Thread: America needs to be more patriotic.

truer words are rarely spoken, pOOp. People love to bitch in America but at the same time they hate to vote.

hes not the worst but hes not the brightest nail in the happy meal either

i know what you mean about being more patriotic and the only way thats going to happen is if somthing bad happens again thats the only way it ever works

Hes not the worst but probably down in the lower levels of presidents.

People do need to be more patriotic though. They need to remeber what our country is based on though. A lot of people today have some warped sense of patriotism. Following the president or saying "I support our troops" isn't patriotism.

It was that kind of thinking that lead to the deaths of millions in World War 1. If people don't openly criticize then how can we ensure bad moves will not be repeated? Nothing can improve without criticism, it's simple evolution, how will our president know to swim faster without a shark constantly trying to eat his ass up? And when our government's inability to take care of the population reaches critical mass (as it is fastly approaching) that shark will eat that fish, and that, too, is evolution.

And yes, by the way, comparitively he is easily the worst President ever. Never has a single man in the history of the world screwed his own people more than that guy.

Oh, except for that one dude in Sodom.

Actually I would rank them something like Lincoln, FDR then Bush. So the third worst president is about right.

I would rank the 5 worst Presidents of all time as:

1. Bush
2. Jackson
3. Reagan
4. Nixon
5. Polk

So, yeah, there's a difference in opinion.

Really Jackson ranked at two? I can see him on the list but that seems high.

Originally posted by pOOp
All everybody does is bad mouth the president.

This is NOT the worst president we've ever had! Get a hold of yourselves america!

If you don't like the way things are going, you VOTE you CAMPAIGN you PICKET you don't MOAN ON MYSPACE ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT

Making fun of someone's name or posting videos of when the president makes a mistake in a speech DOES NOT GET ANYTHING DONE

You don't have to SUPPORT the president (i dont), you just have to accept it, and maybe in four years your party will have a shot at it.

And waving an american flag does not mean you support bush it just means you support your country

First, only Idiots vote because only Idiots would set themselves up to serve on Jury Duty, and it is from the Pool of Registered Voters that they get Jurors, and you know what they say... "Too stupid to get out of Jury Duty". I guess you never thought of it, huh?

Also, voting is meaningless. Yes, you get to vote for the final outcome of the Nominating Process, but it is the Political Lobbies that pick the candidates, and they are all substantially the same -- endorced by the Gun Lobby and the Zionist Lobby. If one really had a choice between 'heads' or 'tails' then okay... but as it is now, why become vulnerable to Jury Duty just to vote for some favorite version of the same old thing.

Also, moaning and complaining DOES get something done. It shows the World that not all Americans are the Next Wave of Nazi-Like Barbarians. And this may be important later on, for Americans. What if there is a Drought across the Midwest, or the Big One finally hits California and the American Stock Market Collapses taking with it the hyperinflated value of the Dollar. Then America would need the Relief of the Rest of the World, something they would not get if the World thought that every American was solidly behind that Moronic Dictator George Bosh.

For instance, it is difficult for Civilized People to really condemn the English for their Pro-Zionist and misguided interferences in the internal affairs of Iraq, since it is clear that the vast majority of the English disagree with all that. The only Englishman that really wants to march in locked goose-step with America is their PM Tony "The Pucker Slave" Blair. Now why he would go along with America.... I guess he must be a Free Mason too.

Which brings us again to the use of Voting. Why bother when they are all Free Masons.. It is not as though we can vote for the Grand Dragon or anything.

haha very true leo. I was just about to register to vote but I think you changed my mind.

the candidates really are pretty much the same. this last election was like choosing between, well, george bush and john kerry.

I'd sooner vote for captain kangaroo.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


First, only Idiots vote because only Idiots would set themselves up to serve on Jury Duty, and it is from the Pool of Registered Voters that they get Jurors, and you know what they say... "Too stupid to get out of Jury Duty". * I guess you never thought of it, huh?
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hey stupid



how bout you do some research before you post?




