Will The Ron Paul Revolution destroy America

**Xaqaria** · 02-21-2008 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by R.D.735

I can't imagine how any kind of opposition could be successful if all opposition was manufactured by an elite political class. It sounds like an idea based upon the perceived futility of political action. Granted, there's plenty to be said about perceived futility of political action nowadays, but it sounds like giving up to disbelieve any candidate who differs from the norm as a tool of the elite. That's learned helplessness.

That may be a good criticism of Ron Paul, Xaqaria. Which important votes did Ron Paul skip?

Well its kind of hard to find them now, I'm still looking but he was only present for a total of 5 days over the course of november and december 2007, so its a lot easier to find things he did vote on since there are so few of them.

a short list of votes that Ron Paul missed that I feel are important and pertinent to the current issues this country is facing. (disclaimer, this is a highly subjective list and is in no way claimed to be a complete depiction of R. Paul's voting history)

On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H R 3773 Responsible Electronic Surveillance That is Overseen, Reviewed, and Effective Act

Amendment 16 to H.R. 3915: Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act of 2007 (On Agreeing to the Amendment)

H.Res. 818: Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 4156) making emergency supplemental appropriations for the Department of Defense for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2008, and for other purposes. (On Agreeing to the Resolution)

H.R. 3996: Tax Increase Prevention Act of 2007 (On Passage)

H R 1955 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (under suspension of the rules)

H R 400 War Profiteering Prevention Act (under suspension of the rules)

H RES 32 Denouncing the practices of female genital mutilation, domestic violence, “honor killings”, and other gender-based persecutions and expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that participation, protection, recognition, and independence of women is crucial to achieving a just, moral and honorable society (under suspension of the rules)

These two are particularly telling to me because they are the only things that were voted on that day, they are particularly controversial in current pop culture, and he was absent that day but not the day before or the day after.

The same applies to the next string of votes.

On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H R 928 Improving Government Accountability Act

H.Res. 702: Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2740) to require accountability for contractors and contract personnel under Federal contracts, and for other purposes. (On Agreeing to the Resolution) (I'm making an assumption here since I haven't read the whole bill but it sounds like this one is meant to apply to the actions of companies like Blackwater)

On Ordering the Previous Question: H RES 701 Providing for consideration of H.R. 928, to amend the Inspector General Act of 1978 to enhance the independence of the Inspectors General, to create a Council of the Inspectors General on Integrity and Efficiency, and for other purposes

Now, I've I said, this list is far from a complete description of R. Paul's voting record, but it does show how someone can develop a 'clean voting record' by simply not voting on controversial issues.

**Man of Shred** · 02-21-2008 03:35 AM

Why AM I singling out Ron Paul? because there have been Ron Pauls throughout history and every SINGLE time, they wind up playing into Tyrannies hands. Plus Why is he encouraging people not to talk about 911 as a conspiracy? He doesn't even fight vote fraud in New Hampshire. If you do some research he is also buddy buddy with some dubious people. Sure he addresses government policies and the federal Reserve, But he doesn't even talk about the people at the top of the pyramid. The Rothchilds, Illuminati, Zionists. And these are people who create government as a Distraction, to make you think you stand for something.

Let's say Ron Paul wins. In no way can he destroy tyrrany and corruption in government and above the gov in 4 years. Ron Paul is only a symbol for freedom. We follow our guru's like sheep. I say everyone is their own free thinking guru and we should not have to rely on one man to solve all of our problems. It is Up to each individual to make change on a massive scale. Ron paul is important because he delivers a free message. But he only gives half of it. This is only history repeating itself. And it will continue to repeat itself until we know better or until we are no more.

From a buried seed, a forest May be, You may destroy, But you cannot undo.

**skysaw** · 02-21-2008 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by ranma187

Let's say Ron Paul wins. In no way can he destroy tyrrany and corruption in government and above the gov in 4 years.

Excuse me, but how exactly does that make him different from any other candidate, past or present?

