Thread: History of the Aryan bloodline...what you were never meant to know.

The orbits of the inner 4 planets would not be at stable as they are now if at any time in the past there had been a planet on a highly elliptical orbit with enough mass to tear our world up and form the moon. It just wouldn't happen. You can download very simple software that runs the simulations in black and white (I think there's even a youtube video somewhere of it). The entrance of a large planet would have flung the inner solar system apart irreparably.

As for the rest of your Moon hypothesis...

Origins of the Moon

Giant Impact hypothesis
The prevailing hypothesis today is that the Earth–Moon system formed as a result of a giant impact. A Mars-sized body (labelled "Theia") is believed to have hit the proto-Earth, blasting sufficient material into orbit around the proto-Earth to form the Moon through accretion. As accretion is the process by which all planetary bodies are believed to have formed, giant impacts are thought to have affected most if not all planets. Computer simulations modelling a giant impact are consistent with measurements of the angular momentum of the Earth–Moon system, as well as the small size of the lunar core. Unresolved questions regarding this theory concern the determination of the relative sizes of the proto-Earth and Theia and of how much material from these two bodies formed the Moon.

I believe I've read in the past that tests done on the moon soil by astronauts in the 70's confirm it's age relative to the Earth, and the low iron content of its core gives credence to the theory that the moon is a large blasted off chunk of our outer mantle.

I never know exactly how to respond in debates like this. It is difficult to tell someone that the myth they believe in is incorrect. On the one hand, it is not translated correctly, so it is not representative of what people originally came up with 3,000 years ago. It is just a story some guy made up in the 70s to support his theory.

On the other hand, it is still a myth. It just happens to be written a lot later than the "translator" claims it was. If you were going to believe this whole wacky theory because of a myth in the first place, I guess you don't really care if it was written B.C.E. or last month.

If you like the story, believe away. Telling you your science is impossible, or your history is fiction will not stop you. But do not claim that you are just "reporting these facts." You are believing these lies, and spreading them. Don't claim to be impartial.

Go to
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm
To get a handle on how huge of a lie this all is.

Also, if you are interested in ancient history or research of any kind, it would do you some good to take some time to learn how to do real research. Jeff, it seems like you really like doing this sort of thing. You should definitely take some time to learn how to do real research from primary sources, check your facts and sources, get help from real experts, ect. You could put your time, interest, and talent to some real use helping us learn more about where we came from.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I believe I've read in the past that tests done on the moon soil by astronauts in the 70's confirm it's age relative to the Earth, and the low iron content of its core gives credence to the theory that the moon is a large blasted off chunk of our outer mantle.

There was actually a show over it too that even showed where it more than likely hit the Earth and everything. I think it was the Pacific Ocean? I'm not sure though. It was an Ocean I'm pretty sure.

What I was thinking though is if that planet would have came that close to Earth to hit it, the gravitational pull of both planets would have made the collision worse and I doubt we'd even have a planet now. But, I'm not a scientist.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

There was actually a show over it too that even showed where it more than likely hit the Earth and everything. I think it was the Pacific Ocean? I'm not sure though. It was an Ocean I'm pretty sure.

What I was thinking though is if that planet would have came that close to Earth to hit it, the gravitational pull of both planets would have made the collision worse and I doubt we'd even have a planet now. But, I'm not a scientist.

It really depends on the angle and momentum of each planet....

Earth is revolving at a speed of, if I can recall accurately, 67,000 mph.
Then the rotation speed.

Factor both of these together...and then your scenario changes.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

There was actually a show over it too that even showed where it more than likely hit the Earth and everything. I think it was the Pacific Ocean? I'm not sure though. It was an Ocean I'm pretty sure.

There was no water at all on the surface of the Earth at the time of the impact. Also, the Pacific is only a few tens of millions of years old, not billions. Oceans form and disappear all the time. The Earth has had not one, but half a dozen Pangaea-type supercontinents since the crust formed some 4 billion years ago.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

What I was thinking though is if that planet would have came that close to Earth to hit it, the gravitational pull of both planets would have made the collision worse and I doubt we'd even have a planet now. But, I'm not a scientist.

