Thread: October 14, First Contact

Originally Posted by drewmandan

The fact is, the natural laws do cover the workings of the brain and do not allow for telepathy of any kind. And to think that there's even a chance of telepathy without some sort of technological intervention just shows an enormous ignorance of science and reality in general.

Never heard of quantum mechanics?

Yeah that was what I was going to say.

What the hell are radio waves? How is information able to float through the air and collected and processed by antennae? Not just sounds, but trillions of bits of information are flying all around you, all the time. Wireless internet is proof enough of that. Our brain is connected by neurons that don't touch. They send signals to each other that contain information like left, right, walk, run, etc. This is complex information consisting of nothing more than a tiny spark of energy between two neurons. If energy CAN contain information, it seems logical to me that it does typically. You project everything you think in the energy you give the world, and some people can collect this energy and process it, decode it the same way a radio decodes the airwaves.

You let natural laws constrict your reality, I let them give me a set of most likely outcomes to base my decisions upon. As far as my "perspective" is concerned, anything is possible.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Never heard of quantum mechanics?

Actually, I've studied quantum mechanics. Clearly, you have only studied "What the Bleep do We Know".

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

What the hell are radio waves? How is information able to float through the air and collected and processed by antennae? Not just sounds, but trillions of bits of information are flying all around you, all the time. Wireless internet is proof enough of that. Our brain is connected by neurons that don't touch. They send signals to each other that contain information like left, right, walk, run, etc. This is complex information consisting of nothing more than a tiny spark of energy between two neurons. If energy CAN contain information, it seems logical to me that it does typically. You project everything you think in the energy you give the world, and some people can collect this energy and process it, decode it the same way a radio decodes the airwaves.

First of all, the way neurons communicate is through ion exchange, not "sparks" or "radio waves". Neurons are not antennas.

See, what you're doing here is stupidly trying to use science to support your ridiculous assertions, and then reject that same science when it says that you're wrong. Yes, I am aware of radio communication. But no, neurons cannot receive or transmit radio waves (or whatever other stupid energy transfer medium you have in mind). Clearly you haven't studied neurons or electronics. A good working knowledge of either will show you how absurd these notions are. Now, until you agree to read a science textbook, this discussion is over.

/me reads a science textbook

Okay, if you're done beating the strawman, my real argument was not combining radiowaves and neurons, I was using two different examples to show you how information is transferred through space. And a spark is a laymen's term for an ion exchange. You still never addressed how it is possible for energy to consist of information.

Anyway, this thread is about October 14th! I like this video, personally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnHdR2GZ3a8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb029q4LJ_0

It's in two parts channeled through Zingdad from an extraterrestrial named Adamu. Quite a polite chap if you ask me, and his accent is pretty damn sexy, too.

Anyway, I like what he says you should tell others, if it is for realz, somehow in all it's infinite unlikeliness, at least because of these channelers we know it's peaceful and they're not here to hurt us. I think the only thing intended to take away from this is not to get your hopes up over more BS from psychics, but to understand this is a peaceful encounter, they're just taking a pit stop.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Yeah that was what I was going to say.

What the hell are radio waves? How is information able to float through the air and collected and processed by antennae? Not just sounds, but trillions of bits of information are flying all around you, all the time. Wireless internet is proof enough of that. Our brain is connected by neurons that don't touch. They send signals to each other that contain information like left, right, walk, run, etc. This is complex information consisting of nothing more than a tiny spark of energy between two neurons. If energy CAN contain information, it seems logical to me that it does typically. You project everything you think in the energy you give the world, and some people can collect this energy and process it, decode it the same way a radio decodes the airwaves.

You let natural laws constrict your reality, I let them give me a set of most likely outcomes to base my decisions upon. As far as my "perspective" is concerned, anything is possible.

isn't it amazing how we can look at reality, and box it up degrading it with our definitions and categories?

we make everything look so separate. I don't think enough people realize how universal energy is and how that relates to consciousness. or if you would like, information! not only do our neurons do not touch, but neither do our atoms. It's just easier to think of reality in terms of solids and non-solids, but our definitions to make reality easier to understand are actually getting in the way of really grasping it.

with that aside. the october 14 buzz has grown. people have already written angry hateful letters to blossom. and while the vast majority remain skeptical of anything, many admit they at least hope something does happen. I think that is fascinating, that most people are hoping something happens. I guess it shows humanity really wants answers, and is tired of myths and conspiracies and things being left in the dark. even with the economic crisis in america, people are just sick and tired of the state of affairs!! people today, probably more than ever, really want change.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Never heard of quantum mechanics?