**Jeff777** · 02-21-2008 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think Ron Paul is the next Rick Flair.

I don't know why...but he scares me...and no, not because of his muscles...he just looks like the kind of "thing" you read about that lurks in your closet or under your bed.

**Man of Shred** · 02-21-2008 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by skysaw

Excuse me, but how exactly does that make him different from any other candidate, past or present?

In that sense he is no different. So why does everyone think he is. JFK stood up against tyrrany. He wanted to bring down the bankers, he wanted to squash the federal Reserve too. And now years later. It's gotten worse.

**skysaw** · 02-21-2008 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by ranma187

In that sense he is no different. So why does everyone think he is. JFK stood up against tyrrany. He wanted to bring down the bankers, he wanted to squash the federal Reserve too. And now years later. It's gotten worse.

I'm very confused now. Are you saying squashing the federal reserve is good or bad? If he's for it, is that bad for America? Just what the hell are you saying?

**Man of Shred** · 02-21-2008 04:10 AM

I'm saying it's good to squash the Federal Reserve. But the federal Reserve isn't the main issue. It's the Elitists. Find out who they are and remove them.

**skysaw** · 02-21-2008 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by ranma187

I'm saying it's good to squash the Federal Reserve. But the federal Reserve isn't the main issue. It's the Elitists. Find out who they are and remove them.

I won't bother. You're all over the place, and can't stick to a simple topic. You can have you're thread back now.

**Man of Shred** · 02-21-2008 04:56 AM

Skysaw. You continually put words in my mouth of things i haven't said. I can talk for you for hours, and still i would get a 401 error.

I never said it was bad to destroy the federal Reserve. I'm just saying the people we select as guru's to fight for our freedoms have failed us throughout history. So in essence: each individual is their own guru and can work together in bringing down the fed, the illuminati and the zionists. One man can be created and destroyed but not a whole populous standing up for what is right.

**Alric** · 02-21-2008 05:01 AM

Well your wrong, because most people supporting him support the message more than the man. Everyone is comming together and saying, "Lets throw our support behind this guy so he can get his message out and maybe win the election."

Thats Ron Paul goal, is to get the message of freedom out to people. Its the other peoples job to continue to the proccess. Hes not perfect, and its impossible to talk about every issue. Hes by far the best person running however. Its no contest in that area.

Its funny your calling him a guru. Hes not, hes just a honest man standing up and speaking the truth. The reason he stands out is because hes the only one doing it.

**Universal Mind** · 02-21-2008 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I don't know why...but he scares me...and no, not because of his muscles...he just looks like the kind of "thing" you read about that lurks in your closet or under your bed.

It's kind of fuzzy, but I think he might have had a period in Mid-South Wrestling, which was centered and filmed in Jackson in the early 80's. There was so much interchanging of wrestlers among the leagues that it's hard to say who was where when. He was the North Carolina champion when I lived there, and he moved on to the WCW in Atlanta and became the champion there. Then of course he became a WWF superstar. But I sort of remember him being part of wrestling in Jackson back when the Junk Yard Dog, the Rock and Roll Express, and Ted DiBiase were big here. I am talking about Ron Paul, not Rick Flair.

**Man of Shred** · 02-21-2008 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Alric

Well your wrong, because most people supporting him support the message more than the man. Everyone is comming together and saying, "Lets throw our support behind this guy so he can get his message out and maybe win the election."

Thats Ron Paul goal, is to get the message of freedom out to people. Its the other peoples job to continue to the proccess. Hes not perfect, and its impossible to talk about every issue. Hes by far the best person running however. Its no contest in that area.

Its funny your calling him a guru. Hes not, hes just a honest man standing up and speaking the truth. The reason he stands out is because hes the only one doing it.