[quote]State jury lists are drawn from Driver's License lists

There he is again saying Jury Duty is a punishment. Jury duty is a good thing, it gives you direct control in the outcome of a trial. People complain and moan that their votes mean nothing but then when they have a guarantee DIRECT say on a law, they call it a punishment.

No offence but anyone who says you should avoid jury duty and voting is an idiot, because they are basicly telling you to give up your voice in our government. Its just another example of how our country has fallen. Instead of being interested in giving one of your neighbors justice, you seek to avoid responsibilty and throw them to someone else to deal with. And I thought you were a religious man, were is your sense of justice? Oh wait, you only care about it when its convenient for yourself.

So many things I should respond to...

Okay... yes Jackson is second on my list because that excuse for a scumbag, that sack of 90 year old puss, that crotch-rot piece of shit committed genocide, hard-core genocide that would have made Columbus proud. He was a ruthless, racist warlord. Polk... Polk made up a story of Americans getting shot at so he could steal land from the Mexicans. Polk was the archetype of deception, a model for Nixon to follow, a model for the CIA which pulled the same trick in Vietnam. Reagan back-handedly sent South and Central America to Hell and people are still dying, being disappeared and tortured as a result of him.

But none of that comes close to Bush, not only did his people fake evidence for a war, but they handed the world economy to China and China's new capitalists, which have all the power as America's capitalists without any of those pesky human rights to deal with. That was singularly Bush, Clinton gave us a surplus, it was Bush that sold that hegemonal countrol of the planet to China through massive unpayable debts used for what? To give Halliburton and edge over the competition? That piece of dried excriment, that maggoty, filth-rotted, half-retarded pissface sold us out, lied to us, tore our land up and sold it to developers, let people pollute our air, our water, our soil IRREPARABLY, sacrificed the lifestyles and well-being of our workers for the luxury of the elitists... that man committed the most UNPATRIOTIC ACT of ANY HUMAN BEING to touch foot on American soil INCLUDING THE TERRORISTS!

So yeah, I do think he's the worst president ever, and I do think it pays to bitch about him because we NEED to be patriotic at this point in time, and the way to do that is to tell him he's not welcomed on this planet, and to make it very, very clear he sold out America and betrayed America. Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism.

youre right. I dont know why people are so insistant on bad mouthing the president. perhaps they have forgetten that we have two Houses who are really in charge and president is just a little posse ................................

I'll be patriotic when this country is democratic. congress is passing too many horrible bills or not passing good ones even if 80% of the nation supports it....and good luck finding a good congressman to vote for. I've only found one and hes not even in my state

Bush may be the best thing to have happen to this country. He's beginning to get people to WAKE THE HELL UP and realize how screwed up our country is...haha. Thanks Bush.

Things have gotta get worse before they get better, eh?

I would like to throw Calvin Coolidge's name in as one of the worst presents. He slept 12 hours a day and served right before the Great Depression. I think he caused it in other words.

Defined as "love for one's country and willing to sacrifice for it", you call it patriotism, I call it propaganda. Our country is in a horrible state, the governments do whatever the hell they want, and there's nothing we can do about it. Of course, if someone is offended about some minor issue, which they should not be, then a rule of some sort will get passed, but that only happens when it doesn't matter.

People, hardly know how to think. Like Nina said, Bush is causing people to snap out of their spells and wake up. When a few more people do, I think we need to tear down all structures of authority, and even get rid of currency too. That could be wishful thinking, but that's what I want. I'm not going to complain about it, I would rather do something about it. When I'm ready I will.

Originally posted by juroara
youre right. I dont know why people are so insistant on bad mouthing the president. perhaps they have forgetten that we have two Houses who are really in charge and president is just a little posse ................................

