Thread: So simple you will cry.

Originally Posted by tommo

Isn't that EXACTLY what it does? yes

No. Right now systems combine to form more complex systems which can be broken up into simpler systems or contine on, etc.

I meant that the universe isn't just a blob of energy that does nothing but contort. Systems react with each other and combine. They also break each other up, or do so spontaneously.

Yeh but if you look at it, everything is pretty simple. I spose it depends what level you're looking at. The way I see it everything is just atoms or whatever the smallest particle they have found is. But if you go up a level higher those particles interact in a complex way. A bit more simple again. etc.

Originally Posted by tommo

Yeh but if you look at it, everything is pretty simple. I spose it depends what level you're looking at. The way I see it everything is just atoms or whatever the smallest particle they have found is. But if you go up a level higher those particles interact in a complex way. A bit more simple again. etc.

Energy is as simple as you can get.

Everything is made of things that are made of things that are made of things that are made of things...that are made of energy.

Pfft, and what is energy?

The most basic unit of anything in the universe.

Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

It isn't.

It's as simple as you can possibly get.

Originally Posted by tommo

Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

It doesn't necessarily have to be made of anything. But in an infinite universe, doesn't it have to be infinitely divisible?

Atoms were once thought to be the smallest particle. Completely indivisible. Then, someone realized they could be broken up into particles called protons, neutrons, and electrons. Then we thought those were the most basic particles. Then, I believe we discovered they could be broken further(i think leptons and quarks?). As far as we know, energy can't be subdivided. That's what we said about everything else too, and look what happened!

Originally Posted by tommo

Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

energy is like a property of a system. saying what is energy made of is like saying what is length made of or something.

Thats why that equilibrium idea made sense. Consciousness and universe go together like a positive and negative charge. You can't have one without the other.

What if you have consciousness and no universe. Then you just have empty space. And vice-versa. Why? Because "nothing" can't perceive "something" and something can't perceive "nothing"

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I have a sneaking suspicion he sees balls of plasma ala Dragonball Z.

lol