those specific things because there is no point in arguing every single issue. You just ignore all my points every time I point out the flaws. If you will not even admit you are wrong in the blatantly obvious cases in which you are wrong, what is the point of even trying to argue the others? You are so defensive that you said bodybuilding requires great acting ability, in order to defend your theory. The entire conspiracy is a house of cards and you are so scared of it collapsing that you cling to any possible thing that you can. Otherwise there is no way you would attempt be arguing that body building is the same as acting.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Bruce Jenner, Alex Karras, Terry Bradshaw, Rick Fox, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Jason Statham, Lou Ferrigno, Brian Bosworth, Stacy Keibler, Bubba Smith, Burt Reynolds, Jim Brown, Chuck Connors, Fred Williamson, André René Roussimoff, Fred Dryer, Ed Marinaro, Jason Lee, Merlin Olsen, Carl Weathers are all athletes that became actors. There is aboslutely no shortage of athletes who became actors. For every singer you name, I can also find an athlete. Admit you are totally wrong on this issue.
      I said professional, not just anybody who ever played a sport. The majority of men were athletes at some point. Here is a list of 285 professional musicians who professionally act. Did you catch my list of the 100 best musicals of all time?

      AmIAnnoying.com - Musicians Who Act

      Also, many of those people you named who really were great athletes are far below the acting level of the musicians I have named. Has Bubba Smith ever blown you away with his acting ability? What about Bruce Jenner or Brian Bosworth? Kareem Abdul Jabbar was funny in Airplane because he was playing himself in a scene about his true identity. I know you didn't name Bo Jackson, but he is probably the worst actor I have ever seen attempt a film role. He was in The Chamber, and his role was a major face palm.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also don't be stupid. Bodybuilding isn't a showmanship job. That is probably one of the stupidest things you have said yet. That having huge muscles and being a body builder requires acting ability. No it doesn't. You are living in a fantasy world if you think bodybuilding is stage acting.
      Ha ha, do you really think bodybuilders just walk out on stage with big muscles and that's it? They put on a show. Have you ever watched one of the shows?



      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Also, I am focusing on those specific things because there is no point in arguing every single issue. You just ignore all my points every time I point out the flaws. If you will not even admit you are wrong in the blatantly obvious cases in which you are wrong, what is the point of even trying to argue the others? You are so defensive that you said bodybuilding requires great acting ability, in order to defend your theory. The entire conspiracy is a house of cards and you are so scared of it collapsing that you cling to any possible thing that you can. Otherwise there is no way you would attempt be arguing that body building is the same as acting.
      Uh, no. I've been countering your points. That is why you keep attacking me personally.
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      No, you have not countered any of my points, you just make shit up and lie, and then pretend you have countered my points. Kind of like how you said bodybuilders are actors then posted a video of a bodybuilding performance in which he used zero acting skills. You pretty much proved my point for me, that it requires no acting talent at all. Also if you are going list third rate singers who became actors, then I can do the same. That is only fair right? Besides the top people on my list were better than the top people on your list.

      Of course I know you are just doing this on purpose to distract from my original point. Which was if you wanted to hire actors, you hire actors, not musicians. Also you claim they were musicians so they make naturally good actors, then how come you said their acting skills were all horrible? See, there is no consistency in your positions. You said all performers make great actors, so people would naturally hire singers to do acting jobs, but then you also said they sucked at acting which implies that just because they were in band doesn't mean they can act.

      You are arguing both sides at the same time, taking which ever position favors your argument. When it favors you to say they are bad actors, you say they are bad actors, when it favors you to say that singers make good actors you say they make good actors. You can't have it both ways. One argument totally contradicts the other.

