According to conspiracy devotees. AIDS |
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Just wanted to get peoples' opinions on this. Original Poster had started Another thread on overpopulation, but I think this thread looks at it a little differently. |
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According to conspiracy devotees. AIDS |
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There are a lot of depopulation conspiracies out there. I can't say I believe in them, but they all bring up really good talking points. |
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Don't get me going about rubbish allowed in food. One of my all time anger/rage stimulators |
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Agreed on both, and that's kind of where I'm going with this. We'd all like to just brush the possibilities away as 'conspiracy theories', but the considering the application of such terrible programs...it makes too much sense to not be taken as a serious possibility. Logically speaking, with the way that national security risks are being stamped out with extreme prejudice and, often, less-than-ethical consequences, how far do we think our government would be willing to go, to stabilize the State? I mean, if we will stoop to torture and an acceptance of 'collateral damage', in order to neutralize a threat...how deep does that slippery slope get? Is it ethical to the State, to kill 1000 to save 1,000,000? We have to understand that these types of questions are asked and analyzed, in Defense circles. And if we can't honestly say that government entities wouldn't be capable of sacrificing 1000 to save 1,000,000 (under the cover of secrecy and lies, of course, because exposing such programs would, in itself, be a threat to national security), then aren't we all - when it comes right down to it - expendable? |
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Developed countries don't really experience problems with population growth..? The birth rate in the US is around 1.9 per woman. That means the domestic population is shrinking. |
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That is true, our population would be shrinking but we have immigration that continues to expand our population. If we were to close off all immigration our population would stop growing over time. However the government is unlikely to do that because then we have the 'aging population' problem. Which is that less people are born, so over time you have more old people than young people. That is really only a concern when you need young people to physically work, and when you have high health care costs for the elderly. The first problem is no longer an issue since most of our jobs are moving away from physical labor, the second issue is we need to reduce health care costs and then we are good to go. |
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That was mainly my point. If the US needs to stop growing, it'll just secure its borders and clamp down on legal immigration. Currently they seem pretty apathetic. |
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I dont think its really a question if there is a population problem. Its more of, do you think some crazy old men in the government/military-industrial-complex BELIEVE that there is a population problem? And needing two incomes to support one household is a financial incentive for many, to wait on having that baby. |
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If there's some crazy military guys, maybe they'll do some crazy military things. |
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I do not reply with sarcasm, or anger to any comments made on forums, as everyone deserves to have their opinion aired. |
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I'm not an immigrant; I was born here. If you want to call us all immigrants because our descendants weren't born here, you may as well call out the Natives because they migrated from Asia thousands of years ago. Fuck it -- anyone who doesn't live in Africa is now considered an immigrant everywhere. |
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What exactly am I copping out of? |
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Uh. The UK flag means that I'm from the UK. You know, that country where you live..? |
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There are no natives left in the UK. |
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TiredPhil, your posts make no sense. |
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Not always that simple. If we're talking pure numbers of people in a the US or wherever else, then yeah, the problems with overpopulation are entirely dependent on simply how many people you have. But, what is also important is how much each person consumes in food, water, power, their biological footprint on the earth, etc. If you compare the "raw energy needed" to maintain the average american citizen's lifestyle it's a hell of a lot higher than the "energy needed" to supply the average Chinese person. You could support something like six people from 3rd world countries with the "expenditure" of 1 American. I don't know how much that number has changed as it's something I heard off of NPR years ago, but you get the idea. |
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America also produces far more economic output per joule, acre, hour, etc. Economics is not a zero-sum game. As the third world grows its economies, they'll make better use of their resources to balance that out. For example: compare the output of one acre in Manhattan to one acre in Zimbabwe. |
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