You're not a scientist. This impact idea was borne out of simulations involving gravity, not despite gravity. If the scientific community adopts some sort of theory, it's only because it's been verified to be a very good approximation to the truth. Frankly, for someone who clearly has exactly zero scientific knowledge to come in and dispute a theory with decades of research by real scientists put into it with some idiotic comment that the astronomers might have forgotten to include GRAVITY in their calculations is something I find insulting as both an undergrad scientist and a human.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

You're not a scientist. This impact idea was borne out of simulations involving gravity, not despite gravity. If the scientific community adopts some sort of theory, it's only because it's been verified to be a very good approximation to the truth. Frankly, for someone who clearly has exactly zero scientific knowledge to come in and dispute a theory with decades of research by real scientists put into it with some idiotic comment that the astronomers might have forgotten to include GRAVITY in their calculations is something I find insulting as both an undergrad scientist and a human.

LOLOLOL. Way to totally ignore the last sentence in my statement you replied to.

Lol Justin...that is like saying...

*somethiing ludicrious* but it is ok I don't know what I'm talking about...

Well considering they said Nibru was the planet that hit Earth to make the moon, and Nibru was inhabited by the "aliens" at that time, wouldn't the impact screw Nibru's habitat up? Like destroy life on it from the impact, create some massive cloud of dust and debris all over the planet, etc. etc. and kill the lifeforms off?

Wow...who is they? Not the common consensus of scientists in high regard...Lol.

You lost me when you put in aliens on nibru.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Wow...who is they? Not the common consensus of scientists in high regard...Lol.

You lost me when you put in aliens on nibru.

Jeff777 and Naiya or whatever talking about Nibru colliding with earth to form the moon.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Jeff777 and Naiya or whatever talking about Nibru colliding with earth to form the moon.

I don't know what crap those guys believe, but the scientists say a Mars-sized planetoid hit the Earth and was destroyed in the process, back before Earth had life at all, or even a crust.

I must have missed that part lol.

This thread just gave me the coolest idea for my next lucid dream:

Cause the 10th planet to come so close to earth, that I can jump onto it with my uber lucid jumping skills. Then see what I find.

If this planet did collide with the earth, forming our moon, I think it would be extremely difficult for any life to survive on either planet. Another thing that throws a screw into the gears of life on the 10th planet, is that the orbit is so huge that it comes closer to the sun than us, then goes further than pluto. Wouldn't that cause extreme temperature fluctuation's?

An easy answer could be to suppose that these extreme temperature fluctuations just lead to some extreme evolution of the life on that planet. Perhaps that planet just has 750 earth year long seasons and any life on it adapted accordingly just as life on our planet adapted to our 365 day year. And if this race of aliens had technologically progressed enough by the time of the collision, it is possible for them to seek refuge from the impact in their space ships.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I don't know what crap those guys believe, but the scientists say a Mars-sized planetoid hit the Earth and was destroyed in the process, back before Earth had life at all, or even a crust.

Yeah, I already knew that. They did have a show about the thing I said about it coming from the Pacific Ocean, but it was the theory of how Earth spun so fast that it threw it out. It's been proven false since then.

They were talking about the story about Nibru how it came close to Earth and hit it to make the moon, Nibru at the time had life on the planet. I think if two planets came into contact with each other and all that fun jazz something catastrophic would happen and kill the lifeforms off, as in the impact creating a massive cloud of dust, or what have you, and blocking the sun causing plants to die and eventually all life to die.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I must have missed that part lol.

It's at the top of page 6.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

This thread just gave me the coolest idea for my next lucid dream:

Cause the 10th planet to come so close to earth, that I can jump onto it with my uber lucid jumping skills. Then see what I find.

If this planet did collide with the earth, forming our moon, I think it would be extremely difficult for any life to survive on either planet. Another thing that throws a screw into the gears of life on the 10th planet, is that the orbit is so huge that it comes closer to the sun than us, then goes further than pluto. Wouldn't that cause extreme temperature fluctuation's?

An easy answer could be to suppose that these extreme temperature fluctuations just lead to some extreme evolution of the life on that planet. Perhaps that planet just has 750 earth year long seasons and any life on it adapted accordingly just as life on our planet adapted to our 365 day year. And if this race of aliens had technologically progressed enough by the time of the collision, it is possible for them to seek refuge from the impact in their space ships.

