So simple you will cry.

**Sornaensis** · 01-06-2009 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Schmaven

I think you're confusing entropy with enthalpy. Entropy is a measure of disorder in a system. And at best any process can be reversible, meaning that no entropy is generated. But this is an ideal case, as energy is nearly always lost due to friction and other things, causing entropy (the disorder) to increase as the process happens. When something producing entropy happens, it cannot be run backwards (how do you reverse the effects of friction? You can't.) Heat does work like a fluid, and the measure of how much heat per mass something contains is called enthalpy.

Some say that entropy is the thermodynamic arrow of time, meaning that if as entropy increases, time also increases, so if you follow the path of increasing entropy, you are going forwards in time.

As time goes on, more disorder and chaos is created in the universe. This does seem a little weird, as systems tend to change from unstable configurations to stable ones. However the process by which all things change is what causes the disorder and chaos. If everything is assumed to at one time be in perfect order, yet has been constantly changing since then, it must be in a state of disorder.

Because things are created in unstable configurations all the time (through processes causing disorder), and everything that is created physically will eventually deteriorate (gradually lose energy and become more stable), each of which causing disorder, disorder is energetically favorable. The processes that occur all around us, all generate disorder, and occur all the time.

With a higher amount of energy, more structure, form, and order can be achieved. To lose any of this energy that is holding the system in such a complex, orderly form, will bring with it, a loss of order, in other words, increasing disorder.

Edit: I just realized there were 2 other pages of replies I hadn't yet read.

So then what's the ultimate result of this?

**Grod** · 01-06-2009 04:49 AM

And you guys are sure this isn't a Mystic clone, right?

**Kuhnada29** · 01-09-2009 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Don't you think it's a little arrogant to suggest that the "universe" needs "conciousness" to exist? So if the human race goes extinct every ceases to exist, or what?

No way.

yes everything exists. because it is human consciousness that creates the reality you live in.

How can the universe be, if no one can percieve or understand it.

Its the human consciousness that defines everything. Thoughts create reality.

If you couldn't think..what would you know what a tree looked like, or a flower smells like.

watch mind over matter video on youtube to get a better understanding of what i'm talking about.

People keep trying to discredit the video, but no one has been able to answer the measurement problem yet.

Religion, spirituality, science, are all starting to point to the same thing.

I'm not saying i completely believe the idea, I know it has some truth.

but its fun to think about.

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-10-2009 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

If you couldn't think..what would you know what a tree looked like, or a flower smells like.

You wouldn't. That's the point.
You'd be dead. It really is that simple.

**tommo** · 01-10-2009 12:36 PM

Exactly, but it doesn't mean the earth stops being.
It's still there, we just don't perceive it.
I personally think people are too blinded by the profundity of the statement 'if a tree falls in the woods and there's no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?" to actually think about it logically. Of course it makes a sound, the sound waves are still there.
But if you define sound as sound waves that reach an ear, then there is no sound.

But in actuality that completely misses the point of the question which was posed in Zen Buddhism.

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-10-2009 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by tommo

But in actuality that completely misses the point of the question which was posed in Zen Buddhism.

Which is?

**tommo** · 01-11-2009 02:03 AM

Which is, ----------------------------------

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-11-2009 02:23 AM

What? Is it top secret?

**Carôusoul** · 01-11-2009 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

What? Is it top secret?

I just made a noise that could be described as a sigh.

**tommo** · 01-11-2009 12:02 PM

Cool, Omicron get's it.

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-11-2009 12:22 PM

I don't have the luxury of having more than three brain cells, so why don't you explain it to me?

**Unelias** · 01-11-2009 12:38 PM

I almost cried. Don't know why though but it certainly wasn't because simplicity.

Everything leans to greater disorder naturally, but we have to use energy to balance the order and disorder.

**tommo** · 01-11-2009 01:44 PM

3 brain cells, 3 usernames. Makes sense.

Lol jk. Although you have become a little trollish lately.

Holy crap look what I just found when I searched the word trollish because my dictionary in firefox didn't correct it! TROLL LANGUAGE!
http://www.santharia.com/dev/index.p...ic,5047.0.html

Anyway.
It's similar to what Universal Mind said.
There is no answer. If you try to answer you're just delaying enlightenment.
But that is a shitty explanation. Lacking.

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-11-2009 02:17 PM

Trollish? Why?
Because I want to know something?
When I do not understand something I ask people for explanations. There is nothing "trollish" about that.

In my opinion looking for answers is not "stupid or pointless", but the way to enlightenment.
I know that some questions will not be answered in my lifetime, or maybe never; but that doesn't mean that choose to be blind.

Life may be pointless, but is that a reason to commit suicide?
But anyway - we're off topic.

**tommo** · 01-11-2009 04:00 PM

No just some posts I've seen you make seem more trollish than you usually are. Not really in this thread in particular. Just the 'what? is it top secret?' reminded me to say that.

I didn't say looking for answers is stupid or pointless. But it isn't the way to enlightenment.

Of course you can ask questions about why is the sky blue. For example. Curiosity is part of any living thing. But there is no point (going back to the question we were talking about) in trying to figure out the answer to the question 'if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound'.
Another example, Zen Buddhism rejected that one now, is say, 'How could you flip the rotation of the Earth using only your finger and a 1 inch piece of string'.

The average person will struggle and strain and come up with all these illogical scenarios, 'oh well, maybe I think they have found a way to .... bla bla'. They must find an answer.
When there isn't any.

You get the point now?

**Timothy Paradox** · 01-11-2009 08:12 PM

Yea, but I don't agree with it.
That's fine, right?

**tommo** · 01-12-2009 09:45 AM

Perfectly.

**Grod** · 01-13-2009 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Trollish? Why?
Because I want to know something?
When I do not understand something I ask people for explanations. There is nothing "trollish" about that.

In my opinion looking for answers is not "stupid or pointless", but the way to enlightenment.
I know that some questions will not be answered in my lifetime, or maybe never; but that doesn't mean that choose to be blind.

Life may be pointless, but is that a reason to commit suicide?
But anyway - we're off topic.

You get too upset. Calm down.

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