Yes, and... ?

Responding to rhetoric with rhetoric isn't doing much.

Ominus makes some good points. True superpower telepathy may be impossible, but smaller forms of empathy and limited telepathy may be possible, although specifics are obviously anyone's guess. The brain is a very complex and adaptable organ, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to find out it could adapt to interpret the brainwaves of others. If electronic circuits can adapts to "jump" their logic by accidentally using logical circuits to create and transmit electromagnetic signals, I'm sure the brain can as well. (can't find a link, and wish I could, was in a Sciam about a year back maybe more - could have misread, but I'm pretty sure that was the case).

There's always the chance telepathy isn't really seen because the modern brain develops differently, constantly bombarded by non-telepathic senses to the point that its telepathic abilities wither to near nothingness. Or it doesn't exist, probably more likely. Even if it doesn't, I think it's plausible that it could at least.



Science isn't about ranting on how stupid ideas are, it's about exploring possibilities and the limits of knowledge. If you're going to be a science advocate, try to also adopt in your own behavior the open-mindedness and curiosity of your cause.

The whole idea of telepathy is actually a meaningless concept which reeks of dualism. What exactly do you mean by telepathy? Sending words to another person separated by space? We do that by speaking. So I guess you mean silently sending words to another person via the electromagnetic field? We do that by texting. Do you not want an external device involved? Well, what on Earth do you mean by external device? Our brain is a device just like any other. In the future perhaps we'll be able to wire up some kind of reciever directly to the neurons so that we don't have to look at anything, but really, what's the difference, and why would it be such an achievement?

Originally Posted by Xei

why would it be such an achievement?

Everyone wants to feel super...and ever since the beginning of intelligent people who had low knowledge stories have been sprung and lies have been spun. It would be an achievement because if you had telepathy you would feel like a super hero.

It's about as useful as a mobile phone.

Not sure about you but personally I don't feel like Superman when I get a phonecall.

Originally Posted by Xei

It's about as useful as a mobile phone.

Not sure about you but personally I don't feel like Superman when I get a phonecall.

...You might feel like superman if you could hear every conversation anyone ever had without them knowing...or hear every inner thought...or actually I would feel like a super hero if I didn't have to pay a phonebill...

But seriously that is why people want it so bad....but just like beauty or innate intelligence, it is only special if it isn't something everyone in the world has. This is why in most fictional stories about such feats(I don't necessarily know that I spelled that right at all) it is a "no body" who suddenly gains these "interesting" abilities and then becomes somebody because of them. I give you Matt from Heroes... Anyway, if everyone had it it would indeed be as dull as a phone call.

Mmmm I wouldn't be surprised if it was widely accessible in a decade or so. Neuroscience and computing are advancing pretty quick (that's where I'm headed btw), and the brain is remarkably plastic when it comes to just shoving an external device in your neural network.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Never heard of quantum mechanics?

Read up on what actual neuroscientists and philosophers think about quantum mechanics and it's relation to the brain. They all agree it is a very unlike silly 'last straw' for all the people that really really want there to be a soul or telepathy or whatever. It is not based on any evidence that quantum mechanics have any effect on the brain.

It's really an insult to the great minds of physics that actually research quantum mechanics that kids like you misuse it to back up any theory they want to believe, without even proper knowledge about it or evidence of a link between the two. You are just fucking the scientific method in the ass you fucking douchebag.

Roger Penrose, one of the great figures in theoretical physics, did advocate that quantum physics has an effect in the microtubules within neurons.

He's not a neuroscientist though, and his speculation has been discredited. Microtubules aren't involved in processing, and even then they are too large to be affected. The mind can hence be explained entirely by classical mechanics; quantum theory plays no part.

is it half empty or half full? perspective is everything

Should I call my friend Dave or David?

And now for the more pertinent question: who gives a shit?

A guy at my work knows about this, told him "i will be the first to screw an alien".

I got my dibs ready, you guys can go after for sloppy seconds.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

/me reads a science textbook

Okay, if you're done beating the strawman, my real argument was not combining radiowaves and neurons, I was using two different examples to show you how information is transferred through space. And a spark is a laymen's term for an ion exchange. You still never addressed how it is possible for energy to consist of information.