      This all just shows your massive cognitive disconnect from reality. If all the parents were performs who were hired as actors and they all sucked, then that would seem to prove that performers don't naturally make good actors. That is the claim you made, yet now you are arguing that all performers are great actors. So which one is it?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      No, you have not countered any of my points, you just make shit up and lie, and then pretend you have countered my points. Kind of like how you said bodybuilders are actors then posted a video of a bodybuilding performance in which he used zero acting skills. You pretty much proved my point for me, that it requires no acting talent at all. Also if you are going list third rate singers who became actors, then I can do the same. That is only fair right? Besides the top people on my list were better than the top people on your list.
      I think I see part of the problem. You don't know jack shit about acting. Of course that bodybuilder used acting ability in his performance. Putting on a musical performance on a stage takes acting ability. What third rate actors did I list?

      How many athletes have won Oscars for acting? Do you want to take turns naming names on who has won an acting Oscar?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      Of course I know you are just doing this on purpose to distract from my original point. Which was if you wanted to hire actors, you hire actors, not musicians. Also you claim they were musicians so they make naturally good actors, then how come you said their acting skills were all horrible? See, there is no consistency in your positions. You said all performers make great actors, so people would naturally hire singers to do acting jobs, but then you also said they sucked at acting which implies that just because they were in band doesn't mean they can act.
      Stage musicians are actors. The Sandy Hoax actors suck at acting, but they are better than average. Average acting sucks. It was really stupid to hire those people.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      You are arguing both sides at the same time, taking which ever position favors your argument. When it favors you to say they are bad actors, you say they are bad actors, when it favors you to say that singers make good actors you say they make good actors. You can't have it both ways. One argument totally contradicts the other.
      I just explained that. I hope you comprehended it. Did you?

      Quote Originally Posted by Alric View Post
      This all just shows your massive cognitive disconnect from reality. If all the parents were performs who were hired as actors and they all sucked, then that would seem to prove that performers don't naturally make good actors. That is the claim you made, yet now you are arguing that all performers are great actors. So which one is it?
      My God, another paragraph where you repeat that shit? The shitty actors who are above average who also play music are above average musicians who aren't too great. Do you need me to tutor you on this?

      For a large scale hoax like Sandy Hoax, the actors sucked. For a small town play, they would be good by those standards. Got it?



      He's a member of the actor's guild.
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      Stage performers are not always actors. I am not sure what is so hard to comprehend about that. To act is to play a role of a character. If you are not playing the part of a character you are not acting. That is the definition of the word acting, you can't argue against that. You can sing while playing the part of a character but just singing on a stage isn't acting. Playing a musical instrument isn't acting. If you juggle on stage, that is stage performing but it isn't acting, unless you are playing the part of a character who juggles.

      You claim you know a lot about acting but apparently you don't even know the definition of the word acting. No one with an ounce of common sense or any knowledge about stage performance or singing or acting, would ever say singing a song is the same as playing out a role of a character. They are different things. You seem totally incapable of recognize basic things, such as the differences between singing and acting out the actions of a fictional character.

      That body building was putting on a performance but he wasn't acting. Next thing you know you will be saying if a football player does an end zone dance, that is acting too. You have lost all credibility when it comes to determining who is acting and who isn't.

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      Acting is using your voice and bodily expressions to put on a show. Did you know that Gene Simmons has acted in movies? His first was Runaway in 1984. Do you think that was the first time he ever acted? Tell me Gene Simmons is just standing on stage and playing the bass guitar while singing and might as well be doing it while watching T.V. by himself. He's acting. It's what stage performers do. The good ones don't just stand there expressionless and move their fingers. Have you ever performed on a stage?



      A musical performance in which the musicians are presented visually is not just a musical presentation. It is also a theatrical presentation.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GtyMeEcPPE

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2I0a7EwWa8

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Fia94-xGA

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooouijhjcYg

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHMHrWJ2SE

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussUGBQwxKI

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHugEELD8o8

      Do you really want to continue to say that there is no acting involved in that?
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      There isn't. Acting is a specific type of performance, not all performances are acting. Dancing is not acting. Singing isn't acting. A stage performance is a performance done on stage, and doesn't require any sort of acting what so ever. If you are not acting out a character then it isn't acting, it is just performing, and performing isn't acting.

