So simple you will cry.

Every thing I say is based on the principle of balance(=). we see it in energy and we are energy so might as well follow.

Assume universe is Infinite. If the universe were infinite there would be no scientific CONSTANTS because there would be no numbers.

(=)By consciously assuming universe is infinite you will perceive that the universe is finite to balance.

Subconsciously you perceive the universe as infinite, every thing is possible in dreams. You assume the universe is finite though(unless you concentrate on flying or reversing gravity it wont happen, physical laws remain the same unless you interfere :/)

What is life? The question is not compatible, because life is both everything and nothing but there is no one term to describe every thing and nothing(yea try saying One, oh wait with one there must be -1 nice try dumbass).
Life is the answer. The question? Sex
The real questions: Who is asking the question? Your parents
Why? Why not(=)
how?Eye contact.
How is life nothing and everything?? The thought simply is. You think there for you are. They think simultaneously as they make eye contact and in there universe they don't hook up (there standards are too high), they never do. you dont even exist in your parents universe. But your universe is the light in between that eye contact, and they do hook up in your universe. No matter how improbable the chance that after the first eye contact is made they fuck(think of all the people you make eye contact with) and produce a child.
it will happen because the universe is infinite. Every fucking conscious being is developed this way, and the probability of consciousness? very^235687 low

Peoples minds are black holes... and white holes depending on sex (white holes are essentially black holes though depending on perspective (=)
the connection of the two during eyecontact = new universe derived from the past 2. (your life is a compatilation of the sounds and experiences shared from your parents)
Another secret? There are no cubes in this universe,( not even in music skip bsharp esharp) but that is all we perceive, that's why it is un-percivable with out DRUGS

and yes that which can be named is not the tao, but there is no wrong or right and believing that which has less logical fallacies could potentially lead to shift in polarity of thinking from neg to pos

Any mods wanna move this to senseless banter?

Seriously, What
The
Fuck
are you talking about?

As I read and rea my face just became more and more contorted with every word.
You seem to be talking to someone even though you are not responding to anyone.
Since you have written this down you can now go through it all and clarify.

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I may not have phrased it quite the same way but...yeah...what he said^. :wtf:

To me (and this is simply an observation, so please explain it better, if I'm wrong) it seems like you are taking the simple concept of equilibrium and balance and going waaaaaay left field with it - trying to use it to form explanations for things that just don't really make any sense.

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Peoples minds are black holes... and white holes depending on sex (white holes are essentially black holes though depending on perspective (=)

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What does the human mind have to do with a black hole? And how does a black hole = a "white hole" (whatever that means), "based on perspective?"

And you completely lost me on the whole parent thing. Saying "you don't even exist in your parents universe" and implying (at least in my interpretation) that whenever people make eye contact and think about sex, it's quantifiable as having actually, physically, happened. I just don't get any of that. I mean, I understand the possibility of a "multi-verse" (which is what I think you're trying to touch on), but I think you're going to have to explain your position a little better than you did.

I'm going to do that whole quote thing that people like to do here... This way I can broadcast what I got out of this.

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Peoples minds are black holes... and white holes depending on sex (white holes are essentially black holes though depending on perspective (=)
the connection of the two during eyecontact = new universe derived from the past 2. (your life is a compatilation of the sounds and experiences shared from your parents)
Another secret? There are no cubes in this universe,( not even in music skip bsharp esharp) but that is all we perceive, that's why it is un-percivable with out DRUGS

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Another secret? There are no cubes in this universe,( not even in music skip bsharp esharp) but that is all we perceive, that's why it is un-percivable with out DRUGS

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Please tell me his entire post was drug-induced. That would at least give him an excuse. :)

HAHA! I was actually thinking the same thing as Gestalt and sort of the same thing as Oneironaut but couldn't bring myself to think of a way to word it in a state of such utter.... something.

I get the whole negative, positive, polar opposite type thing completely. But

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Life is the answer. The question? Sex
The real questions: Who is asking the question? Your parents
Why? Why not(=)
how?Eye contact.

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Lost me entirely.
None of that fits together in a proper English sentence/paragraph.

