Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

prohibiting mentioning psychedelics in a dreaming forum is like prohibiting mentioning snow on a skiing forum.

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

Personally I don't like censorship.

Possible Idea! I think the concerns of the Mods/Admins is of course the "kids" or teenagers etc that use the forum. Can't they just have a drug/substance (legal or illegal doesnt matter) folder that give that gives a pop-up box with a legal disclaimer that in a sense protects (legality wise) DV. I mean even legal substances/supplements could possibly do damaged if used wrong or the correct precautions were not taken.

I think SKA's post are intelligent and well thought out topics. Some drug related and others that are not. He would be missed from this forum. This forum gets bombarded with the same topics (with new threads mind you) over and over!!! Seems pointless if nothing new is brought to the table.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

By following that logic we should also delete the entire off-topic forum, right?

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

I can see a lot of that view, especially the part about illegality (along with my earlier stated view about not wanting this site or lucid dreaming to be associated with something as taboo as drugs), but I have seen evidence that some people who post here see no distinction between the lethal high drugs that are addictive and the nonlethal trip drugs that are not addictive (Though they can cloud judgment and interfere with driving ability and so forth and induce psychotic episodes in people who are already psychotic.). The U.S. government and most governments do not acknowledge the difference either. They are two very completely different things. Aside from the legality issue, alcohol is much more in a category with heroin and cocaine than mushrooms and mescaline are, and there has been a gung-ho alcohol thread at the top of Senseless Banter for ages. But alcohol is not a taboo subject because it is legal for adults and society at large does not really see alcohol as a drug, which I think is extremely insane. I don't think there is much reason for being against discussion about driving a Honda Accord to the store on the basis that Nascar racing is very life-threatening. The term "drugs" is very broad. But again, it is a taboo subject about stuff that is illegal in most cases.

I think these kids are exposed to much more talk about drugs IN SCHOOL than on any board. Not to mention the talk at school is mostly a bunch of stupid kids bragging shit like "I was SO WAISTED that I blah blah" certainly not a intelligent conversation about psychedelics. You can't hide the real world from kids, that's just impossible. Fuck censorship, if that's the way its going to be I'm leaving too.

Oh...I love how they just close the thread questioning the censorship...even better.

They are still allowed to be talked about when relevant to lucid dreaming. I see no problem with this. If you want to talk about drugs for other purposes, there are other cool forums for this. Ask me for these and ill PM the sites to you.

Anyone ever seen Danny Darko? Its a crazy ass movie, I totally recomend it.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Anyone ever seen Danny Darko? Its a crazy ass movie, I totally recomend it.

Donnie Darko? Great movie...very crazy ass

Originally Posted by Michael

They are still allowed to be talked about when relevant to lucid dreaming. I see no problem with this. If you want to talk about drugs for other purposes, there are other cool forums for this. Ask me for these and ill PM the sites to you.

But why is it applied to only drugs...its perfectly ok to talk about irrelevant things like pets, dating, hobbies...etc.

I get your point. I shouldnt have said I see no problem with it, thats not true. Drugs are like one of my top favorite subjects if not favorite, so I am disappointed as well. They really have no good reason to stop the talk about drugs, but oh well, they are in charge. It isnt something to leave over, just join other forums as well.

Cuz ppls is uptight dawg.

I think a pop up box with a legal disclaimer on the subject (of any drugs) should work. How hard would this be to make it happen Admins or Mods?

Originally Posted by Lamneth-25

a bunch of stupid kids bragging shit like "I was SO WAISTED

Right. Because that's neeeeeeever happened here before

You can't hide the real world from kids, that's just impossible.

Lame defense. Using that logic, we might as well tolerate and discuss child porn, the processes for making meth, bomb-making techniques, burglary strategies... That leaves no room for boundaries. Every site needs its boundaries.

Fuck censorship, if that's the way its going to be I'm leaving too.