      There is a fundamental difference between those skills. You seem to think the ability to work a crowd is acting, but it isn't. I am not so sure what is difficult to understand about this. Knowing how to dance or sing is totally different from knowing how to display emotions or personality of other people you are trying to portray. None of those people are acting, they are performing, which is a separate thing.

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      They are acting out characters. The characters just don't necessarily have separate names. They are putting on a show with their body language as they perform their music. Even if you refuse to call it acting, you should at least admit that the same skills are involved. It's not just about working a crowd. It is about entertaining a crowd with body language. That takes skill, and people who have that skill can play people other than themselves very well. Several of the people in those videos have played major roles in major films. Lots of famous musicians have won Oscars for their acting. How many professional athletes, painters, novelists, scientists, architects, or computer programmers have accomplished that?

      Correction: Gene Simmons was in Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park in 1978. His first non-Kiss movie was Runaway.
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      They are not even remotely the same skills. They are totally different. How does dancing or singing make give you the ability to cry and look sad? It doesn't. And why the fascination with oscars, there are a ton of awards given out to actors, and I really have no interest in looking up past winner of awards, especially when you make stuff up, like saying body builders are not athletes but stage performers to try and discredit people.

      According to you, you probably think strippers are actors, they are just playing out things like a sexy nurse who likes to remove her clothing. Your claims are just absurd and make no sense what so ever. No one would ever hire a singer for an acting job because they thought singing was identical to acting. I wonder if you even read the bull that you type.

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      Your personal insults are showing how stumped you are. I have thoroughly proven the correlation between musical ability and theatrical ability, and I have thoroughly shown that acting skills are required for good musical stage performance. You know it's true, and you are acting like a baby about it. Body builders are both athletes and actors. I never said they are not athletes. Stop making stuff up. Strippers are actors, and some are damn talented at it.

      Now let's get back to Sandy Hoax. Even if you want to relentlessly claim that musical stage performance requires no acting skills at all, the fact is that several of the Sandy Hoax alleged family members are in fact what even you would call actors. Did you watch Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition at 21:30? It shows Francine Wheeler acting on a television show (and in the next clip singing and using gestures), and it shows Laura Phelps delivering a monologue on stage. It says David Wheeler was in film and television acting for 20 years. It does not mention that Gene Rosen is a member of the actor's guild. Actors.



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HDA3W1Ju5E

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58raOKbBls

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      Your in denial. You have not shown anything at all. Also even if one person is an actor, that is totally irrelevant. People have day jobs. Your claim is that nearly all the parents are professional paid actors, and you have not given anything even remotely resembling evidence to support that claim. The only 'evidence' you have given is that you claim a bunch were in bands or at some point did stage performances, and used that flimsy connection to claim that all stage performers are actors by default, and commonly work as actors, which is a bold face lie.

      Your theories are filled with holes, and disconnected logic and your lies are transparent.

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      I just added an extra link to my previous post. Make sure you see all of the links. You are in extreme denial.
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      Yeah I am in denial, that is why nearly the entire population of the US looks at the parents crying and think they are real parents crying, and you and a tiny group think not only are they obviously paid actors but there is a ton of evidence to support it. Yet no matter all the 'overwhelming' evidence you have no one believes you. No one in the city where it happened believed you, not a single major news network believes you. Apparently all these people are all actors yet none of the people have ever seen them acting before right? Wouldn't they be recognized? How come they all live in the area? Why do their children have social security numbers if they don't exist? Why is the school being rebuilt if it never existed in the first place, and there was never any real children? What school did those fake actor children go to? How come no one noticed? Don't those children have friends? What about the funerals? Who did they bury? I guess they just had extra bodies laying around in storage right? What about those hundreds of people at the fire house? You claim they are all actors? Hundreds of people are all actors? And if they had hundreds of actors at the firehouse, why did they use a green screen? They were at the fire house and had the actors there? How does that make any sense?

