Thread: Why Obama shall win;

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I have already explained it repeatedly, but here is your answer any way... No, but it means you don't hate atheists and are not serious about going to war against atheists.



Only one of the Bin Ladens is a terrorist, and he is despised by his family.



What does my atheism have to do with anything? Obama went to an extreme America-hating church. I have explained this in other threads, but I will say it here too. Kharmically connecting two completely unrelated events by the will of God is a supportive statement of the second event. Considering such a kharmic condoning of a terrible tragedy, the fact that the actors of the first event and the victims of the second event are entirely different people and connected only by nationality shows that his comment was an expression of hate for their nation. Reverend Wright hates the United States and believes innocent Americans are morally due terrible things from God because just because they are Americans. Obama went to that messed up church for twenty years. That is a major problem.



Of course he is. Do you honestly think he is not?



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Where is your proof that this sermon happened every week for the last 20 years? He left that church clarifying he does not believe with what they preach in the church. So if my priest suddenly said something extremist, I'm extremist? What if it was the first extremist thing he said in 20 years?..

If you can show me multiple tape recordings of extremist sermons before the Reverend Wright incident, I will believe you.

“And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.”

That is a quote from Barrack Obama. Does it sound extremist?

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

Where is your proof that this sermon happened every week for the last 20 years? He left that church clarifying he does not believe with what they preach in the church. So if my priest suddenly said something extremist, I'm extremist? What if it was the first extremist thing he said in 20 years?..

I didn't say Wright said it for twenty years. I said Wright is an anti-American extremist and that Barack was his extremely close friend and went to his church for twenty years. The sermon did not exactly happen just a few weeks ago. It was shown on Fox News more than a year ago. But Obama kept going to church there, and he kept going there even after the controversy erupted this past March. He did not quit going to that church until after weeks of seeing that the controversy was not going to go away. Also, did you see what I wrote about how the congregation reacted to Wright and Pfleger? Do you want to argue that Obama went to a church where people think and feel in such extreme terms and never realized it? Is it a coincidence that so many people in that church reacted to those sermons the way they did? They just coincidentally turned out to happen to be extremists too? Please answer that for me.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

“And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.”

That is a quote from Barrack Obama. Does it sound extremist?

It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

According to various sources,

Hillary & Obama In Secret Bilderberg Rendezvous
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...lary_obama.htm




Campaign spokespeople refuse to disclose location of meeting, but reports admit Democratic candidates convened at "an event in Northern Virginia"

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, June 6, 2008

According to news reports, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton went out of their way to hold their long-awaited private meeting in a very specific location - not at Hillary's mansion in Washington - but in Northern Virginia, which also just happens to be the scene of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting.

Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs told the media that Obama and Clinton held a private meeting last night but he refused to disclose where it taken place, except that it was not at Clinton's home in Washington, as had been widely reported. Hillary campaign managers also refused to disclose the location of the rendezvous.

"Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane," reports the Associated Press. -- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...3j3dwD914B1O00

Dulles just happens to be walking distance from the Westfields Marriott hotel in Chantilly where Henry Kissinger, David Rockfeller and the rest of the Bilderberg globalists are convening.

Asked at the time about the Illinois senator's whereabouts, Gibbs smiled and declined to comment," the reports adds.

What is the only political "event" taking place in Northern Virginia at the moment? The Bilderberg Group meeting of course. Rather than taking the easier option of meeting at Clinton's Washington mansion, Obama and Hillary went out of their way to grace the Bilderberg elitists with their presence.

The neo-liberal website Wonkette, which had previously ridiculed "conspiracy theorists" for ascribing power to Bilderberg, seemed to take a somewhat different tone when it made the connection between Obama and Hillary's meeting and the Bilderberg Group.

"Guess who had a very private talky-talk in (maybe) romantic Northern Virginia tonight, probably at the Bilderberg Group meeting in Chantilly? Your Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton!," states the blog. -- http://wonkette.com/400268/hillary-b...erg-date-night "They really met and talked, in private, Thursday night. And really, it sounds like they did this at that creepy Bilderberg Group meeting, which is happening now, and which is so secret that nobody will admit they’re going, even though everybody who is anybody goes to Bilderberg."

To have the potential future President and Vice-President of America attend a conference that debunkers have dismissed as a mere talking shop for old white men once again underscores the real influence that Bilderberg enjoys.

Not one U.S. corporate media outlet has made the connection between the location of the Bilderberg Group conference this year and Obama and Hillary's decision to venture out to Chantilly for their confidential "tet a tet".

Not one U.S. corporate media outlet has yet uttered one word about 125 of the world's most influential power brokers meeting behind closed doors to discuss the future of the planet on U.S. soil - while being met by the probable future President of the United States.