I'll be patriotic when this country is democratic. congress is passing too many horrible bills or not passing good ones even if 80% of the nation supports it....and good luck finding a good congressman to vote for. I've only found one and hes not even in my state

You are right, there is a bigger movement and though the president and his advisors have a lot more power than you let on: he unilaterally went into Iraq, initially, and he commands the armed forced, the CIA the FBI, NSA, etc... meaning he can do anything he wants, the Congress just get's to decide if what he's doing is legal or not. The congress has the power to check the president, but because they managed to divide and conquer this country, the congress is basically useless. The only thing congress can agree on is increasses their incumbancy (because what corporation would want tro invest in a one term senator?) and increasing their pay.

But yeah I agree it's not just the one guy that's at fault, there is an elitist reactionary greedy little undercoated movement using religion as a gimmick to fool the religious, patriotism/nationalism as a gimmick to fool the patriots and nationalists and freedom as a gimmick to fool everyone else who's willing to be fooled. Does anyone in this movement stand for any of those? The lobbyists? The guys that hire the lobbyists? The 99% of congress and advisors and judges that do what the lobbyists tell them? No, they're just trying to get paid. But the fact is it is under Bush that all this terrible stuff is happening, like all the power on the planet being given to China's elitists. He can stop any of it, and if you do nothing you do share responsibility for injustice.

Originally posted by Distant Clone
I would like to throw Calvin Coolidge's name in as one of the worst presents. He slept 12 hours a day and served right before the Great Depression. I think he caused it in other words.

Well theres basicly two kinds of people. People who want their presidents to do something great and people who want their presidents to follow the constitution. I want them to follow the constitution. If a president sat in office for 8 years and never did a single thing, he would rank above atleast 15 other presidents.

So I don't buy any of that crap. He didn't cause the great depression, and its not the presidents job to do anything at all involving the economy. I am sure you can come up with other reasons to say hes bad, but ranking him in the worst because he actually followed the constituiton is stupid.

alric wrote:

Actually I would rank them something like Lincoln, FDR then Bush. So the third worst president is about right.[/b]

i not exactly a historian, but i'm pretty sure lincoln was not the worst president of all time. could you explain why you think this.

leo volontwrote:

Also, moaning and complaining DOES get something done. It shows the World that not all Americans are the Next Wave of Nazi-Like Barbarians. And this may be important later on, for Americans. What if there is a Drought across the Midwest, or the Big One finally hits California and the American Stock Market Collapses taking with it the hyperinflated value of the Dollar. Then America would need the Relief of the Rest of the World, something they would not get if the World thought that every American was solidly behind that Moronic Dictator George Bosh.[/b]

right. so making funny videos about him and writing in your blog about how you hate him will get the support of the world, but voting him out of office is for stupid people. great logic. i'm pretty sure most countries would support us based on him not being in office rather than a video of his speech mistakes on 'YouTube'. i could be wrong though.

Originally posted by rexle


leo volontwrote:

Also, moaning and complaining DOES get something done. It shows the World that not all Americans are the Next Wave of Nazi-Like Barbarians. And this may be important later on, for Americans. What if there is a Drought across the Midwest, or the Big One finally hits California and the American Stock Market Collapses taking with it the hyperinflated value of the Dollar. Then America would need the Relief of the Rest of the World, something they would not get if the World thought that every American was solidly behind that Moronic Dictator George Bosh.

right. so making funny videos about him and writing in your blog about how you hate him will get the support of the world, but voting him out of office is for stupid people. great logic. i'm pretty sure most countries would support us based on him not being in office rather than a video of his speech mistakes on 'YouTube'. i could be wrong though.[/b]

Rexie, you are far to American-Centric. The rest of the World already hates George Bush. It is not as though criticism of George Bush in America will ADD to the the International Distrust and Contempt for George Bush. That is fixed. Its a given. but what it COULD Do is show the International Community that the American Electorate is becoming more trustworthy.