I'm also uncertain why people think everything is balanced, like he said energy is balanced. ????

It's....so simple...


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It's....so simple...


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I LOL'ed. :chuckle:

I'm crying not because it's simple.

I'm crying because it's so damned confusing.

Edit: Ironically, I came to a similar conclusion the basic principles of life can be broken down into balances going through cycles. Left it at that, though. It's enough.

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LOL me too.
Just such a simple joke too.

I wouldn't say it's balances. Not at all. Just that there has to be an oppisite to something for it to have any meaning. Um.... that made no sens. Okay, say there is only black, you won't have any idea what black is unless there is something to compare it to; white.
That's what I think he was getting at and then went, yeh completely left wing as gestalt said.
Fuck it's late I PROMISED I wouldn't be up this late.

No, no stupid.

Everything is constantly becoming more and more complex, not seeking balance. If every system sought balance then the universe would be a stagnant pool of energy, evenly distributed through space.

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No, no stupid.

Everything is constantly becoming more and more complex, not seeking balance. If every system sought balance then the universe would be a stagnant pool of energy, evenly distributed through space.

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Yes but complex is relative, if the universe is infinite then complex is another term that simply means nothing.
You would perceive the universe is getting more complex because family lines(of every spiecies) keep growing and branching off but eventually the branching will slow as the conscious minds of the universe overcome this planet unconscious life(It is concious but on a much deeper scale, like gia status) and eventally concious will even die off from starvation + lack of oxygen(couple billion years later which means nothing because time is relative new unconcious life will start, but instead of oxygen and carbon it will be something diffrent, maby even in a gas state.)
What im really trying to show is that this multiverse is so "complex" that literally everytime there is interaction between members of the opposite sex there minds will "Click" and everyone of there potential children are born because there is infinite potential in each universe.
If the universe is infinite there is no fake or real, because everything is real just on a smaller scale, but small means nothing in an infinite universe so that which is thought simply is(You think therefore you are)
philosophers understand that true wisdom is understanding that they know nothing, This goes so deep that you dont even know if your parents really made you, or that there parents even made them. Life is just a contious series of thoughts and it dosent stop just because a "life ends", because if the universe is infinite there is no end or begining, its just a cycle of life and every animal plant and concious being is your own essence. You co exist with your ownself because time means nothing, you created your own universe by thinking.

Can I buy some pot off of you?

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I think you should be asking him for some Amanita Muscaria. Pot wont do the trick!

Normally if something is hard to understand then I am skeptical of criticism. Because I do not understand who am I to say how much validity an idea has. But I must agree, this seems to be coming from left field. Your ideas jump all over the place, with no real premise to back up the ideas.
Maybe if you could further elaborate on, well the entire thing... we could come closer to understanding your perspective.

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Yes but complex is relative, if the universe is infinite then complex is another term that simply means nothing.
You would perceive the universe is getting more complex because family lines(of every spiecies) keep growing and branching off but eventually the branching will slow as the conscious minds of the universe overcome this planet unconscious life(It is concious but on a much deeper scale, like gia status) and eventally concious will even die off from starvation + lack of oxygen(couple billion years later which means nothing because time is relative new unconcious life will start, but instead of oxygen and carbon it will be something diffrent, maby even in a gas state.)
What im really trying to show is that this multiverse is so "complex" that literally everytime there is interaction between members of the opposite sex there minds will "Click" and everyone of there potential children are born because there is infinite potential in each universe.
If the universe is infinite there is no fake or real, because everything is real just on a smaller scale, but small means nothing in an infinite universe so that which is thought simply is(You think therefore you are)
philosophers understand that true wisdom is understanding that they know nothing, This goes so deep that you dont even know if your parents really made you, or that there parents even made them. Life is just a contious series of thoughts and it dosent stop just because a "life ends", because if the universe is infinite there is no end or begining, its just a cycle of life and every animal plant and concious being is your own essence. You co exist with your ownself because time means nothing, you created your own universe by thinking.

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This isn't a philosophical statement, this is a fact.

Systems lean toward complexity. It is favoured. This is observable in chemistry, mathematics, physics, anywhere. Complexity is the amount of subsystems that you can break a system down into.