Both Hillary and Obama have deep rooted connections to the Bilderberg elitists.

Bill Clinton attended the 1991 meeting in Germany shortly before becoming President and he attended again in 1999 when the conference was held in Sintra, Portugal (despite Clinton's lie that he had not attended in 15 years).

Hillary herself was rumored to have attended the 2006 meeting in Ottawa, Canada. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ntonattend.htm

As we reported last month, Bilderberg luminary and top corporate elitist James A. Johnson will select Democratic candidate Barack Obama's running mate for the 2008 election and in turn potentially act as kingmaker for America's future President. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...g_luminary.htm

Johnson also selected John Kerry's running mate John Edwards in 2004 after Edwards had impressed Bilderberg elitists Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller with a speech he gave at the globalist confab in Italy that year. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...erformance.htm

Johnson, who attended last year's Bilderberg meeting in Turkey, is a representative for Friends of Bilderberg, an offshoot group that organizes Bilderberg's annual meeting.

Hillary and Obama's attendance of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting, and the complete failure of the mainstream media to report on the fact, once again betrays the super-secretive nature and influential reputation that the 54-year-old organization still maintains.

Originally Posted by Hercuflea

According to various sources,

Hillary & Obama In Secret Bilderberg Rendezvous

Damn. We could have gotten BOTH of them with one strike. Talk about missed opportunities.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I didn't say Wright said it for twenty years. I said Wright is an anti-American extremist and that Barack was his extremely close friend and went to his church for twenty years. The sermon did not exactly happen just a few weeks ago. It was shown on Fox News more than a year ago. But Obama kept going to church there, and he kept going there even after the controversy erupted this past March. He did not quit going to that church until after weeks of seeing that the controversy was not going to go away. Also, did you see what I wrote about how the congregation reacted to Wright and Pfleger? Do you want to argue that Obama went to a church where people think and feel in such extreme terms and never realized it? Is it a coincidence that so many people in that church reacted to those sermons the way they did? They just coincidentally turned out to happen to be extremists too? Please answer that for me.



It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

You are saying he is an extremist because Obama had an extremist pastor. I provided you with a paragraph that showed he wasn't extremist.

He messed up big time. I'm going to admit that, but he dissociated himself from the church, became unaffiliated with Wright, and he will not lose the elections based on this..

Wright's speech-

“[The United States] government lied about their belief that all men were created equal. The truth is they believed that all white men were created equal. The truth is they did not even believe that white women were created equal, in creation nor civilization. The government had to pass an amendment to the Constitution to get white women the vote. Then the government had to pass an equal rights amendment to get equal protection under the law for women. The government still thinks a woman has no rights over her own body, and between Uncle Clarence [Thomas], who sexually harassed Anita Hill, and a closeted Klan court, that is a throwback to the 19th century, handpicked by Daddy Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, between Clarence and that stacked court, they are about to un-do Roe vs. Wade, just like they are about to un-do affirmative action. The government lied in its founding documents and the government is still lying today. Governments lie.”

“The government lied about Pearl Harbor too. They knew the Japanese were going to attack. Governments lie. The government lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. They wanted that resolution to get us in the Vietnam War. Governments lie. The government lied about Nelson Mandela and our CIA helped put him in prison and keep him there for 27 years. The South African government lied on Nelson Mandela. Governments lie."

"The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, ‘Let me make myself perfectly clear…’ Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.”

“The government lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq being a threat to the United States peace. And guess what else? If they don’t find them some weapons of mass destruction, they gonna do just like the LAPD, and plant the some weapons of mass destruction. Governments lie.”

"And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness....[13] The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that's in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."

You take one part of this whole speech, and judge upon it. His whole point was.. Governments lie, and that African Americans aren't treated with the best interest. Who doesn't agree with that? FOX news, and you blow it way out of proportion.

Hey, if Obama learned anything from that sermon, it was that he's not gonna lie when in government. His issue is with the government, not the nation. Please don't tell me this isn't the only guy who is pissed after George Bush's joke of a presidency.

I have repeated myself more today than any other day I have been on this site. (It's not just to you.) Please read my responses this time. All you did was repeat yourself, so that is what I will do in return. These are my responses.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Kharmically connecting two completely unrelated events by the will of God is a supportive statement of the second event. Considering such a kharmic condoning of a terrible tragedy, the fact that the actors of the first event and the victims of the second event are entirely different people and connected only by nationality shows that his comment was an expression of hate for their nation. Reverend Wright hates the United States and believes innocent Americans are morally due terrible things from God because just because they are Americans. Obama went to that messed up church for twenty years. That is a major problem.

