Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
You're predicting an unlikely future. Why are you so convinced that this is going to work? I don't understand where you get this unlimited confidence that everything is soon going to be so wonderful there.
Because with democracy comes economic freedom. With economic freedom comes a booming economy. With a booming economy comes a civilized culture. You must think Iraqi people are inevitably going to suck and that nothing can be done about it. We are very different in that way. I have a lot of belief in human potential. I have seen what Western nations can become, and I believe that in time the Middle East can do what we have done.

Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
You are in serious denial about what happened in Vietnam. We lost. The communists took over. It's too soon to re-write the history; too many people still know what happened. Wait a few more decades.
Did you read the details of what I said about that? Respond to them if you did.

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Yea, their kids will be thanking them for all the debt they'll be paying back to the Chinese for the rest of their lives. The war is not beneficial to our population. It's beneficial to a few people's wallets.
Increased stability in the Middle East is good for the world. The taking down of two terrorist governments is great for the world, and we have already accomplished that.

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What does that mean? Why don't we attack N. Korea? Because they have WMD. Why did we attack Iraq? Because they didn't, and we knew it.
I will say it yet again. Not being able to find something does not prove that it never existed.

North Korea does not meet the same list of circumstances the Hussein regime met. I am having to tell you so many things multiple times.

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So you admit there are circumstances in which you would sell out America to the Chinese. You must be friends with the Clintons.
Oh really? So, hypothetically, if I favor a 1% tax increase in the United States or give away a minor military secret to end all starvation in China, I am like the Clintons? Every decision should involve a cost/benefit analysis. I am willing to sacrifice to help China when the cost/benefit scales are tipped the right way. I don't see my country as the only country in the world that matters. The whole world matters to me. How about you?

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I seriously doubt it....

It is very strange to me how convinced you are that this will "work". What could possibly cause you to think that those people are suddenly going to start getting along and have an non-corrupt, democratic society? It's beyond ludicrous. We need a good dictator to install in there. Oh wait, we had one, what happened? (That's sarcasm).

You have no answer to that because you can't predict the future. It's just rhetorical.
I have no answer? Observe your incorrectness (yet again)... I don't think it will be sudden. I think it will happen over time. Their business climate and economy will improve due to new economic freedoms. That will greatly clean up the economy and provide education incentives. The result of that is increased civilization, which decreases the suicide bomber mentality climate and serves as an influence to the surrounding nations.

The Middle East recently began its great revolution, and we got it started. It is going to stop being a third world Hell hole, and it is going to become a productive and high class part of the world. Bush is going to go down in history as the person who began the revolution, and the future Middle East will always be very grateful for it and will always frown on those who tried to stop it from happening.