Life is an arbitrary label for autonomous molecules.

Complexity? I think you mean disorder.

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Complexity? I think you mean disorder.

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No, if disorder was favoured the universe would be a simple series of systems that did noting but collect and disperse.

But, disorder is favoured, isn't it? If I remember correctly, this is what Chemistry suggests.

Not sure what you mean by disorder.

I do know that in chemistry, complexity is definitely favoured, as molecules interact and change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

Which my chem prof talked about as the disorder in a system.

Entropy is the movement of heat across a system. How does this make diorder favorable? If anything, it would indicate that heat works like a fluid-- Actively moving from areas of high concentration to low concentration.

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Isn't that EXACTLY what it does? yes

We've gone from It's so simple :damnit:
To it's so complex :bang:
To it's so disordered :uhm:
Please try to at least figure out what Iminal is saying before offering other ideas on the subject.

I think I get what he is trying to say with no drugs attached. In fact I have entertained this idea before, but then decided it wasnt worth worrying about.

In layman's terms, he is simply saying if there is an infinite universe and infinite possibilities then every time a thought process between two beings happens, then every possible outcome happens in some universe. Like with the creating a child, a lot of times people decide right in the first meeting if they would sleep with the person...so if they dont, but still thought about it, in a different universe they do make the child. However, this causes a problem because then that means the universes contain different people who are not in every universe, I believe this would cause an imbalance, no?

There is no imbalance...

There is always one thing balancing out the other.

For example there is no rich, without the poor.

or

Imbalances in your perception of reality are balanced out by your subconciousness.

I'm not sure, if I understood the first post, either. You need a different way to translate your thoughts into a more convenient language. Use metaphors or imagery for example.

What is your point? That we know nothing?

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It's....so simple...


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hahaha :lol:

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I'm crying not because it's simple.

I'm crying because it's so damned confusing.

Edit: Ironically, I came to a similar conclusion the basic principles of life can be broken down into balances going through cycles. Left it at that, though. It's enough.

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I agree with you Kushna.

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Isn't that EXACTLY what it does? yes

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No. Right now systems combine to form more complex systems which can be broken up into simpler systems or contine on, etc.

I meant that the universe isn't just a blob of energy that does nothing but contort. Systems react with each other and combine. They also break each other up, or do so spontaneously.

Yeh but if you look at it, everything is pretty simple. I spose it depends what level you're looking at. The way I see it everything is just atoms or whatever the smallest particle they have found is. But if you go up a level higher those particles interact in a complex way. A bit more simple again. etc.

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Yeh but if you look at it, everything is pretty simple. I spose it depends what level you're looking at. The way I see it everything is just atoms or whatever the smallest particle they have found is. But if you go up a level higher those particles interact in a complex way. A bit more simple again. etc.

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Energy is as simple as you can get.

Everything is made of things that are made of things that are made of things that are made of things...that are made of energy.

Pfft, and what is energy?

The most basic unit of anything in the universe.

Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

It isn't.

It's as simple as you can possibly get.

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. It HAS to be made of something. I'll tell you. Protons and Neutrons.
Okay I have no idea if that's true, I'm trying to recall like 7th grade science but yeah.

pseudophilosophical pseudoscientific bullshit.

I think this post makes me cry =/

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That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. It HAS to be made of something. I'll tell you. Protons and Neutrons.
Okay I have no idea if that's true, I'm trying to recall like 7th grade science but yeah.

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What?

Protons and Neutrons are what make up Atoms you idiot.

Energy is the single simplest unit of everything. It is made of itself. THere is nothing that can be simpler than energy. It is neither created nor destroyed.

Yeh I know I was completely off the ball there.
Keep in mind I haven't done any science since year 9.
I was just thinking of that fact that they have an electric charge. lol

But it's true energy can't be the smallest. You haven't really defined what energy is in your mind. Show some proof of your claims.

So even though I'm not sure on a lot of things in this matter I can say for sure it's not the base of everything. For example, rubbing a balloon creates energy right? You don't just have energy on it's own. Which means something makes the energy. Which means it wouldn't exist without something else. Which means energy isn't the simplest unit.

