Thread: Einstein and some of his philosophical views.

Oh ok, It's not Einstein who said it. Who is it then Pinocchio? They are Einstein quotes so just deal with it. If it wasn't Einstein I would not quote it. It's not my fault if you don't like the quotes.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Oh ok, It's not Einstein who said it. Who is it then Pinocchio? They are Einstein quotes so just deal with it.

Unless you cite your source, the quotes may as well be from Pinocchio. "Just deal with it" is not a useful argument. It just makes you appear lazy.

It's makes you lazy not me. As your the one that wants me to do your research for you. I know it's Einstein because I'm not really paranoid about basic quotes existing that I don't want to accept as a quote. Being paranoid about sources is also not useful it just makes you appear incompetent. Especially when you can't even look it up yourself.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

It's makes you lazy not me. As your the one that wants me to do your research for you. I know it's Einstein because I'm not really paranoid about basic quotes existing that I don't want to accept as a quote. Being paranoid about sources is also not useful it just makes you appear incompetent. Especially when you can't even look it up yourself.

Since you are so trusting and don't need sources, let me tell you that in fact I have discovered that Pinocchio actually DID say those things. I looked it up, and have verified it 100%. I would post the source here, but posting it would just make me paranoid, so I haven't bothered.

let me tell you that in fact I have discovered that Pinocchio actually DID say those things. I looked it up, and have verified it 100%.

Whatever you say. How ridiculous. I was quoting Einstein not Pinocchio. That was only a joke because you were so paranoid that you thought it might be Pinocchio.

And now you say you have verified that it was quotes by Pinocchio but you don't want to post the evidence because you will appear paranoid? I think you already appear paranoid enough.

Um I wasn't saying he didn't say it... I don't know how you got that out of what I said. I said most of the "quotes" people use for him are taken out of context and used to facilitate lies. You see, there is this whole thing where Einstein had a different definition for "religion" and "God."

You see, a quote normally goes like this.


So and so is speaking.

Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. QOUTE. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence.

Normally there is this HUGE important detail in the long contrived sentences lol.

Your failure to understand that when Einstein used words like religion and God he wasn't speaking about a supernatural concept is funny.

I think Einstein was an awesome man of his time. As a Christian I utilize a lot of his theories to get my points across. I respect his work and I respect his legacy, however I don't care wether he believed in God, Zues, or no God at all. What he believed has no bearing on wether Supernatural entities exist or not. So in the end his personal beliefs are pretty irrelevant to me.

Sandform I wasn't talking to you. I was responding to the other paranoid guy. I don't think supernatural anything. I was just quoting Einstein. What's the big deal....Words like god and religion existed way before Einstein mentioned them. It's something you will have to deal with.

Sorry I guess he deleted his post since there is no one in between your original quotes and your second post besides me heh. I just don't like quotes that try to persuade people into believing that other people held beliefs contrary to what they actually believed.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Whatever you say. How ridiculous. I was quoting Einstein not Pinocchio. That was only a joke because you were so paranoid that you thought it might be Pinocchio.

And now you say you have verified that it was quotes by Pinocchio but you don't want to post the evidence because you will appear paranoid? I think you already appear paranoid enough.

How can you so misunderstand everything you read? I will break down my post for you, since it doesn't seem to make sense to you.

Have you ever heard the saying "Turnabout is fair play?" It means, in a nutshell, that if you do something to further your aims, it is equally fair for someone else to use the same means to further theirs. In this case, the "turnabout" in question was the use of unsupported claims, and a flat-out refusal to support them when questioned.

Obviously Pinnocchoi didn't say those things. Only the simplest of minds would think that that was the point of my post, or even that I believed it to be so. The argument served only to show you how meaningless it is to make a claim without being able to support it.

If your goal is to be believed or even listened to, you should strive to make a more convincing argument than someone on the other side. Here, the other side was presented by Sandform. He gave full quotes in context and sourced them. You, on the other hand, provided snippets of quotes from unknown contexts and refused to delve any deeper. It's not whether or not Einstein said them (and I believe he did), but that we have no larger context within which to understand what he was getting at.

