have you guys read about this??

[awoke]

could be Pandoras box, crazy stuff. I read about it while ago, but ive been seeing it pop up a lot lately.... (I didnt write this, if that wasn't clear). ------------------------------------------------------ Please take the time to look at this. This concerns me as it should everyone else. This is The Biggest experiment in human history! They plan on activating this "big bang machine" on nov 26, 2008. You would be foolish not to pay attention to this project. And then we created a God and became the Masters of the Universe........before it went a bit pear-shaped and BANG!! We were gone! LHC - Large Hadron Collider The biggest piece of machinery every made by mankind, could generate mini-black holes just about every second, and could possibly explain the origins of the Big Bang. You tell me... is it safe to create black holes on Earth? Objects so powerful that not even light can escape, much less planet Earth and the entire Solar System? The machine will be activated sometime during the summer of 2008. It failed to launch in November 2007 because US manufactured 'triplet' giant magnets failed during a test run. Brief documentary on LHC CERN facility (6 min) .. BBC Horizon - The Six Billion Dollar Experiment (LHC) ************************************************** ************** World’s Largest Supercollider Could Destroy the Universe ************************************************** ************** by Mike Zazaian September 12, 2006 As the Cernier company prepares to test the world’s largest supercollider physicists express concern that too much is being left to chance. The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm, is currently in the process of building what would be the world’s largest working supercollider. Known as “Large Hadron Collider,” or LHC, the device is 27 kilometers (16.7 miles) long and resides in a tunnel approximately 100 meters beneath the Franco-Swiss border, just outside of Geneva. By accelerating protons toward each other at 99.999999% the speed of light the LHC can recreate conditions similar to those that resulted from the Big Bang, ultimately alighting a great deal about the particles and forces that comprise our Universe. A press release from CERN better illuminates their intent for the project: Our current understanding of the Universe is incomplete. We have seen that the theory we use, the Standard Model, leaves many unsolved questions. Among them, the reason why elementary particles have mass, and why are their masses different is the most perplexing one. It is remarkable that such a familiar concept is so poorly understood. LHC functions by accelerating two counter-rotating beams of protons toward each other at high speeds. By cooling magnets to near absolute zero (-273 degrees celcius) with an enormous cryogenics system, the LHC can move particles toward each other at speeds only one millionth of a percent away from the speed of light. And while Physicists have the logistics of the LHC well in hand ideas about its outcome are strictly theoretical. According to one scenario tiny black holes could be produced which hopefully would decay into what is known as Hawking radiation (the tinier the black hole, the faster it evaporates). If these black holes fail to decay, however, the consequences could be disasterous. CERN software developer Ran Livneh has expressed some concerns about the project: This physical realm is unknown, and dangerous phenomena might arise…Any physicist will tell you that there is no way to prove that generated black holes will decay. The consequences of being mistaken are unfathomable. This subject deserves serious unbiased discussion. Despite these theoretical discrepencies the LHC project will continue as scheduled toward its launch in 2007. Mankind has never progressed itself due to fear of the unknown. Although the results of the Large Hadron Collider could potentially be disasterous, the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally so.

[Moonbeam]

Although the results of the Large Hadron Collider could potentially be disasterous, the intellectual consequences of not conducting the experiment could be equally so. And we need to create black holes for what emergency? It wouldn't cause disasterous intellectual consequences to 99.99% of people, I wouldn't think. I've gone this long without knowing about them and been OK.

[Bonsay]

I think it's awesome. I'm really interested in what they'll find out when they start testing. Although I hope we don't get torn apart by a black hole. I read that the quick difference in strength of gravitational pull would stretch you, a lot obviously. Anyway, they won't stop the testing, they've been building this thing for years.

[Jeff777]

I remember hearing something about man creating mini black holes on the history or discovery channel. Aawoke, perhaps I'm going off the deep end by saying this but from my perspective, things will only get crazier and more hectic in the countdown to 2012.

[Jdeadevil]

I don't think I'll live untill I'm 50, one day we will all day because some dumbass will create a machine that turns us all into blood thirsty monsters, literally. And I accidently read Jeff's post, and I think we'll all die because some guy will go "We're all going to die anyway" and kill us all.

[The Cusp]

I heard about that on Coast to Coast AM. One the one hand, tiny black holes pass through the earth all the time. But these one they plan on creating would probably be stationary. But on the other hand, this one would probably be stationary. Plus I don't think they have any means to disassemble it. A black hole warhead would make for a pretty cool missile, if such a thing were possible.