First law of Thermodynamics. Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

When you rub a ballon across a piece of cloth, you are pushing atoms around, and changing the charge of that area on the balloon, since balloons are made of rubber and aren't conductive, that positive charge will stay in one place on the balloon rather than flow through it, thus creating a static charge.

You're just moving the electric charge from one palce of another.

And no, energy does not have an electric charge. Energy is simply energy. It is the simplest unit of everything, and it's probably almost infinitely small. It cannot be made, it cannot be destroyed, it is a constant, and all it can do is change form.

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What is life? The question is not compatible, because life is both everything and nothing but there is no one term to describe every thing and nothing(yea try saying One, oh wait with one there must be -1 nice try dumbass).*


Life is the answer. The question? Sex
The real questions: Who is asking the question? Your parents **

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**(lolz. I mean... wtf but lol.:D)
Did anyone else find this really funny or was that just me?
I gots a serious question. If everything in the universe is made of energy , why can't I power the t.v. with my fingers? :D

Not enough ENERGY!
lol it's a stupid concept.

I'm just trying to make the most of his stupidity.
He just keeps repeating the same thing, no proof.

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Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

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It doesn't necessarily have to be made of anything. But in an infinite universe, doesn't it have to be infinitely divisible?

Atoms were once thought to be the smallest particle. Completely indivisible. Then, someone realized they could be broken up into particles called protons, neutrons, and electrons. Then we thought those were the most basic particles. Then, I believe we discovered they could be broken further(i think leptons and quarks?). As far as we know, energy can't be subdivided. That's what we said about everything else too, and look what happened!

Lol I was just listening to Alan Watts talking about breaking down the atom. They thought it was the smallest then they got protons, neutrons and mesons.
Yeh, that's basically what I'm saying. They'll always find something smaller. I don't know what delusion people have in their head that makes them think every new discovery is the final.
Learn from history people.

Energy isn't a particle, though.

It is the most basic unit of everything. That is what it is. It breaks down into nothing.

That is the definition of energy, and it is measured in joules.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, thus it is the smallest unit of anything. You can't see energy, it is not a particle like an atom, or proton or quark.

Can't see energy? So what, everything is invisible then?

Of course you can see it. Maybe we don't have the tools necessary yet but we will. However I still don't really know what you're referring to as energy. So I'm kind of perplexed. do you mean, electricity? Energy that drives our bodies? what?

I don't care what the definition of it is, I'm sure the definition of atom 100 years ago was 'smallest particle in the universe.'

Buddha answered questions about infinity with silence. Trying to answer such questions makes it impossible to liberate the mind.

Can still explain it to people though.

There are no spheres in the universe either.
Oops.

In my mind there is :D

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Can't see energy? So what, everything is invisible then?

Of course you can see it. Maybe we don't have the tools necessary yet but we will. However I still don't really know what you're referring to as energy. So I'm kind of perplexed. do you mean, electricity? Energy that drives our bodies? what?

I don't care what the definition of it is, I'm sure the definition of atom 100 years ago was 'smallest particle in the universe.'

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No. Energy. Energy isn't a fucking particle. It's the most basic unit of anything and everything. Matter is a form of energy.

Energy can't be seen because it isn't matter, it doesn't have mass, and so only its effects on matter are visible. I.e. electriciy, heat, plasma

Hehe ok. Keep deluding yourself. :thumbup:

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Hehe ok. Keep deluding yourself. :thumbup:

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How am I deluding myself?

Energy isn't matter. It is energy. It is indivisble. This is a basic fact of physics.

No it's not. You keep saying the same thing over and over. It's not convincing anybody, especially yourself.

Universes are not made up of universes within universes, so in order for you to man up about a cube you would have to see it and tell someone that it was real and be the better person and shut up about it becuase there's really no such thing as "cubes" within the 'semi-atmosphere' within Earth bound territory.

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If everything in the universe is made of energy , why can't I power the t.v. with my fingers? :D

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You can if you have a device that can overcome the coulomb barrier and fuse the atoms in your finger, and have a way to convert the liberated energy into useful work.