Don't cry about it. There already is censorship here. I don't see you fighting for the "right" to post porn here. Obviously, the powers that be decided that it's better to avoid illegal drug talk. Is that really so upsetting to you?

Originally Posted by Lamneth-25

But why is it applied to only drugs...its perfectly ok to talk about irrelevant things like pets, dating, hobbies...etc.

There's certain things that aren't allowed by the rules: Account spoofing, ban circumventing, racism, homo-bashing, porn-linking or imaging and illegal drug activity are the most notable. There are plenty of other sites that DO allow such things. There's even plenty that allow all of those things. There's no rule against being a member of more than one website. So quit crying just because one site doesn't allow certain things.

Originally Posted by Lamneth-25

That would be like banning LD and philosophy discussions on a drug forum.

No, not at all. It's much easier to accept talk of legal activities on a drug forum, whose very foundation is illegal activities. I hardly see the comparison.


I support the decision. I think it was for the greater good of the DV community.

Very Well put Oneironaught!!

It is easily looked upon as "stupid" from... uh well, stupidity/

OneironauT, can you agree with me that my Topic was not just any sort of drug discussion
? IMO it was a very intellectual, truthfull discussion that was neither gloryfying nor demoralising the use of Psychedelic drugs. Also it was not like I planned to discuss drugs such as Meth, Cocaine and Heroin, but I was glad to see that in my topic some people who did use such mentally damaging & physically harmfull drugs, could be motivated to consciously reconsider their irresponsible, risky drug (ab)use by the advice and words of other drug-users who have found a way to do drugs in a responsible, spiritual, non-harmfull matter.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Right. Because that's neeeeeeever happened here before


Lame defense. Using that logic, we might as well tolerate and discuss child porn, the processes for making meth, bomb-making techniques, burglary strategies... That leaves no room for boundaries. Every site needs its boundaries.


Don't cry about it. There already is censorship here. I don't see you fighting for the "right" to post porn here. Obviously, the powers that be decided that it's better to avoid illegal drug talk. Is that really so upsetting to you?

There's certain things that aren't allowed by the rules: Account spoofing, ban circumventing, racism, homo-bashing, porn-linking or imaging and illegal drug activity are the most notable. There are plenty of other sites that DO allow such things. There's even plenty that allow all of those things. There's no rule against being a member of more than one website. So quit crying just because one site doesn't allow certain things.


No, not at all. It's much easier to accept talk of legal activities on a drug forum, whose very foundation is illegal activities. I hardly see the comparison.


I support the decision. I think it was for the greater good of the DV community.

I wonder why it is, Oneironaught, that you compare Discussing Child Pornorgraphy, Meth-making instructions, bomb-making instructions and Burglary tips with Discussing Psychedelic drugs. Cuz obviously there are reasonable moral grounds in which you'd want to avoid discussions about Child Pornography, Meth-production, burglary and Bomb-making Instructions; These things HARM people. There is no discussion possible that they don't harm people. Ask Meth-junkies, Burglary victims, sexually abused children and Bombing-victims; They harm people.

It seems you have piled Psychedelic drugs together with all the former mentioned business, and by placing it in that row of harmfull subjects you criminalize it. Which is unrightious.
While if you were to get down to the pure, unbiased truth about Psychedelics, what they are and what they actually do, you will find the opposite to be true: They don't harm people, In fact most people have found that their psychedelic experiences have greatly benefited them spiritually. Rarely someone does psychedelics and becomes permanently mentally disturbed; This too is the result of improper education on the subject: no wonder if drug discussions are banned.

Now about the discussion of illegal activities. Based on who's laws? US laws?
Guns are legal; They are MADE for killing; doing harm, and that's exactly what people buy and use them for. Psychedelics don't do any such harm, but they're illegal. Where's the moral Logics in that? Pleas explain that to me Oneironaught.
Doesn't that mean that the law is hypocritical and that it's moral motivations are most questionable?