It is this larger context that would have supported your position, but you refused to supply it. Why on earth would I want to look it up when I'm already on Sandform's side? Why would anyone want to look it up if you yourself were too lazy to supply the information?

You give me no choice but to conclude that you either have no idea of the context, or have realized that supplying the context would destroy the point you were trying to make in the first place.

In the end, it won't matter if you're right or wrong... a bad argument will make you appear wrong anyway. If your only alibi in a murder case is a person you refuse to reveal to the judge, you'll end up in jail innocent or not.

I didn't delete any posts. And see the female icon? Yeah, I am not male. Quotes are just what people said. They are not debating or trying to convince anyone about anything they are just quotes. Your the one trying to persuade I just quoted Einstein and that's it. Now I am caught in the web of paranoia that it might be a supernatural conspiracy. lol.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Um I wasn't saying he didn't say it... I don't know how you got that out of what I said. I said most of the "quotes" people use for him are taken out of context and used to facilitate lies. You see, there is this whole thing where Einstein had a different definition for "religion" and "God."

Every single person has a different definition of God. You as an atheist just think that everyone thinks that God is a fairy. Except for Einstein, Einstein is the only guy on earth who has a different concept of God according to you.

If I quote Einstein on God, I'm talking about the exact same God Einstein was talking about.

It is possible for people to have a concept of God which is not a fairy. It is possible for people to have a concept of God that is the same as Einsteins concept of God. And if those people have the same cocnept of God as Einstein, it's only logical to quote Einstein on God.

This whole thing was probably caused by the use of the word "actual." Which was refering to qoutes that aren't taken out of context rather than those that are taken out of context.

Ok some i'm going to have to explain what is happening here, because I think your missing something. So here we go.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I didn't delete any posts. And see the female icon? Yeah, I am not male. Quotes are just what people said. They are not debating or trying to convince anyone about anything they are just quotes. Your the one trying to persuade I just quoted Einstein and that's it. Now I am caught in the web of paranoia that it might be a supernatural conspiracy. lol.

I'm assuming the bold was speaking towards me? If not then this post i'm making right now is incorrect so you can just disregard it hehe. If it is to me then i'm assuming it was in response to...

Originally Posted by Sandform

Sorry I guess he deleted his post since there is no one in between your original quotes and your second post besides me heh. I just don't like quotes that try to persuade people into believing that other people held beliefs contrary to what they actually believed.

Which was in response to...

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Sandform I wasn't talking to you. I was responding to the other paranoid guy. I don't think supernatural anything. I was just quoting Einstein. What's the big deal....Words like god and religion existed way before Einstein mentioned them. It's something you will have to deal with.

Which would have been in response too...

Originally Posted by Sandform

Um I wasn't saying he didn't say it... I don't know how you got that out of what I said. I said most of the "quotes" people use for him are taken out of context and used to facilitate lies. You see, there is this whole thing where Einstein had a different definition for "religion" and "God."

You see, a quote normally goes like this.


So and so is speaking.

Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence. QOUTE. Long contrived sentence. Long contrived sentence.

Normally there is this HUGE important detail in the long contrived sentences lol.

Your failure to understand that when Einstein used words like religion and God he wasn't speaking about a supernatural concept is funny.

The reason I made the response was because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE EXCEPT FOR ME WHO RESPONDED TO YOUR ORIGINAL POST before you said...

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Oh ok, It's not Einstein who said it. Who is it then Pinocchio? They are Einstein quotes so just deal with it. If it wasn't Einstein I would not quote it. It's not my fault if you don't like the quotes.

Which would have had to be in response too...

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol go ahead and not read the actual quotes there
[that] aren't taken out of context...

Has it ever occurred to you that since Einstein spoke German that not only could some of the translations be wrong...but that snippets of a long long run of statements can be used as propaganda?

Cite where the qoutes come from, and from the entire document or lecture, or interviews came from or don't qoute them at all. At least not in this thread.

Unless there was someone else who posted something and deleted it (not you).