As for the energy issue, it's pretty fucking simple. Things are made of atoms. Einstein showed us that mass is energy, so instead of saying atoms have mass, we can say that atoms have "energy". So hydrogen has X joules of energy. Now, if you break an atom up into smaller parts like protons and electrons, then they each have energies. And if you break those up, the smaller particles also have energies, and so on. So you see, to ask what energy is made of is quite literally as stupid as asking what the "meter" is made of. It's a unit of measure. What does it measure? Distance from thermal equilibrium, ability to do work, and any number of other equivalent definitions.

Well at least someone can explain it.
I realise what you all mean by energy now. However my point still stands that energy is, more probably than not, made of something else.

petersonad - no idea what you just said.

Thomas Alva Edison: "I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work."

Haha yeh Delphi just told me that I asked in the proverb a day thread. Oh well it's confirmed now thanx timothy

I was talking about the semi-atmosphere within Earth bound territory, supposedly. Basically a gay satanic fagot by the name of Adrian Hall who couldn't man up about his sexuality because no one cared to love him. Semi-atmospheres are soft satanic personalities instantly confused by nothing at all. Cubes are semi-circles within semi-circle which have no conclusion to them at all. That's why cubes in music aren't physical on Earth bound territory because there's no such thing at all. You skip b sharp and e sharp because it's only C natural and F . Sharps are not natural on earth bound territory because they are not physical to your eyelids, just only your etheric protein.

I only mention Adrian Hall becuase he's a good person and everyone should know who he is, Adrian Peterson which is me.

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Well at least someone can explain it.
I realise what you all mean by energy now. However my point still stands that energy is, more probably than not, made of something else.

petersonad - no idea what you just said.

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Thomas Alva Edison: "I have not failed. I've just found 10000 ways that won't work."

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Haha yeh Delphi just told me that I asked in the proverb a day thread. Oh well it's confirmed now thanx timothy

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Oh wait, what the hell!?

I totally thought I was replying to another thread about a certain LD technique, my bad. I mentioned that quote but I didn't no exactly what it was then you said it in here. hm

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Well at least someone can explain it.
I realise what you all mean by energy now. However my point still stands that energy is, more probably than not, made of something else.

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No, you still don't get it. What are meters made of? What are degrees made of? What are liters made of? What are seconds made of? What are joules made of? Get it yet?

I get it perfectly. No reason that energy is the same.
It's obviously not just a way to measure something, since it's real.
Metres are just imaginary, you guys are saying energy is not.

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I get it perfectly. No reason that energy is the same.
It's obviously not just a way to measure something, since it's real.

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No, it's not "real" in the sense you mean. It's a unit of measure.

Upon reading this whole thread, my head feels like its about to explode.:shock:

Brb in two years when ive finished my basic physics course:banana:

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It's obviously not just a way to measure something, since it's real.
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Metres are just imaginary, you guys are saying energy is not.

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Metres aren't imaginary. They are units of measure to define length, a physical quality, an attribute to objects. We defined the metre. That's different from saying they are 'imaginary'.

Just like length, energy is an attribute to objects. It is 'the ability to do work'. What do we mean by that? When we pull an elastic band, we add energy to it: it has the ability to do work, namely, to snap back to its original length when we let it go.
It is a measurable ATTRIBUTE to things. It can't be broken down. Just like 'length' can't be broken down... What's smaller than 'length'... 'Breadth'?

I don't now what you mean with 'energy is real', though. Length is real. Energy is real. Of course it is real. The measure with which we measure it might be defined by us humans, but that doesn't change the fact that physical things have 'the long dimension', just like they have 'the ability to do work'

How do you define 'energy'? What do you see in your mind when I say 'energy'?

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I have a sneaking suspicion he sees balls of plasma ala Dragonball Z.

Well I thought you were using the other 'real'. As in, not just a word put to something as a way to measure things.

I wouldn't say measurements are real. I mean, you don't find inches lying around. That's just stupid.

It's in our heads that something is a meter, or a kilometer. So I guess you're saying energy is a way of measuring the force something has, right?
Then none of you are on the same page. Some are saying it's the smallest and some are saying it's just a measurement. Because what is that measurement based on?
The meter is based on the length of path traveled by light in a vacuum over whatever millionths of a second.
So what is energy based on?