Anyway, this thread is about October 14th! I like this video, personally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnHdR2GZ3a8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb029q4LJ_0

It's in two parts channeled through Zingdad from an extraterrestrial named Adamu. Quite a polite chap if you ask me, and his accent is pretty damn sexy, too.

Anyway, I like what he says you should tell others, if it is for realz, somehow in all it's infinite unlikeliness, at least because of these channelers we know it's peaceful and they're not here to hurt us. I think the only thing intended to take away from this is not to get your hopes up over more BS from psychics, but to understand this is a peaceful encounter, they're just taking a pit stop.

Wow, that is a nice voice in an alien channeling kind of way. If i had an alien talking through me i would not mind this voice.

edit- part 2 of this at the start of it he says they "may" have to change the date but will they will be by before the end of the year. Lol, i guess the channelers needed to find a way out somehow incase it does not happen.

edit 2 - Now i hear they may come before the date... and there will be ships all over the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_6V6...eature=related

Now it is starting to sound like pure BS...not that it didn't already.

Edit 3 - There is a guy investigating this matter

http://bureauofstrangephenomena.yuku...pic/368?page=1

By the sounds of it this is fake. Includes 2 channelers wanting money for this, and a conversation with channeler adamu and some other stuff.

He said they may need to change the dates because they want to surprise the world leaders so they can't pre-empt anything because the world leaders will try to make it appear as an invasion.

Again and again people are trying to figure out if it's valid or not, which is why I like what this Adamu guy says, it doesn't matter if this is for real or not until the ship either shows up or doesn't. All that matters is if SOMEHOW the ship does show up, it's peaceful and you shouldn't buy the BS that we'll all get fed about it. That's why they're channeling this information to us, not to convince us channeling is for real but just so people are aware of their agenda if they show up. If a ship does show up, don't believe what your government tells you about it, believe what these channelers have said about it, that's all.

As mentioned in certain transcripts, you're not to believe in this prediction, simply be informed of it. This is not for the glorification of channelers, but for the spread of information. They don't care if the channelers are crazy or not just as long as they're getting the message across. They don't care if people believe it or not just as long as they know about it.

EDIT: By the way as far as criticism goes THIS GUY investigated it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwfiEXQQLMQ

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Actually, I've studied quantum mechanics. Clearly, you have only studied "What the Bleep do We Know".

See, what you're doing here is stupidly trying to use science to support your ridiculous assertions, and then reject that same science when it says that you're wrong.

Never actually seen that movie. Although I have read The Elegant Universe over a dozen times.

You're the one making ridiculous assumptions. I don't make up my mind about something one way or the other with insufficient information. That's just pig headed arrogance.

Originally Posted by Neruo

It's really an insult to the great minds of physics that actually research quantum mechanics that kids like you misuse it to back up any theory they want to believe, without even proper knowledge about it or evidence of a link between the two. You are just fucking the scientific method in the ass you fucking douchebag.

ANd yet more pig headed arrogance. Kid? Me? Calling people names from behind the safety of you computer is childish. Pray we never cross paths. I hope that recent ozone hole fries your sorry ass.

Seriously, who the hell is moderating this place?

Hang in there Jujora. There have been many before you who have tried to stand up the the ignorant of the world, and they all ended up walking away in disgust. It's only a matter of time before you fall as well, but at least you're trying.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Never actually seen that movie. Although I have read The Elegant Universe over a dozen times.

You're the one making ridiculous assumptions. I don't make up my mind about something one way or the other with insufficient information. That's just pig headed arrogance.

Pay no mind to drew, he likes trying to trump people in games of wit and making empty pathetic insults at the expense of his dignity. Quantum mechanics are not...he's still an arrogant pompous douche bag.

John McCain: "Straight Talk".

Oooooooh kay NOW I call BS officially. It took me a while, but as you can now all see, Omnius Deus has finally declared something as false.

