Thread: Will you get the National ID card?

Originally Posted by O'nus

I was born in Germany, actually! *Shakes fist in rage*
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Oh sorry...I meant some really cool Canadian thing, obviously influenced by the even cooler Germans! We should do that, definitely!

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Oh sorry...I meant some really cool Canadian thing, obviously influenced by the even cooler Germans! We should do that, definitely!

*Holds bombs in reserve* That's more like it...
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Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I like to think social rejects could form their own societies living in preindustrialized societies, even with electricity, just sustainably made.

I highly doubt it, unless what you are talking about is a very small group of people (as opposed to a city, or state, or country). When you have too many people without any authority to keep them behaving, civility goes out the window and people get crazy. They riot, rape, pillage, and murder. And in that sort of society, those who act civilly are likely to be the one’s who become the victims to such behavior, whereas those who are ruthless, cutthroat, and scheming thrive in such conditions. Either way, society can’t survive until order is somehow restored, and when we are taking about large numbers of people, the only way that happens is with some form of government…and the whole process begins again.

I never said there wouldn't be leadership or law. I was just saying it'd be self-sustainable and disconnected from regular society.

Yes, but there are even some anarchist societies that function quite well; but as has been suggested, they are small.

Moonbeam: Last I heard it was to be implemented in May 2008; though that may have changed by now. The majority of states are opposed to this.

I will for sure refuse this card. if it means i have to take the bus for the rest of my life, ill be a bus riding mofo sleeping good with a clean councious. change comes thru sacrifice, man up.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

TO HELL WITH THE ID CARD, AND TO HELL WITH OUR GOVERNMENT...I'M A HUMAN BEING GODDAMNIT!! MY LIFE HAS VALUE!!

Totaly agree, We aren't any cow need to have a number to not get lost in a Phucking cage. Human beings not a cow or a bull

Originally Posted by Never

Yes, but there are even some anarchist societies that function quite well; but as has been suggested, they are small.

Moonbeam: Last I heard it was to be implemented in May 2008; though that may have changed by now. The majority of states are opposed to this.

Thanks. I saw different things. Maybe it is being delayed.

It might not help to go to another country because a lot of them have cards like this.

I wonder where the most free place in the world is. I mean civilized place.

Any opinions on that?

The woods!

Seriously that is a good question. I would say Mongolia. Population 2.9 million and one of the largest countries; almost half of the people are nomadic and live the old ways. Of what religion there is, most of it is Buddhist. I think it is one of the last holdouts for freedom and natural living in the world.

Originally Posted by Never

The woods!

Sounds attractive for a little while...

Originally Posted by Never

Seriously that is a good question. I would say Mongolia. Population 2.9 million and one of the largest countries; almost half of the people are nomadic and live the old ways. Of what religion there is, most of it is Buddhist. I think it is one of the last holdouts for freedom and natural living in the world.

My geography is not the best, but isn't that part of China? How long will they remain that way? And an ousider couldn't just go join them probably.

I guess I meant what country has the best government?

Mongolia is political apart of China but because its mostly nomadic they have no political power there. Of course, You have to get used to the Ghobi desert.

It's not mostly Buddhist, it's mostly indiginous.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

First the bad news...but look at the bright side!

the brighst side is this: if you rebel they turn off your chip.

Originally Posted by ranma187

the brighst side is this: if you rebel they turn off your chip.

I was just joking about how RD described it. It sounded funny, a bunch of bad stuff, but one good think after all.

I don't think "turning off my chip" would be a bright side. That doesn't sound good.

We aren't any cow need to have a number to not get lost in a Phucking cage. Human beings not a cow or a bull

That's the spirit. Only your drivers licence is a number. You have much more than a number to label you. Your identity includes many bits of plastic and paper. Soon as your born you even get a certificate that ses you officially exist. That means you are now private property and the certificate is a contract of your agreement. That's worse. You are also lost in a cage that is known as a Monentary System.

But don't worry. I'm just conspiracy. lets not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

I was just joking about how RD described it. It sounded funny, a bunch of bad stuff, but one good think after all.

I don't think "turning off my chip" would be a bright side. That doesn't sound good.

Don't worry, I'm sure all of DV would go to war with them if that happened to you.

NID is supposed to happen in 2008 I think? It's a little late to educate the masses. I like to tell the christians it's the mark of the beast!!

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Don't worry, I'm sure all of DV would go to war with them if that happened to you.

yeah moonbeam kicks ass! i would go to war for moon! sorry moonbeam i didn't mean to sound harsh.

Originally Posted by R.D.735

Giving a single card so much power means that a single card can take away that power. If your card is damaged, lost, or stolen, you have lost your ability to do many important tasks, and how will you prove your identity so that you can get a new card? You'd use all of the personal information that is already being used to prove your identity.

In essence, the NID is only as secure as that information is, and the NID makes that information less secure because it creates new venues by which that information can be lost or stolen.

It's primary purpose is to give the federal government the power to deactivate your ID card so that you can no longer perform basic tasks, a crime-prevention tactic. Of course, if the government suspected you of a crime, its priority should be to arrest you, not prevent you from performing legal activities(I assume illicit activities would not require ID).

On the plus side, when most common tasks require all of the information that the NID will contain, it'll be more convenient to use the NID.

That is a great argument. Agree 120%. Btw I always like your posts ^^

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Don't worry, I'm sure all of DV would go to war with them if that happened to you.

Originally Posted by ranma187

yeah moonbeam kicks ass! i would go to war for moon! sorry moonbeam i didn't mean to sound harsh.

A little late, but thanks guys. I'll help you if they try to turn off your chips too.

It'll be more convenient to use the NID

If I was a tyrant psycho. Which I'm not. But if I was and I was in power. Like many that want to create this card. I'd love to give everyone a national ID that I can de-activate whenever it suited me. That would be perfect for control. more convenient for the criminals, yes. But I'm not on there side am I.

Why don't you just get a bar code on your forhead like an idiot and love it. That's what all good sheep do.

I might actually agree with Mystic a bit.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

If I was a tyrant psycho. Which I'm not. But if I was and I was in power. Like many that want to create this card. I'd love to give everyone a national ID that I can de-activate whenever it suited me. That would be perfect for control. more convenient for the criminals, yes. But I'm not on there side am I.

Why don't you just get a bar code on your forhead like an idiot and love it. That's what all good sheep do.

p.s. I subscribed to that Red Ice Creations link you gave me earlier, not that much money either

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