What I was seeing was akin to an acid trip where you would see the infamous "everything is made of energy". Somehow I don't think you're talking about that same thing though.

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I have a sneaking suspicion he sees balls of plasma ala Dragonball Z.

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I was thinking the exact same thing :D. Oh well...

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It's in our heads that something is a meter, or a kilometer. So I guess you're saying energy is a way of measuring the force something has, right?
Then none of you are on the same page. Some are saying it's the smallest and some are saying it's just a measurement. Because what is that measurement based on?
The meter is based on the length of path traveled by light in a vacuum over whatever millionths of a second.
So what is energy based on?

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Nope... Energy isn't the measure. It is the measured. It is the quality that we measure, remember? Just like length. You can't say 'this chair is five lengths long'. You say 'the length of this chair is two metres'. Likewise, you can't say 'this system contains five energies'. In stead, you should say 'the energy this system contains is fifty thousand joules.'

So, you can't say we use 'energy' to measure the force something has. In fact: the two are unrelated in this context. It is true that energy is needed to exert a force, but apart from that, they're unrelated.
The amount of force is measured in Newtons. We have joules and calories to act as a measure for energy. We use those to define how much energy a system has, how much it can 'act', so to say.

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What I was seeing was akin to an acid trip where you would see the infamous "everything is made of energy".

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I thought so. :P

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Somehow I don't think you're talking about that same thing though.

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I guess... In any case, the definition of energy, of today's physics, is 'the ability to do work'. It doesn't matter what kind of work, heat, electric, kinetic, chemical, even the potential work it could do, it doesn't matter. That's what energy is.
The. Ability. To. Do. Work.
And the measure in which it is measured is the joule.


Lightning, fire, and all the stuff people usually see when they think of 'energy' is simply energy which matter contains working and interacting with the matter in a very complicated way.

For example: a halogen lightbulb.
When we add (electric) energy to the lightbulb, electrons in the gas atoms move faster, and are able to temporarily 'escape' into another orbital. However, they are quickly pulled back in. We are left with the energy that we used to 'excite' the electron with. And where does the energy then go to? It is released as a photon. A light-particle.
See picture: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...r-atom-PAR.svg)
The electron (green dot) is 'accelerated' and moves up to orbital n=3. But it is pulled back in to n=2. The energy used to initially move the electron from n=2 to n=3 is released (it has to go somewhere, right?), as a photon (the green wavy line).


I actually tried to look up exactly how that happens, why the energy is released as a photon and not as something else, how the photon is created from the energy, indeed, why the electron is pulled back to n=2 in the first place, but my brain exploded... I mean, seriously: "photons are absorbed in the time-reversed processes which correspond to those mentioned above"? Who the hell comes up with that? Major respect to all those geeks who figured that out. :bowdown:



Anyways... The reason people say 'energy is matter', is because matter is made out of subatomic particles, and because these subatomic particles are created through energy.
http://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdona...4/nytimes.html
Again, I tried to figure out myself how this exactly worked, but I gave up when I saw this:
"In physics, a quantum (plural: quanta) is an indivisible entity of a quantity that has the same units as the Planck constant and is related to both energy and momentum of elementary particles of matter (called fermions) and of photons and other bosons."

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Another secret? There are no cubes in this universe,( not even in music skip bsharp esharp) but that is all we perceive, that's why it is un-percivable with out DRUGS

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WHY DO YOU DENY TIME CUBE?!???

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Ahhhh no. I'm saying what is energy made of?

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energy is like a property of a system. saying what is energy made of is like saying what is length made of or something.

Thats why that equilibrium idea made sense. Consciousness and universe go together like a positive and negative charge. You can't have one without the other.

What if you have consciousness and no universe. Then you just have empty space. And vice-versa. Why? Because "nothing" can't perceive "something" and something can't perceive "nothing"

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I have a sneaking suspicion he sees balls of plasma ala Dragonball Z.