      There is so many flaws and holes with your theories that they are just absurd, and no matter how often you claim you are not suggesting any theories, you are. When you say everyone is an actor, and faking the death of their children, that is a theory.

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      I showed you videos of them acting. Now show me videos of them crying tears. Are you going to finally do that? No, you're not. That's because you can't.

      There is no telling where the kids are, if they are still alive. Maybe other countries. Maybe those pictures are old and they won't be recognized now. There are all kinds of possibilities. The funerals were closed casket. If you want to know who was buried, ask this shady creep:



      Green screens are often used for convenience and perfecting individual parts of what is shown on a screen at once. The firehouse people could have thought they were just having a drill and been paid off or threatened later, or maybe they were in on it. Have you ever heard of the NSA's PRISM program? Lots of closed mouths involved in that. Why the school is being rebuilt is my question. I am not sure if Adam Lanza ever existed, but I know that web pages and the people who run them do.
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      So now they shipped the children off to other countries to hide their involvement in this? Really? That is what you are coming up with now?

      Your ideas are so inconsistent, first everyone at the school is an actor, and the shooting was faked, and all the police/fireman/media groups were all in on it, and now they are tearing the building down to hide the evidence right? Wait, what evidence? If the shooting never occurred why would the tear the building down to hide evidence that doesn't' exist? In fact, if they controlled all the media groups, why would they even care, there is no one to even question them? Your theories are all over the place, and none of them make sense when you consider them together.

      Also there is a ton of video of people crying, you even posted videos of people crying yourself. You just choice not to believe they are crying because it doesn't fit your theory.

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      Do you understand the difference between possibilities and known facts? You've been having trouble with it this whole time. I never said anything about all of those groups being in on it aside from the possibility that they could be. I think most of them were probably deceived. If there was no shooting, the building might be torn down to hide the fact that the shooting did not happen. There is obviously media to question them, just not mainstream media. I will remind you of this again: I DON'T HAVE A THEORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. I JUST KNOW THAT THE OFFICIAL STORY IS BULLSHIT AND THEREFORE A DECEPTION. Do you FINALLY understand that???????????????????????????????????????????

      Show me a video of one of the alleged Sandy Hook family members crying. Come on, don't be shy. Let's see it. I sure as fuck haven't posted any. Let's see you do it. What's holding you back?
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      The videos you posted saying that you can't see the tears, has people crying. As I already explained you can't see tears well on video because tears are transparent in color. However, you can see their eyes are red and puffy, and they clearly look as if they were crying. I already went over that in detail with you before. Visible tears isn't any where near the most noticeable sign of people crying, so I don't know why you ignore all the other obvious signs of them cry.

      None of your explanations make any sense. If your explanations makes less sense than the official story, why would anyone believe them? You are just throwing out random ideas, hoping that some of them will stick. However, most of them are so absurd that no reasonable person would ever believe them. Like hiring children actors to fake the shooting then shipping them to another country to hide them. Who's parents would go along with such a thing?

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      I pointed out possibilities. I didn't say they might all be true at the same time. Money goes a very long way.

      Now prove to me that the official story is true with something better than, "Duh, it's what the news said."

      This is what crying looks like:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVHWwmkc6_E

      Go to 4:20 in this and see what a mother looks like when she is crying over the fact that her kid almost went to school at Sandy Hook but didn't.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXuSt7H7Ges

      These people claim their kids and other relatives actually did go to Sandy Hook and were actually killed in a massacre. This is NOT what crying looks like:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QVKu4_JxcE
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      There was dozens of witnesses that saw it, there was bodies, there was bullet holes in the building, the weapons were found, the person who did it was found, his body was identified, the medical examiner confirmed the deaths were due to the guns, the media was all over it and filmed what the police were doing and reported it, official records were put out detailing everything. There is overwhelming evidence to support it. Even you posted that the person had a social security number, yet for some reason you don't believe that he existed. The entire thing is all very well documented.

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