Thread: Is suicide a cowar- should we eat meat?

Originally Posted by Temperamental

How do you know that you can live a sinful life and then go to heaven??? Doesn't God decide?

I think suicide is wrong all together. It depends, if you are an atheist or an agnostic, if you were then i guess suicide is just something on your to-do list, because if one fears no god, and has no god,then they have no true love or feelings towards anyone..no morals or beliefs, and if so its the "re-carnation" BS theory.. they will be selfish and decide to commit suicide, and not think how the ones around them are going to feel.

I think if they are deaf, and blind- you will eventually grow to love the environment around you, no matter what you cant hear or see, your going to view life in your own beautiful way that none of us will ever.

If all you feel is pain, i say you change the environment around you, don't be around the people who put all this negativeness energy around you, imagine life without this pain, how beautiful would it be?.. why commit suicide, there always is a chance you might break free from this pain?

You should meet dreamship.

http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=66523

Now that would be an interesting debate. According to him, christians are amoral; according to you, non christians are amoral. Well who's right? And why does everyone laugh at you guys?

Ah... linear thinking, those were the days.

Originally Posted by Neruo

jesus howie is as emo as a school bus crashing into a razor-blade factory.

huuuuh?

This discussion is almost immpossible to have both ways. Meaning one argument with a faith based mindset and one without. There is no middle ground to even consider.

Here is what I think:

It is selfish if you take others down with you. I mean, making people feel bad beforehand, or people who call others to tell them they're killing themselves with no intention of the act.

I can't tell you how many 3AM phone calls I've had from various friends/acquaintences.

I have also had many friends take their own lives... I wouldn't call them selfish.

Do I condone suicide? Hell no! I want my friends back.

But they did what they wanted to do, they were obviously in a place where they needed escape, and to them the only way out was through death.
"Death is inevitable. Suicide is optional."

Cherish the ones in your life... let them know they're not alone in this.

Originally Posted by Temperamental

How do you know that you can live a sinful life and then go to heaven??? Doesn't God decide?

I think suicide is wrong all together. It depends, if you are an atheist or an agnostic, if you were then i guess suicide is just something on your to-do list, because if one fears no god, and has no god,then they have no true love or feelings towards anyone..no morals or beliefs, and if so its the "re-carnation" BS theory.. they will be selfish and decide to commit suicide, and not think how the ones around them are going to feel.

I think if they are deaf, and blind- you will eventually grow to love the environment around you, no matter what you cant hear or see, your going to view life in your own beautiful way that none of us will ever.

If all you feel is pain, i say you change the environment around you, don't be around the people who put all this negativeness energy around you, imagine life without this pain, how beautiful would it be?.. why commit suicide, there always is a chance you might break free from this pain?

Two words:

KILL YOURSELF

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Sorry, but that PISSES me off.

Without GOD you have NO true LOVE or FEELINGS
towards anyone?

I love life. I don't believe in God. I respect religion,
I respect religious folk, I am always happy to listen
and learn about others beliefs... I simply do not
believe in anything in particular.

I don't have LOVE or FEELINGS towards anyone?
I didn't FEEL sad when six of my friends have killed themselves
5 have overdosed on drugs/alcohol, 1 died of hypothermia,
4 of cancer.

I DON'T FEEL ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T
BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD.

I didn't expect to get so frustrated in this post, and I
normally don't get offended. Except by ignorance.

Ignorance is a disease.
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Originally Posted by Howie

It's your life, is it your choice?

Hunters don't believe so. Toxicologists don't believe so. They kill without discretion. To me, suicide amounts to murder; you are evulsing a life that could have been joyous, given the opportunity and palatable circumstances.

It's not a problem most squirrels should face, I think. We understand, on our most primitive, subconscious level that life is a miracle that cannot be bestowed or taken away... it just is. In the world of humans, I've come to hear tales of murder and suicide... Those acts were taboo, unspeakable, unheard of to me: repulsive and disgusting and unforgivable. I can't imagine feeling so sad that I would want to take away my own personal miracle of life... The thought makes me shudder and cry a little bit for those who feel like they don't belong.

And Temperamental... T_T I don't understand what you are saying... I don't believe in God, but I care very much for every living thing I behold. Objects of life are beautiful to me, miraculous, and I love them. I feel overjoyed when I have the opportunity to help them, or make them happy. Ben and I fight sometimes, but we love each other. I'll always be there for him when he needs something soft to squeeze and he'll always be there for me, when I feel like the world is against me and all the fellow animals. You cannot know the pain I have endured, the pain the others endure every second of their lives because of people like you. And it saddens me greatly that somebody can be so distrustful of others, simply because they do not share identical beliefs.

I still love every one of you humans... but sometimes you confuse me so much...



~tamias

Originally Posted by Tamias.Squirrel

Hunters don't believe so. Toxicologists don't believe so. They kill without discretion. To me, suicide amounts to murder; you are evulsing a life that could have been joyous, given the opportunity and palatable circumstances.

It's not a problem most squirrels should face, I think. We understand, on our most primitive, subconscious level that life is a miracle that cannot be bestowed or taken away... it just is. In the world of humans, I've come to hear tales of murder and suicide... Those acts were taboo, unspeakable, unheard of to me: repulsive and disgusting and unforgivable. I can't imagine feeling so sad that I would want to take away my own personal miracle of life... The thought makes me shudder and cry a little bit for those who feel like they don't belong.