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Ok so you're taling about the energy like Einstein talked about. Paraphrased "Everything has energy, a (whatever) could power the Earth forever if we can figure out how to release it's energy".
Anyway, I'm kinda done talking about this now. lol. Nothing coming out of it and the OP had nothing to do with it anyway.

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I have a sneaking suspicion he sees balls of plasma ala Dragonball Z.

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Thats why that equilibrium idea made sense. Consciousness and universe go together like a positive and negative charge. You can't have one without the other.

What if you have consciousness and no universe. Then you just have empty space. And vice-versa. Why? Because "nothing" can't perceive "something" and something can't perceive "nothing"

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Don't you think it's a little arrogant to suggest that the "universe" needs "conciousness" to exist? So if the human race goes extinct every ceases to exist, or what?

No way.

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Entropy is the movement of heat across a system. How does this make diorder favorable? If anything, it would indicate that heat works like a fluid-- Actively moving from areas of high concentration to low concentration.

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I think you're confusing entropy with enthalpy. Entropy is a measure of disorder in a system. And at best any process can be reversible, meaning that no entropy is generated. But this is an ideal case, as energy is nearly always lost due to friction and other things, causing entropy (the disorder) to increase as the process happens. When something producing entropy happens, it cannot be run backwards (how do you reverse the effects of friction? You can't.) Heat does work like a fluid, and the measure of how much heat per mass something contains is called enthalpy.

Some say that entropy is the thermodynamic arrow of time, meaning that if as entropy increases, time also increases, so if you follow the path of increasing entropy, you are going forwards in time.

As time goes on, more disorder and chaos is created in the universe. This does seem a little weird, as systems tend to change from unstable configurations to stable ones. However the process by which all things change is what causes the disorder and chaos. If everything is assumed to at one time be in perfect order, yet has been constantly changing since then, it must be in a state of disorder.

Because things are created in unstable configurations all the time (through processes causing disorder), and everything that is created physically will eventually deteriorate (gradually lose energy and become more stable), each of which causing disorder, disorder is energetically favorable. The processes that occur all around us, all generate disorder, and occur all the time.

With a higher amount of energy, more structure, form, and order can be achieved. To lose any of this energy that is holding the system in such a complex, orderly form, will bring with it, a loss of order, in other words, increasing disorder.

Edit: I just realized there were 2 other pages of replies I hadn't yet read.

As for

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Ok so you're taling about the energy like Einstein talked about. Paraphrased "Everything has energy, a (whatever) could power the Earth forever if we can figure out how to release it's energy".

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Everything does have energy, but everything does not have infinite energy. Mass is related to energy by the well known equation e=mc^2, implying a finite amount of energy associated with mass. So even if we could figure out how to release all the energy something has, it would not power the earth forever. Unless you're considering things such as stars, which clearly have enough energy to power the earth for a very long time, but still, even the energy in a star, if completely used up, will not last forever.

There seems to be some confusion over what energy is, or how we perceive it, or something along those lines. I think people have these defined pretty well already however, so I have nothing to add.

A student of Zen once asked his master what the great secret is. The master put his shoe on his head.

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I think you're confusing entropy with enthalpy. Entropy is a measure of disorder in a system. And at best any process can be reversible, meaning that no entropy is generated. But this is an ideal case, as energy is nearly always lost due to friction and other things, causing entropy (the disorder) to increase as the process happens. When something producing entropy happens, it cannot be run backwards (how do you reverse the effects of friction? You can't.) Heat does work like a fluid, and the measure of how much heat per mass something contains is called enthalpy.

Some say that entropy is the thermodynamic arrow of time, meaning that if as entropy increases, time also increases, so if you follow the path of increasing entropy, you are going forwards in time.

As time goes on, more disorder and chaos is created in the universe. This does seem a little weird, as systems tend to change from unstable configurations to stable ones. However the process by which all things change is what causes the disorder and chaos. If everything is assumed to at one time be in perfect order, yet has been constantly changing since then, it must be in a state of disorder.

Because things are created in unstable configurations all the time (through processes causing disorder), and everything that is created physically will eventually deteriorate (gradually lose energy and become more stable), each of which causing disorder, disorder is energetically favorable. The processes that occur all around us, all generate disorder, and occur all the time.