[Carôusoul]

I don't think I'll live untill I'm 50, one day we will all day because some dumbass will create a machine that turns us all into blood thirsty monsters, literally. And I accidently read Jeff's post, and I think we'll all die because some guy will go "We're all going to die anyway" and kill us all. You don't actually believe this, do you?

[Jdeadevil]

No, I just don't want it to happan!

[Carôusoul]

No, I just don't want it to happan! So you believe it is possible? HA.

[Jdeadevil]

Sure you're not planning on destorying us all? Lol

[Spartiate]

I think all worries associated with this project are a little exaggerated. According to our current understanding, nothing bad will happen, we just fear what unknown problems could happen. Of course there is no way of knowing that this machine would be 100% safe until it is tested, but the risk of anything going wrong is so minimal and the data that will be gathered so valuable that I don't see why it should be stopped. The Cernier Company or CERN, the world’s largest physics research firm That's wrong, CERN stands for the now defunct Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire, it's not a firm, but an international organization.

[mark]

its not about creating black holes, the experiment is meant to discover the higgs boson (spelling?) or the so called "god Particle". This is the particle they hope will explain how everything gets mass, because at present non to the components of the atom have any mass when broken down to its base levels. Although black holes are a possibility they did say that any created would degrade almost instantly, but there is a possibility that they wont ha ha Also another interesting thing is they believe they may discover further dimensions if any of the particles "dissapear" upon collision......how cool is that lol

[Original Poster]

DId any of you see the documentary of the electric universe in "thunderbolts of the gods" thread? Blackholes are just electric surges.

[Bonsay]

Also another interesting thing is they believe they may discover further dimensions if any of the particles "dissapear" upon collision......how cool is that lol Those would be gravitons, right? I watched a movie which gave that explanation to "why is gravity so weak". Because gravitons aren't bound to this dimension.

[Jeff777]

I heard about that on Coast to Coast AM. Have you listened to David Wilcock when he was a guest on C2C AM?

[Jdeadevil]

No no no no no, we're talking about the end of the world, not him, unless the end of the world is David Wilcock.

[mark]

Those would be gravitons, right? I watched a movie which gave that explanation to "why is gravity so weak". Because gravitons aren't bound to this dimension. well the particle is called the higgs boson, im not sure if its the same thing as a graviton to be honest but I dont think it is, I think it is another elementary particle. I do know that it still has not been observed and it is the last particle of the standard model.....so basically if they cant find any evidence for it then the current view on physics is wrong because without it nothing has mass. I have heard that about gravity leaking from higher dimensions which is really interesting and fits well (at least in my opinion) as to why gravity is so weak. I love that stuff, string theory and M theory etc great stuff

[Moonbeam]

I have heard that about gravity leaking from higher dimensions which is really interesting and fits well (at least in my opinion) as to why gravity is so weak. I love that stuff, string theory and M theory etc great stuff Good, explain it to me sometime. They're making that thing with taxpayer money too.

[Spartiate]

Good, explain it to me sometime. They're making that thing with taxpayer money too. Not your tax money though, CERN is europeen...

[Pyrofan1]

One the one hand, tiny black holes pass through the earth all the time. [citation needed]

[IZ]

Has anyone seen the movie "The Myst". Its about how some scientist did some test with their machines to open new dimensions. But once that happened, chaos was everywhere. Good movie, and its scarry to think about how it could actualy happen in the future.

[O'nus]

And we need to create black holes for what emergency? It wouldn't cause disasterous intellectual consequences to 99.99% of people, I wouldn't think. I've gone this long without knowing about them and been OK. People have said the samething about planetary motion, computers, emails, etc. etc... it apparently offers understanding on something beyond my field of study and as long as it is safe, then I encourage it. ~

[Original Poster]

Has anyone seen the movie "The Myst". Its about how some scientist did some test with their machines to open new dimensions. But once that happened, chaos was everywhere. Good movie, and its scarry to think about how it could actualy happen in the future. Yeah not just chaos, a window was opened and a bunch of crazy creatures started walking out and killing people. But I think it's important to keep the movie's theme in mind which is not "dont fuck with science" but rather "dont give up, no matter how fucked up shit seems"

[awoke]

well, obviously everyone would be cool with it if it were safe. who knows, maybe it will be. the problem is, nobody knows what will happen. of course, thats the reason for doing the experiment, but if something does go wrong, and gets out of control, thats the end of the world basicaly. Jeff7777777777777, yeah man. from what ive read, 2008 is when shit is supposed to get really crazy. and down the rabbit hole we'll go until 2012.

[Oneironaught]

One the one hand, tiny black holes pass through the earth all the time. Are you sure you aren't thinking of neutrinos? I'm not saying you're wrong. I've just never heard of that one.