Yeah, I watched on discovery (I think it was) about how if a massive meteorite hit Earth, for the people that would survive the impact, they'd eventually die because a huge cloud of dust would cover the entire Earth and block the sun causing plants to die and then eventually all life. So a planet hitting Earth would bring the same ending, I'd think. As for the Nibru aliens seeking refuge in their spaceships, they apparently never did because they stayed away from Earth until it was safe to come back down to Earth to collect gold to help with their air problems on Nibru.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

As for the Nibru aliens seeking refuge in their spaceships, they apparently never did because they stayed away from Earth until it was safe to come back down to Earth to collect gold to help with their air problems on Nibru.

I think they'd be more apt to return to their own planet after such a catastrophe to assess the damage rather than let their home planet fly off into space. If they were so advanced, they must've known about Earth's orbit prior to the collision so they could return to it if need be.

I think that this same collision that formed the Earth's moon, is also the cause to their atmospheric crisis. Having collided with Earth, another planet, I'm sure they would look into what our planet is composed of sometime prior to the collision to get an idea as to what the damage might be. This inquiry has the potential to lead to their discovery of gold on our planet. Upon assessing the damage to their planet after a collision with our planet, and assuming that they are advanced enough for space travel, they probably kept in mind what Earth had for resources in order to recover / rebuild their planet. So when the need for gold arose, they knew exactly where they could find it.

Well considering their planet was screwed up and Earth wasn't, why not just stay on Earth?

The porported collision occurred when the Earth was only about 60 million years old. Single celled life didn't form on Earth until it was almost a billion years old. So there was no life for a dust cloud to disintegrate. The Earth probably didn't even have a crust yet, as it was a molten ball of rock for most of that early period. The Giant Impact Theory is that the proto-Earth basically swallowed up the other planetoid in the collision.

This fictional planet of Niburu wouldn't have just gone *BUMP* WHOOPS! and continued on its merry way back into far outer-orbit. This is orders of magnitude above ridiculous.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

Well considering their planet was screwed up and Earth wasn't, why not just stay on Earth?

I have a feeling that Earth would be just as screwed up, if not more so than their planet. Also, Niburu is their home planet. If some of them had to stay behind on the planet during the impact, I think they would return to at least check for survivors.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

This fictional planet of Niburu wouldn't have just gone *BUMP* WHOOPS! and continued on its merry way back into far outer-orbit. This is orders of magnitude above ridiculous.

I think if such a collision did occur, it would be more of a *SLAM-CRASH-BAM* OH SHIT! WTF DO WE DO NOW!!!! rather than just a *BUMP* WHOOPS!

'Slam crash bam' does not lend itself to a planet flinging off into deep space again, only to return again 4.5 billion years later, then again 7,000 years after that.

What if it wasn't a full head on collision, but instead, the two planets collided like pool balls when trying to make a corner shot? That certainly lends itself to the 10th planet flinging off into space again. Granted even such a collision would still result in global disaster for both planets. I don't see why this couldn't happen.

One word: Inertia

Inertia is the resistance an object has to a change in its state of motion. The principle of inertia is one of the fundamental principles of classical physics which are used to describe the motion of matter and how it is affected by applied forces. Sir Isaac Newton defined inertia in Definition 3 of his Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, which states:[1]

The vis insita, or innate force of matter is a power of resisting, by which every body, as much as in it lies, endeavors to preserve in its present state, whether it be of rest, or of moving uniformly forward in a right line.

Two planet-sized objects don't just graze each other like a corner shot in pool. They collide fantastically, accelerated by gravity. It just couldn't happen. Not in 5 billion years, and not in 500 billion years.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

What if it wasn't a full head on collision, but instead, the two planets collided like pool balls when trying to make a corner shot? That certainly lends itself to the 10th planet flinging off into space again. Granted even such a collision would still result in global disaster for both planets. I don't see why this couldn't happen.

Even if it could happen, which doesn't seem to be the case given your description, that doesn't mean it did happen. You have absolutely no evidence to back up this ridiculous story, and some evidence against it. It's like saying Julius Caesar actually killed Brutus on the senate floor, because that could have happened, and you have a feeling.

Oh look what I just stumbled upon

Andromeda's Wake Q&A on Planet X returning in 2012 to destroy the Earth in a collision

Fast-forward to 7:23 for the Planet X part.

edit: Please Jeff, take up his challenge. I'm more than interested.