ChaybaChayba exactly, besides, I just quoted Einstein and look who freaked out because it had the word god in it and refused to believe that it was proper quotes from Einstein. And then they say they are not religious but that is exactly the most religious extreme thing anyone has done on this forum.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

ChaybaChayba exactly, besides, I just quoted Einstein and look who freaked out because it had the word god in it and refused to believe that it was proper quotes from Einstein. And then they say they are not religious but that is exactly the most religious extreme thing anyone has done on this forum.

You mean to say to ask that qoutes be placed in their proper context so that someone can't take it out of context is to be religiously extreme?


Your the one who jumped to the conclusion that I was saying they were false qoutes, and that I was calling you a male...

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol go ahead and not read the actual quotes there aren't taken out of context...

Has it ever occurred to you that since Einstein spoke German that not only could some of the translations be wrong...but that snippets of a long long run of statements can be used as propaganda?

Cite where the qoutes come from, and from the entire document or lecture, or interviews came from or don't qoute them at all. At least not in this thread.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Oh ok, It's not Einstein who said it. Who is it then Pinocchio? They are Einstein quotes so just deal with it. If it wasn't Einstein I would not quote it. It's not my fault if you don't like the quotes.

I qoute being "wrong" is not the same as being "false."

haha. It's not my fault you think the word god is not in context though. It's very simple quotes from Einstein were posted and you didn't believe it. Now build a bridge and get over it. No-one cares it's a waste of time trying to argue.

Originally Posted by skysaw

It's not whether or not Einstein said them (and I believe he did), but that we have no larger context within which to understand what he was getting at.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

ChaybaChayba exactly, besides, I just quoted Einstein and look who freaked out because it had the word god in it and refused to believe that it was proper quotes from Einstein.

Way to keep your streak going.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lol go ahead and not read the actual quotes there aren't taken out of context...

Has it ever occurred to you that since Einstein spoke German that not only could some of the translations be wrong...but that snippets of a long long run of statements can be used as propaganda?

Cite where the qoutes come from, and from the entire document or lecture, or interviews came from or don't qoute them at all. At least not in this thread.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

haha. It's not my fault you think the word god is not in context though. It's very simple quotes from Einstein were posted and you didn't believe it. Now build a bridge and get over it. No-one cares it's a waste of time trying to argue.

Freaking A Minerva. I'm not saying it IS taken out of context. There is no context IN the fucking qoutes. SOMEONE can take a qoute out of context if you don't provide it.

Normally when someone says "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details" people are going to assume a context refering to a conscious creating God. I don't because I know what Einstein actually has said before, but that doesn't mean that I want you spouting it so that other people can misinterpret it.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

haha. It's not my fault you think the word god is not in context though. It's very simple quotes from Einstein were posted and you didn't believe it. Now build a bridge and get over it. No-one cares it's a waste of time trying to argue.

I would like to add that is a lie. YOU thought I didn't believe it. I said it needed to be put in context.

Context being that A lots of the things he said are translated from German, and B that during a series of long statements, snippets can be used out of context as propaganda.

haha you guys are funny.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

haha you guys are funny.

Really... I suppose it is funny when you (Minerva) provide qoutes to be taken out of context.

You know, and then you (Minerva) lie about what people say...

and then you (Minerva) continue on with that lie even after people tell you what they are actually saying...

Yeah it is real funny when we get upset with your constant lies about what we are saying.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

ChaybaChayba exactly, besides, I just quoted Einstein and look who freaked out because it had the word god in it and refused to believe that it was proper quotes from Einstein. And then they say they are not religious but that is exactly the most religious extreme thing anyone has done on this forum.

Yeah same here. I quoted Einstein on God and Sandform decided to make this thread to get rid of all the confusion... the only one who is confused is Sandform tbh. Thinking God is a fairy

It's not our fault you hate the context. A quote is just a quote. The context is up to your own intelligence to interpret the meaning of it.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Yeah same here. I quoted Einstein on God and Sandform decided to make this thread to get rid of all the confusion... the only one who is confused is Sandform tbh. Thinking God is a fairy

I don't think God exists actually...

I tend to not label things such as existence with the word God...see I call existence existence, and not something that can be confused by the use of supernatural deities.

You call existence God becuase you need a sense of support, and the word itself is revered as a spiritual feeling. Because of this you get a fake fix from calling the universe God.