That's essentially what i am saying. WE can use him as a political agenda to squash the fed. HOWEVER. Should he lose or get assasinated, WE revolutionists are gonna have to be very carefull on exactly how we carry out the revolution or else it will just play into the elitists hands, like it has throughout history. And These Elitists want us mad at our government. The government is a distraction, since most of the gov is Elitist owned and the rest puppets. The entire thing is a Charade.

**Alric** · 02-21-2008 05:36 AM

Thats why you need to get as many people out as possible. Thats why you inform people as much as possible so they will know in the future.

No one really wants a revolution. The people dont, because we dont want to die. The elite don't because they are going to lose a lot of power and have to start over.

Thats a big thing, they dont want it either. They have all the control now, why would they risk losing it? Besides Ron Paul is striking at the federal reserve. The banking system is one of the biggest things. Its where a lot of the 'elites' make their money.

**Jeff777** · 02-21-2008 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It's kind of fuzzy, but I think he might have had a period in Mid-South Wrestling, which was centered and filmed in Jackson in the early 80's. There was so much interchanging of wrestlers among the leagues that it's hard to say who was where when. He was the North Carolina champion when I lived there, and he moved on to the WCW in Atlanta and became the champion there. Then of course he became a WWF superstar. But I sort of remember him being part of wrestling in Jackson back when the Junk Yard Dog, the Rock and Roll Express, and Ted DiBiase were big here. I am talking about Ron Paul, not Rick Flair.

Haha wow nice...

Ted DiBiase?! Haha fuck I'm friends with his son Brett xD

**Universal Mind** · 02-21-2008 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Ted DiBiase?! Haha fuck I'm friends with his son Brett xD

No way! I remember they used to live in Clinton. I saw Ted at the fair a few years ago. I got out of my car, and he was right there walking by me. He said, "Hey," to me, so I said, "Hey," back.

**ChrissyMaria** · 02-21-2008 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by ranma187

Why AM I singling out Ron Paul? because there have been Ron Pauls throughout history and every SINGLE time, they wind up playing into Tyrannies hands. Plus Why is he encouraging people not to talk about 911 as a conspiracy? He doesn't even fight vote fraud in New Hampshire. If you do some research he is also buddy buddy with some dubious people. Sure he addresses government policies and the federal Reserve, But he doesn't even talk about the people at the top of the pyramid. The Rothchilds, Illuminati, Zionists. And these are people who create government as a Distraction, to make you think you stand for something.

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if he spoke about this so called illuminati, he would look even more dis-credible on the media, hes already being censored and put down, you think that talking conspiracies is gonna help? no, he will be the laughing stock of america if he spoke about those issues

also if you didnt hear, hes assembling one of the largest protests in american history for june

and he said if he was president he would do a re-investigation on 9/11 and iraq and people would "goto jail"

**Man of Shred** · 02-22-2008 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by guerilla

if he spoke about this so called illuminati, he would look even more dis-credible on the media, hes already being censored and put down, you think that talking conspiracies is gonna help? no, he will be the laughing stock of america if he spoke about those issues

also if you didnt hear, hes assembling one of the largest protests in american history for june

and he said if he was president he would do a re-investigation on 9/11 and iraq and people would "goto jail"

Yes and during that very protest, something will go wrong. He may get assasinated then. Or people will get out of hand. Chaos will ensue. There will be massive confusion. people may die.

**dragonoverlord** · 02-22-2008 05:30 AM

Having read nothing of this thread other then the title i will say there will be no Ron Paul revoloution simply cause he isn't gonna get elected...sorry guys not enough momentum and sorry if this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand to ill go read up on the rest later.

ciao

27 · 02-22-2008 05:38 PM

Do you really think that the only way someone can make a difference is by winning? Ron Paul has given us hope for America, introduced myself and thousands of others to the ideas of libertarianism and true conservatism, and has inspired us to do what we must to make America great again. The revolution will live on after the election. Don't think that by losing the race we're losing the war.

And ranma, I still don't see how you think any of the other candidates are a better choice.