TWENTY YEARS

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It sounds like a politician talking out of his ass. Would you like to see some Ted Haggard videos where he spoke against homosexuality and drugs?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I have repeated myself more today than any other day I have been on this site. (It's not just to you.) Please read my responses this time. All you did was repeat yourself, so that is what I will do in return. These are my responses.



TWENTY YEARS

and the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness....

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

Talk shit, get hit.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

That was ALL true. He hates America? Or he hates what its done? Hates the nation or hates what its done?

The nation, as I explained. 9/11 victims did not bomb Japan, God oriented kharma connection based purely on nationality, etc. See previous posts. Somebody who doesn't hate the country itself would throw in at least a few positive things, since they too are true, and he would say something like, "Certain government officials had some bad policies in the past, and I am glad our government does not do those things now." I am part Indian, and you will not catch me saying anything like, "She screwed me over." I don't think like that. I know that we lead the world in very important humanitarian areas, and I acknowledge it. I see the very good and the individuality that exist in this country. Wright sees neither. He hates this country.

We are talking about Barack Obama's 20 year plummer mail man class mate cashier bar tender PREACHER.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The nation, as I explained. 9/11 victims did not bomb Japan, God oriented kharma connection based purely on nationality, etc. See previous posts. Somebody who doesn't hate the country itself would throw in at least a few positive things, since they too are true, and he would say something like, "Certain government officials had some bad policies in the past, and I am glad our government does not do those things now." I am part Indian, and you will not catch me saying anything like, "She screwed me over." I don't think like that. I know that we lead the world in very important humanitarian areas, and I acknowledge it. I see the very good and the individuality that exist in this country. Wright sees neither. He hates this country.

We are talking about Barack Obama's 20 year plummer mail man class mate cashier bar tender PREACHER.

This is already solved, nobody is going to look back at this, it was a preach, a direct attack, a ramble, its called an extremist!
He is talking about America's flaws! Thats its not perfect? Tell me, has or does the government lie?!

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

November.

What about November? We have been debating Obama's morals and dedication to his country in this thread, not whether he will win the election. That is a separate issue. But on that issue, yeah, November.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What about November? We have been debating Obama's morals and dedication to his country in this thread, not whether he will win the election. That is a separate issue. But on that issue, yeah, November.

This is already solved, nobody is going to look back at this, it was a preach, a direct attack, a ramble, its called an extremist!
He is talking about America's flaws! Thats its not perfect? Tell me, has or does the government lie?!

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

This is already solved, nobody is going to look back at this, it was a preach, a direct attack, a ramble, its called an extremist!
He is talking about America's flaws! Thats its not perfect? Tell me, has or does the government lie?!

Sometimes people in the government lie. Are you going to counter the specific points I made?

I think he probably just isn't a religous man. He just went through the motions and showed up to church each week, because hes 'supposed' to. He probably never changed churches because it was to much trouble to bother finding a new one, and he probably never listened to the person anyway.

Possibly he knew other important people who went to the church and he used it to network with them, and make political friends.

Originally Posted by Alric

I think he probably just isn't a religous man. He just went through the motions and showed up to church each week, because hes 'supposed' to. He probably never changed churches because it was to much trouble to bother finding a new one, and he probably never listened to the person anyway.

Possibly he knew other important people who went to the church and he used it to network with them, and make political friends.

A person who has a major problem with anti-Americanism will not be a member of a church like that for twenty years one way or the other.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

A person who has a major problem with anti-Americanism will not be a member of a church like that for twenty years one way or the other.

Yes. There are plenty of nice harmless churches around that focus on community service and stuff like that. Especially if you're a politician, why join a church that has an anti-American megalomaniac as a pastor and racist core tenets? Unless you feel positive about it...

If I was American, I probably wouldn't vote at all this year. Douche and Turd.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Yes. There are plenty of nice harmless churches around that focus on community service and stuff like that. Especially if you're a politician, why join a church that has an anti-American megalomaniac as a pastor and racist core tenets? Unless you feel positive about it...

Yeah, for real.

Originally Posted by Korittke

If I was American, I probably wouldn't vote at all this year. Douche and Turd.

Douche is a little less disgusting, and that is what McCain is. I am so tired of how much the political candidates suck every presidential election. The Democratic and Republican nominee both suck really bad every election. I sometimes wonder if they are really the same party and getting their kicks by giving us awful candidates. I mean... Bob Dole? That had to have been a practical joke. George W. Bush? They must have been thinking, "Let's go get somebody who talks like a studdering first grader having trouble reading Dick and Jane to the class." I don't think Bush is an idiot, but a president needs to be an incredible speaker. If Bush had top notch communication skills, I don't think he would be so hated. On top of that, he has some really stupid policies. Then what do the Democrats have? John Kerry? Straight off the used car lot. I don't fathom how anybody could miss that. Bill Clinton? Straight off the used car lot, except probably the used car dealership employee of the month every month for ten years. There are plenty of worth a shit people out there. I can't believe the parties won't nominate them.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Sometimes people in the government lie. Are you going to counter the specific points I made?