First of all, now they're saying that the aliens will only come if the majority of people on earth believe/want them to come. Watch this two part video, it's Adamu's second chat session with us, he does it FDR style and I won't be surprised if he continues to greet us on a regular basis. They've got him painted up as a wise looking fellow with a long beard. If I had to pick my favorite evil alien, he'd be it. The problem is, they were getting us warmed up, and now they're bait and switching us with the same old story, enough people have to belieeeeve it for it to come true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkILXA6mR3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD5pfz5DePA

Aside from the bait and switch, these guys are now sounding like a stereotypical cult:

This is the second video created by Zingdad through MagentaPixie's channel. And I have to agree that what Adamu says in this video regarding the entire 10-14-2008 phenomenon are very close to my own outlook.

Before this video plays, I would like many of you to read this small statement from myself regarding the 10-14-08 prediction:

There are many of you who believe in the 10-14-08 date, and there are some of you who are in denial, and still in darkness surrounded by fear not wanting the ship to show up. The opinion poll on this site was placed here for a reason. And I am amazed by how many of you are in support of this prediction given by Blossom Goodchild. For those of you who are still in fear, who are corrupted by the feeling that betrayal is imminent if indeed such a phenomenon appears in October, or for those of you who just don't want to believe...I and Adamu both say this to you...You need to lighten up. This is a timeline you are able to bring into culmination, if you believe. You have the ability to step out of the darkness that foreshadows this world which encourages fear, greed, hate, anger and death. We are all good people at heart. We must all step out of the shadows of the unevolved. We are all here for a reason. All of us are extra terrestrial in origin and each of us have jumped at the chance to be here a long time ago. Rekindle your ability to bring yourself back to feeling the light that you once occupied. Overcome the unevolved nature of the dark workers and work to believe in something again. For if you do believe, you will prove to all the dark workers and skeptics, that we are not alone. That we have never been alone. And that this encounter will be exactly what it says it will be. A peaceful one. A peaceful encounter that will jumpstart our confidence in being our own self-saviors. This is what I attempt to get through to those who have not awoken or who are falsely guided towards beliefs of darkness. This will be a joyous time for humanity, but only you...Only each and every single one of you on this planet can make this happen...If you believe.

~Namaste
Brad Johnson

The very worst part is, if it IS true, then that means that it's actually the antichrist!

PLANETARY ALERT!

(taken from http://www.georgeka vassilas. org/)

"Messages From The Heart - July 2008

I George Kavassilas feel the need to clear the air in regards to statements I made in my DVD of the lecture at the Eternal Spirit in July 2004.

The Spiritual Hierarchy and Galactic Council of Light of which I am a part of is not the same as a group calling themselves the galactic federation of light.

You see the negative forces duplicate the true Hierarchy of Creation in order to deceive planetary populations. The more closely they can align themselves with the true Hierarchy the harder it is for planetary populations to discern, and therefore the easier it is for them to deceive.

This imposter group are currently imposing themselves on this planet by stealth and is fooling most of the ruling elite and governing bodies. They are using a particular faction within their empire, who is proficient at technology, genetic manipulation and mind control. The mid to higher levels of the empire will soon appear, rid the planet of this other faction and look like the good guys. They are the ones soon to be our so called saviours at a time of crisis, which is in the process of being orchestrated by them and will come into fruition over the next fear years, and yes they have their own version of the spiritual hierarchy including a Christ entity and all other major religious figures.

I know this because at times I too have been manipulated by them and my comments about boarding the ships at a time of crisis and the being lord sananda was one such time.

There will be a promise of ascension, their version of ascension, and relative to the despair that they wish to manifest globally, many will take to it like a young child takes to candy.

Also since my lecture in 2004 I've had the honour and the privilege on several occasions to have travelled into the 5th Dimension on this planet, into a realm known as Avalon or Shambhala. The real Avalon and Shambhala, not ET bases which are attempting to replicate these realms as well. The reason I say it's real is because I've been to both and one is based on technology and the other is pure clean Universal Consciousness.

It is the realm of the Divine Mother, our Earth Mother Sophia or Gaea, who is not incarnated out here in the matrix but has manifested a 5th Dimensional body in Avalon/Shambhala out of reach from the negative forces.

I felt honoured to be in the presence of the most graceful energy in this Universe. I attended meetings there but unfortunately I only remember a small fraction of the experience. I do remember a little of the environment and what it feels like to be in the 5th Dimension. Having such a point of reference is priceless and incredibly important with the coming deception and that is why I feel the need to share these understandings.

The connection one has in the false realm is on a mental level and communication occurs using a form of telepathy that stimulates and strokes the central nervous system giving the unsuspecting or in-experienced person the feeling of a benevolent presence and euphoria. This is what it feels like to be connected to an artificial intelligence posing as benevolence.