**dragonoverlord** · 02-22-2008 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by 27

Do you really think that the only way someone can make a difference is by winning? Ron Paul has given us hope for America, introduced myself and thousands of others to the ideas of libertarianism and true conservatism, and has inspired us to do what we must to make America great again. The revolution will live on after the election. Don't think that by losing the race we're losing the war.

And ranma, I still don't see how you think any of the other candidates are a better choice.

No it won't. As far as i know his base is ppl like u on the internet. When has a revoloution every come from the web?

By losing the race you are losing the war lol. Seriously.

If u got a problem with the system go out to the post office and refuse to put stamps on your envelopes or chain yurself to a tree.

Just talking about it on the web wont do much.

**Oneironaut Zero** · 02-22-2008 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

No it won't. As far as i know his base is ppl like u on the internet. When has a revoloution every come from the web?

By losing the race you are losing the war lol. Seriously.

If u got a problem with the system go out to the post office and refuse to put stamps on your envelopes or chain yurself to a tree.

Just talking about it on the web wont do much.

I disagree.

Talking about it on the web is the fastest way possible to gain exposure, and spread the message. In that way, you're reaching people exponentially faster than you would by chaining yourself to a tree outside the post office. The strength of a revolution comes, first, in numbers. When the revolution has sufficient support, subsequent action is the next step.

**juroara** · 02-23-2008 05:41 AM

the internet is actually the most important and meaningful tool modern man has. it must remain a place of freedom of speech.

with the internet ideas spread thousands of times faster than they did before. we can expose and spread the word faster about the power elite, and the power elite can try but will never stop us from spreading our ideas and communicating on a level mankind has never before

im not sure yet what ron paul has to do with this though

**Man of Shred** · 02-23-2008 07:40 AM

to my critics 27, and skysaw.

LISTEN: I would really appreciate it if you would come to with a real argument based on what you think of what i have actually said, and the materials i so generously provided. NOW, you mofo's have continually tried to put words in my mouth, without actually reading and thinking about the argument i actually presented. I'm not even gonna tell you guys shit or argue with you. It is YOUR JOB, to come up with a serious argument relevant to the discussion. UNTIL THEN: shut it. eitherwise it's like trying to explain to a fundamentalist christian why the earth is way to old to have possibly been brought about by creationism.

oh yeah and just to piss you guys off. I AM gonna post a video: Me talking live about this. I'm such a fame obsessed narcissist, as merlock says. That I'm even gonna put My EGO on the line, just to offer you the one in a million chance That you might actually think something for yourself, instead of just regurgitating some meme that somebody told to you. So here goes:

**skysaw** · 02-25-2008 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by ranma187

to my critics 27, and skysaw.

LISTEN: I would really appreciate it if you would come to with a real argument based on what you think of what i have actually said, and the materials i so generously provided. NOW, you mofo's have continually tried to put words in my mouth, without actually reading and thinking about the argument i actually presented.

I'd love to, but I no longer can tell what you're arguing about. I asked several times for you to clarify a point, but all of your responses were complete non-sequiturs, and did not serve to enlighten me. I can hardly argue against someone who can't even make his point clear.

27 · 02-25-2008 05:54 PM

If there's anything that I say that you don't agree with, go ahead, look it up do your own research. It is your job as free individual thinkers to test what I am saying.

So basically ranma, if I don't believe what you're saying I'm not a free thinker?

And for the record, no one was putting words in your mouth when you asked "will the Ron Paul revolution destroy America", and then accused others of "manufacturing fear". You also act like you're the only one that has done any research yet you said in your first post "Some people have said "he has a clean voting record". That is just a meme spread by the ron paul revolution. I have never seen any documents of his voting record. So yeah." Well, here it is. Not to hard to find, man. You should take your own advice. Please don't dodge this, and please don't say I'm putting words in your mouth again.

I'll ask one more time before I dismiss you as a complete idiot, how are the other candidates a better choice?

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