Thread: And it Begins: RFIDs

Originally Posted by ninja9578

You people sound way to paranoid. RFIDs are a good thing, they will allow your medical records to be brought up if you aren't conscious. I know my dogs all have them.

If you have a tag on your ID, the government can effectively track you, because every shopping mall, school, mailbox, etc. can easily be outfitted with a scanner. By combining the pings on all the scanners they can track your movements in near real-time. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to come up with creative ways this can be used to enslave a population.

Also, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." You would be wise to contemplate these words.

They don't have wifi transmitters in them. You can't scan them from any kind of distance, you have to have the scanner directly over it. You guys have to stop reading Orwell and pick up a Scientific American.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

They don't have wifi transmitters in them. You can't scan them from any kind of distance, you have to have the scanner directly over it. You guys have to stop reading Orwell and pick up a Scientific American.

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Originally Posted by malac

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Good argument. You mean something like this? http://www.iautomate.com/r500sp.html

450 feet? You know that's not the same type of RIFD that comes in a chip right? That might be able to read one of those chips that you wear when you run a marathon or the ones worn for house arrest.

They make RIFD chips with even longer range than that, FastPass is an RIFD

Those aren't the same type of chips that are implanted into my dogs. That's like comparing a magnetron gun to a microwave oven.

LO FUCKING L.

Anyone rember Ident-I-Eeze from The H2G2? xD

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

LO FUCKING L.

Anyone rember Ident-I-Eeze from The H2G2? xD

Anyone remember that goodbye thread you started in the lounge?

Uh, link?

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Anyone remember that goodbye thread you started in the lounge?

SO owned haha...

Originally Posted by ninja9578

They don't have wifi transmitters in them. You can't scan them from any kind of distance, you have to have the scanner directly over it. You guys have to stop reading Orwell and pick up a Scientific American.

I find this extremely ironic considering SciAm just did an article about how American RFIDs can be read with any scanner from up to 30 feet.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...-could-be-used

Most new credit cards already have RFID in them. I was slightly surprised to find that mine do. Chipped cards usually have a radiowave like symbol on the back, along with trademarks like "blink" or "paypass". You can also see the location of the chip if you look at the reflection of light off the back of the card. There will be a small square "disturbance" in the card's surface on the right hand side of the card's back.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

If you have a tag on your ID, the government can effectively track you, because every shopping mall, school, mailbox, etc. can easily be outfitted with a scanner. By combining the pings on all the scanners they can track your movements in near real-time. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to come up with creative ways this can be used to enslave a population.

Also, I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." You would be wise to contemplate these words.

Have any of you fucktards heard of mobile phones?
Your position is being tracked in real-time, right now, as we speak.

Think a little before you decide you have something new to say.

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

Have any of you fucktards heard of mobile phones?
Your position is being tracked in real-time, right now, as we speak.

Think a little before you decide you have something new to say.

Even if cell phone companies were so inclined as to keep tabs on people, they are not answerable to the government, and hence it cannot be assumed that the government has those records, if they exist. Also, not being tracked by a cell phone is as easy as turning it off, whereas not being tracked by an RFID in your driver's license would require you to not have ID when you move about.

Some people need to stop being so serious...

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

Some people need to stop being so serious...

This coming from the guy that thinks the universe is the Matrix...

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Even if cell phone companies were so inclined as to keep tabs on people, they are not answerable to the government, and hence it cannot be assumed that the government has those records, if they exist. Also, not being tracked by a cell phone is as easy as turning it off, whereas not being tracked by an RFID in your driver's license would require you to not have ID when you move about.

im one to edge on the side of caution and do not play into paranoia but the government has full access to mobile and landline phones http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agN7S5Siy1o

(by the EFF and so funny)

They actually have a direct pipeline to AT&T. One of the largest in the world!

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Even if cell phone companies were so inclined as to keep tabs on people, they are not answerable to the government, and hence it cannot be assumed that the government has those records, if they exist. Also, not being tracked by a cell phone is as easy as turning it off, whereas not being tracked by an RFID in your driver's license would require you to not have ID when you move about.

This is stemming from the argument that the government could set up rfid scanners everywhere. It is much more feasible to set up a network of cell-phone trackers as they have a much greater range.
Line your wallet with tin foil and it becomes a faraday cage.
Also, who in their right mind would turn off their phone just to stop themselves being tracked? That would make the phone useless.

Really, who in their right mind would worry about being tracked by either their phone or their ID?

Originally Posted by adam has a dream

Line your wallet with tin foil and it becomes a faraday cage.

That's true. If you don't want to get tracked with your RFID (then why did you get one?) then any metal can block them. It's a simple law of physics, inside an enclosed metal object, net charge = 0. That will work with your phone too.

Aren't cell phone sim cards likened unto RFID chips? You can be traced anywhere if you have your cell phone with you.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Aren't cell phone sim cards likened unto RFID chips? You can be traced anywhere if you have your cell phone with you.

yeah, that's what happened in the latest harold and kumar movie.