You see, America can rightly be regarded as a Threat to the Remainder of the World if it is at all likely that the American Electorate is perceived as prone to Elect Militarist Dictators.

And it doesn't take much to scare the International Community. Afterall, now that the American Politicians have discovered the Strategy of Third Party Vote Dillution, a particularly cunning Political Party could capture the Executive Branch with only some 34% of the Popular Vote.... that is 34% of the 20% of the people who bother to Vote (in other words, America could go NAZI if just 7 out of 100 People were to Vote for it) ... who bother to expose themselves to Jury Duty by registering to Vote. That is a far less percentage of Crazy Fascists then even Hitler had to shoot for to become Chancellor.

So, really, the way I read History, the International Community would be biding its time and waiting for an opportunity to give America a knockout punch. and it is because, if you ask Americans on the street what they think is Americas Role in the World Today, they more often then not advocate Conquering the World and suppressing all other Nations and Peoples, and that they wish they could vote for Politicians who think as they do.

What we have is the Last Single Superpower in the World verging on the edge of a Campaign of World Genocide and Conquest. Of course the Europeans and the Asians should have some concern there.

And so the problem here is not that Americans are not patriotic enough.

Or let us ask, was Germany's Problem one of being Not Patriotic Enough, or perhaps TOO Patriotic.

America really could use more Citizens of the World. All of these "America Ober Alles" patriots really do present the World with a realistic source for anxiety.

Lincoln is up there as the worst because just like Bush, he totally abused the constitution. They are actually a lot alike in that way. The same goes for FDR too. All 3 just totally ignored the constituion like it meant nothing and they all expanded government like crazy. Which is why they are the 3 worse presidents on my list. If you look at all their major things they did, they are all against the constitution.

As for the threat america is to the rest of the world, I totally agree. To be totally honest I am more scared of the US government than north korea, iran and iraq put togather. Seriously north korea and iran are small potatoes, they can't touch us. In todays world the most likely thing to harm us is our own government. Which is why I get mad when people say you shouldn't vote or go to jury duty and basicly just accept whatever the government says. It just puts us at that much more risk. People have to be more active.

Originally posted by Alric
Lincoln is up there as the worst because just like Bush, he totally abused the constitution. .

Duh.

And what makes the Constitution the inspired word of God?

America had a Civil War BECAUSE of flaws in the Constitution. We would call that a Constitutional Crisis.

You see, the Constitution had leaned more in the direction of Chaos then toward Order. Too many States Rights. So, what would we expect from that but a State's Rebellion.

The American Civil War, and Licoln helped to resolve this Constitutional Crisis, on the side of increased power to the Central Government. For instance, now the Federal Army is actually Federal, instead of being made up by autonomous State Regiments.

But, yes, there are still problems with the American Constitution, not the least of which is that certain people think it is some kind of divine document.

Thats the thing Leo. The constitution provides ways in which we can change it. What is chaos is when people out right declear they don't have to follow it. Our government is based on it and if there are flaws, we change them.

I never said the constitution is a divine document but it is the law of the land. Our government is a "constitutional republic". Which means its based on the constitution, and so everyone in our government must follow it.

Its true that its hard to change it but its like that for a reason, so people can't just change it on a whim. It doesn't matter if you agree with the constitution or not, there has to be some order. The government can't just do as the please. So when I say the worst presidents, I am not basing it on if I liked them or not or if I thought they were good or not. I base it on, did they follow the law. And thats black and white.

So again, if you have a problem with it, you change it. We no longer have a legitimate government if people can just do whatever they want.

The constitution may allow for changes, but a 2/3 vote is required for an amendment (i think. don't correct me if I'm wrong because I don't care.) Now, as you and I both know, most people are idiots, and so there's no way to get MOST people to agree on a necessary change.

Thats the point. Unless everyone can agree on it we shouldn't be changing it. The problem with a true democracy is that the minority can lose their rights to the majority. Which is why everyone needs to be protected.