Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
What other type of freedom oriented government is there?
You know as well as I do that anyone of their own beliefs is under the impression that their government is the "best". In this respect, I suspect that most would say that they consider it "best" because they are free to judge it as "best". Hence, I highly doubt it is valid to say that someone out there is "against freedom". While we can argue political plateau's against one another, the thing is that "freedom" is closely tied to the benefits and ethics attached to government. This is the crux of political debate usually and why "terrorism" is so difficult to define because of it's obvious relative and subjective nature which is so commonly given a mask of truth.

Besides, Zarqawi and Bin Laden and the fellas settle for nothing short of a government run by the Koran, a kind of government where pretty much everything fun is illegal. That is hatred for freedom. Those people are clearly not fighting for freedom.

Read the answer to Q2 of this...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

Maybe the word "freedom" is not mentioned specifically in it, but it is freedom that he is speaking out against.
2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
He is saying that he wants to fight back - not fight freedom. I don't get your point here. It's almost as though you are really mis-representing what he is saying. He feels that he was attacked and his country offended, thus, he is attacking in turn.

We can debate about the political reasons and validity and shit but the point I am making here is that he is not saying "I hate freedom" or "I am against freedom".

Then I ask you the same question. What other type of freedom oriented government is there? If the people don't rule, they are not free. Do you disagree?
You realize you are just about to argue over politics and ethics? Come on, we both know that, even though it may make sense to you, there is obvious disagreement about many political plateau's. Also, no single government is "perfect" or "absolutely free" etc. etc.

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