And Temperamental... T_T I don't understand what you are saying... I don't believe in God, but I care very much for every living thing I behold. Objects of life are beautiful to me, miraculous, and I love them. I feel overjoyed when I have the opportunity to help them, or make them happy. Ben and I fight sometimes, but we love each other. I'll always be there for him when he needs something soft to squeeze and he'll always be there for me, when I feel like the world is against me and all the fellow animals. You cannot know the pain I have endured, the pain the others endure every second of their lives because of people like you. And it saddens me greatly that somebody can be so distrustful of others, simply because they do not share identical beliefs.

I still love every one of you humans... but sometimes you confuse me so much...



~tamias

Oh, if only humans could think like squirrels do.

Suicide is only murder if you're muslim.

HIYO!

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Suicide is only murder if you're muslim.

HIYO!

Are you are comparing hunters to someone who commits suicide?
That entire thread made me feel very aware of the niavity of humans.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I'm glad someone has an adult sense of humor.

Originally Posted by Howie

Are you are comparing hunters to someone who commits suicide?

In a way. A human hunter somehow convinces himself that taking life is alright... Somehow, they justify it. They find excuses. One difference between a hunter and a suicide risk is that at least the suicide risk's excuses are grounded in real, tangible, emotional turmoil... where as the hunter's are just pathetic.

Taking life in all forms is wrong.
~tamias

P.S. That comic was pretty amusing.

Originally Posted by Tamias.Squirrel

.. where as the hunter's are just pathetic.

Or just hungry.

Originally Posted by Tamias.Squirrel

In a way. A human hunter somehow convinces himself that taking life is alright... Somehow, they justify it. They find excuses. One difference between a hunter and a suicide risk is that at least the suicide risk's excuses are grounded in real, tangible, emotional turmoil... where as the hunter's are just pathetic.

Taking life in all forms is wrong.
~tamias

P.S. That comic was pretty amusing.

It's called survival of the fittest. We're top of the food chain for a reason.

~nitsuJ

I really don't see how you can compare the 2. I'm a vegatarian, and personally I think hunters are the only ones who should be allowed to eat meat. If you wanna eat animals you should have to do the dirty work.

I agree that killing animals is completely unnesccisary(as is suicide), but some people are in a place where it looks right to them. Neither activity should be encouraged, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Like if I was stranded on an island with no food other than wild animals, I would find some way to survive off eating those animals.

Similarly if I was stranded on an island with kenny g and a saxaphone, I would probably commit suicide.

I'm sorry, I guess...

I don't feel very good... I'm just going to stay out of this thread from now on... It feels horrible

Originally Posted by stonedape

I really don't see how you can compare the 2. I'm a vegatarian, and personally I think hunters are the only ones who should be allowed to eat meat. If you wanna eat animals you should have to do the dirty work.

I agree that killing animals is completely unnesccisary(as is suicide), but some people are in a place where it looks right to them. Neither activity should be encouraged, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Like if I was stranded on an island with no food other than wild animals, I would find some way to survive off eating those animals.

Similarly if I was stranded on an island with kenny g and a saxaphone, I would probably commit suicide.

This post explains so much.

Originally Posted by Howie

Is suicide a selfish act?
It would seem that one pondering taking their own life would not consider other's feelings. This may not be the case. The may just want an escape from the hell they live, not wishing to hurt anyone in the process.

It's your life, is it your choice?

It doesn't matter. You are a mod. You can not die.

Well, I'm about as happy as I could ever be in this life, short of winning the powerball.

Yet, I'm not much of a fan of living in this life. I don't much care for the whole rat race of society. I'm not afraid to die, I look forward to the adventure.

I'm a spiritual person. I believe my existence here is part of a greater learning process that will benefit me far beyond the physical, enabling me to have a far richer experience than would otherwise be possible. Suicide would be a huge step backwards in that process.

Though, If I was somehow convinced that there is nothing more to existence.
And physical death is the absolute end.(which would never happen.)

I would consider this life a complete waste of my time, and I would make my departure from it an expedient one.

I don't think it's a cowardly act. Life should not be a prison camp for those that for whatever reason just want out. As others have said, it can be irresponsible, as when others depend heavily upon you and care enough about you that you'd be severely wounding them emotionally. But if it would hurt no one else like that, it should be allowed. No one should be forced to live if they really don't want to.

Originally Posted by stonedape

I really don't see how you can compare the 2. I'm a vegatarian, and personally I think hunters are the only ones who should be allowed to eat meat. If you wanna eat animals you should have to do the dirty work.

I agree that killing animals is completely unnesccisary(as is suicide), but some people are in a place where it looks right to them. Neither activity should be encouraged, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Like if I was stranded on an island with no food other than wild animals, I would find some way to survive off eating those animals.

Similarly if I was stranded on an island with kenny g and a saxaphone, I would probably commit suicide.

Killing animals is entirely necessary to eating them and surviving.

How do you think we got our large brains? By eating corn?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Killing animals is entirely necessary to eating them and surviving.

How do you think we got our large brains? By eating corn?

Fish don't count silly =P.

So eating animals makes you have a larger brain? I've never heard that.

If you mean you need a lot of protein for your brain to get bigger than ok. But it's really fucking easy to get enough protein without eating meat. Eating meat might have been neccisary in the past, but living in modern society you can easily eat a balanced diet without meat.

Running away from something is generally because of cowardice.

Running towards something demonstrates the complete opposite.

stonedape is technically correct. Ancient cultures didn't have peanut butter and similar foods. However, I do believe eating meat is a part of human heritage, just as eating veggies is. Sure, we can replace meat with peanuts or insects, but we can also reduce all our meals to a liter of protein-filled fluid that we drink through a straw.