The nation, as I explained. 9/11 victims did not bomb Japan, God oriented kharma connection based purely on nationality, etc. See previous posts. Somebody who doesn't hate the country itself would throw in at least a few positive things, since they too are true, and he would say something like, "Certain government officials had some bad policies in the past, and I am glad our government does not do those things now." I am part Indian, and you will not catch me saying anything like, "She screwed me over." I don't think like that. I know that we lead the world in very important humanitarian areas, and I acknowledge it. I see the very good and the individuality that exist in this country. Wright sees neither. He hates this country.

We are talking about Barack Obama's 20 year plummer mail man class mate cashier bar tender PREACHER.

He never said 9/11 victims bombed Japan..

Its called a preach. He isn't going to list all the negatives and positives, its a direct attack on a certain subject.

He wasn't saying he was black and that America screwed him over, he is pointing out fallacies the country has made, and that it continues to make mistakes. How can you judge a person based on 2 sentences he made on a speech? And to go further than that and judge a person on a couple sentences his preacher made. It is nonsensical. Read the 500 word speech he made.

Whats even more is that you don't combat any of his political statures. You only argue on this one point. You don't argue on foreign policy, economic, and the vast amount of different issues, which are clearly more important than this misinterpreted incident.

Again, certain people in the government did bad things in the past. I said that is true. I have Indian ancestors who really got screwed. That does not mean the country itself did it. I sure as Hell didn't do it. Nobody I know did. He talks as though the country is one mind that owned slaves and screwed over Indians and is still the same mind. It is an illogical perspective. That is why his bizarre kharmic connection between Hiroshima and 9/11 victims was irrational and hateful against the country itself.

Also, again, watch how the audience reacts. That proves that Obama went to an anti-American extremist church for twenty years, which illustrates what kind of mentality he has, which illustrates how he will act on the issues. Do you see the connection?

Yeah, I have to agree there. Countries don't do things, individuals do. It's funny when in the interviews pastor Wright doesn't understand the fallacy with which he is looking at social groups as a whole. He's like "[No, it's not racist that our blacks-only church is exclusively for the good of black people, black family, black education, black Christianity. Don't you know anything about black theology? Don't you know that Christianity originated among blacks in Africa, blablabla. The only reason we have to do this is because the whole society is based on white supremacy and black oppression, blablabla]". Then he doesn't get that individuals aren't responsible for the actions of individuals who happened to live within the same geographical borders some previous time. He's a goddamn collectivist, I HATE collectivists. I'd really like to know what percentage level of blackness you need to have to be admitted to that racist whorehouse.

I mean, "black value system, black family, black work ethic, pledge to support black institutions"? You have to be shitting me. You can only get scholarships for Black universities. And so on. This was officially in there when Obama joined. It's absolutely ridonculous.

Originally Posted by Korittke

He's a goddamn collectivist, I HATE collectivists.

That is exactly my problem with him. He takes groups of people who have nothing to do with each other except race, nationality, etc. and treats them as a single team in which all of the team members are accountable for the actions of all of the other members. That is precisely the mentality at the root of racism, anti-nationalism, and all kinds of other terrible things. People who do not understand the concept of individuality are dangerous.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

A person who has a major problem with anti-Americanism will not be a member of a church like that for twenty years one way or the other.

Who said he had a major problem with anti-americanism? Thats just political stuff. He probably went there for appearance sake, and didn't give a damn what the preacher said, one way or the other. If hes anti american, what does obama care?

Tons of people go to church simply because they are 'suppose' to. Lets assume he is one of them. What does he gain from leaving the church? Nothing. Sure he doesn't have to listen to the man anymore, but he never really listed to him anyway. What does he gain for telling the man to stop, or standing up for america? Not much, hes going to preach what he wants and obama isn't going to stop him. The only real gain in this situation is to sit back and just ignore it, it makes things easy.

To me this doesn't make him look bad in anyway. What it does show me, is that he is the kind of person who just goes with the flow, and doesn't like to rock the boat. How does that relate to how he would run the country? Well hes always promoting, change! He isn't going to change anything, its to much work. 20 years he just went with the flow, why do you think he is going to stir up stuff now? Then again, I already knew he had no plans to change anything. He has never spoken about real changes before, so if your paying attention its obvious. So this just tells me what I already knew, and isn't a big deal.

Then that just expands on he's a dumbass.

If you are running for president, and you do not consider that everything aobut you will be scrutinized, then you, sir, are stupid.

Originally Posted by Alric

Who said he had a major problem with anti-americanism?

Definitely not me.