With a higher amount of energy, more structure, form, and order can be achieved. To lose any of this energy that is holding the system in such a complex, orderly form, will bring with it, a loss of order, in other words, increasing disorder.

Edit: I just realized there were 2 other pages of replies I hadn't yet read.

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So then what's the ultimate result of this?

And you guys are sure this isn't a Mystic clone, right?

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Don't you think it's a little arrogant to suggest that the "universe" needs "conciousness" to exist? So if the human race goes extinct every ceases to exist, or what?

No way.

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yes everything exists. because it is human consciousness that creates the reality you live in.

How can the universe be, if no one can percieve or understand it.

Its the human consciousness that defines everything. Thoughts create reality.

If you couldn't think..what would you know what a tree looked like, or a flower smells like.

watch mind over matter video on youtube to get a better understanding of what i'm talking about.

People keep trying to discredit the video, but no one has been able to answer the measurement problem yet.

Religion, spirituality, science, are all starting to point to the same thing.

I'm not saying i completely believe the idea, I know it has some truth.

but its fun to think about.

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If you couldn't think..what would you know what a tree looked like, or a flower smells like.

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You wouldn't. That's the point.
You'd be dead. It really is that simple.

Exactly, but it doesn't mean the earth stops being.
It's still there, we just don't perceive it.
I personally think people are too blinded by the profundity of the statement 'if a tree falls in the woods and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?" to actually think about it logically. Of course it makes a sound, the sound waves are still there.
But if you define sound as sound waves that reach an ear, then there is no sound.

But in actuality that completely misses the point of the question which was posed in Zen Buddhism.

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But in actuality that completely misses the point of the question which was posed in Zen Buddhism.

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Which is?

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What? Is it top secret?

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What? Is it top secret?

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I just made a noise that could be described as a sigh.

Cool, Omicron get's it.

I don't have the luxury of having more than three brain cells, so why don't you explain it to me?

I almost cried. Don't know why though but it certainly wasn't because simplicity.

Everything leans to greater disorder naturally, but we have to use energy to balance the order and disorder.

3 brain cells, 3 usernames. Makes sense.

Lol jk. Although you have become a little trollish lately.

Holy crap look what I just found when I searched the word trollish because my dictionary in firefox didn't correct it! TROLL LANGUAGE!
http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.p...ic,5047.0.html

Anyway.
It's similar to what Universal Mind said.
There is no answer. If you try to answer you're just delaying enlightenment.
But that is a shitty explanation. Lacking.

Trollish? Why?
Because I want to know something?
When I do not understand something I ask people for explanations. There is nothing "trollish" about that.

In my opinion looking for answers is not "stupid or pointless", but the way to enlightenment.
I know that some questions will not be answered in my lifetime, or maybe never; but that doesn't mean that choose to be blind.

Life may be pointless, but is that a reason to commit suicide?
But anyway - we're off topic.

No just some posts I've seen you make seem more trollish than you usually are. Not really in this thread in particular. Just the 'what? is it top secret?' reminded me to say that.

I didn't say looking for answers is stupid or pointless. But it isn't the way to enlightenment.

Of course you can ask questions about why is the sky blue. For example. Curiosity is part of any living thing. But there is no point (going back to the question we were talking about) in trying to figure out the answer to the question 'if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound'.
Another example, Zen Buddhism rejected that one now, is say, 'How could you flip the rotation of the Earth using only your finger and a 1 inch piece of string'.

The average person will struggle and strain and come up with all these illogical scenarios, 'oh well, maybe I think they have found a way to .... bla bla'. They must find an answer.
When there isn't any.

You get the point now?

Yea, but I don't agree with it.
That's fine, right?

Perfectly.

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Trollish? Why?
Because I want to know something?
When I do not understand something I ask people for explanations. There is nothing "trollish" about that.

In my opinion looking for answers is not "stupid or pointless", but the way to enlightenment.
I know that some questions will not be answered in my lifetime, or maybe never; but that doesn't mean that choose to be blind.

Life may be pointless, but is that a reason to commit suicide?
But anyway - we're off topic.

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You get too upset. Calm down.