In contrast when a Being is connected to the pure clean Universal Consciousness all communication takes place beyond the mind. It becomes a resonance that emanates from the central core of your Being and permeates throughout the body. When Love and Knowledge are exchanged the complete understanding is conveyed including feelings and the ongoing ripple effect to all life as far as your Being wishes or requires to comprehend, and it all happens in an instant. The following is most of what I remember about our path towards ascension.

The Divine Mother will open at the appropriate time dimensional doorways all over her planetary body allowing those with `eyes to see and ears to hear' to walk through into sanctuary. These doorways or openings are symbolized by the Vesica-Piscis, there are a multitude of pictures through the ages showing Christ standing in or walking throughout the Vesica-Piscis doorway and is also the Fish of Christianity.

This symbol represents the Womb of The Mother, The Almond or in Greek the Amigdala, The Magdalene who of course was the incarnation of the Divine Mother Earth herself and twin flame of Ihsous (Jesus). It saddens me to think how our beloved Mary has been so tragically and systematically ridiculed, judged, persecuted and condemned over the past two millennia.

You see any energy, consciousness or Beings that wish to control this reality must first control the consciousness and energy that is this planet and reality. This planet being an aspect of our Divine Mother is why the feminine energies have been oppressed over the last few thousand years. Control the feminine, control the planet.

It is also imperative to understand that this abuse, oppression and control is only occurring because Mother Earth is allowing it. You see, she has courageously offered herself and sacrificed herself and well being in order to facilitate our ascension. A Mothers' Unconditional Love.

I adamantly assure you that in order to ascend one must first re-align and rebalance with the Divine Feminine. It is important to remember that we are ascending not separate from, but with our Divine Mother Earth. Yes the planet is ascending and she is carrying us all in her womb and is giving birth to a whole new version of Humanity. We are evolving from Homo-sapiens into Hu-Man. In Greek the word Homos means dirt/earth and sapieo means rotten. If we as a species continue
to function under the auspice of our lower animal consciousness of the Homo-Sapien then we will turn this Earth rotten. This is obviously now occurring but so is our metamorphosis into, and birthing of the true Hu-Man.

Hu meaning God and Man meaning Nous or Universal Mind, A Godly Being of Godly Mind.

Once we return to the sanctuary of the 5th Dimension, we will be safe from the cleansing process of the lower planetary dimensions and will also be re-united with our brothers and sisters in the light, including loved ones who have passed over and are eagerly awaiting to greet us and provide assistance for our re-adjustment to the 5th Dimension.

After inner peace is re-established and all celebrations have subsided preparations will then begin for our ascension into the Golden Age.

Love, Liberation & Fortitude
George Kavassilas"

hey omnius deus, I made a parallel discussion in the beyond dreaming for more in depth ideas concerning october 14 that would weird out this forum area

why not check out the interesting play between two channeled messages? one from the pleidians warning against aliens who promise salvation
and ashtar command, whose been known to offer it

btw, for the record. blossom is still saying october 14 and does not agree with other channelers about the date changing. I still say blossom is a believer in her own message considering how much she is putting on the line, this other guy, not so much

oh and, I think I'll be an alien for halloween! what do you think? one antenna or two?

Originally Posted by juroara

hey omnius deus, I made a parallel discussion in the beyond dreaming for more in depth ideas concerning october 14 that would weird out this forum area

why not check out the interesting play between two channeled messages? one from the pleidians warning against aliens who promise salvation
and ashtar command, whose been known to offer it

btw, for the record. blossom is still saying october 14 and does not agree with other channelers about the date changing. I still say blossom is a believer in her own message considering how much she is putting on the line, this other guy, not so much

oh and, I think I'll be an alien for halloween! what do you think? one antenna or two?

Halloween is to be abolished by our alien overlords, along with every other religious holiday. Besides, impersonating our alien overlords is punishable by death.

Originally Posted by Neruo

It's really an insult to the great minds of physics. . . .kids like you. . . .in the ass you fucking douchebag.

Talking about doing a disservice to the scientific community, have you seen a mirror lately? They're on sale for cheap at Walmart

Or don't address his points and just rant and insult people in the name of science without backing up anything you're saying. That's the scientific way of things.

Right?